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sexymama · 03-10-2004, 06:24 AM

As Lebell and I contemplated the purpose of God taking the form of man, in Jesus (and in my opinion, others as well) and choosing to die such a violent death, we came to some interesting thoughts. I'd like to hear what you think.

First, we talked in length about Jesus being the epitome of true love. His basic message is to love everyone as we love ourselves. To me, that means that we must love ourselves first. In this self-hating society, that can be a challenge. Even accepting a compliment is difficult for many people. IMHO, we must learn to love ourselves so that we are able to love others.

Why the violent death? That took a lot of contemplation. I just cannot buy into the idea that Jesus had to shed blood in order for our sins to be atoned. It seems way to barbaric to me. But obviously, Jesus had to be crucified for some reason; otherwise, why would he (if he is God incarnate) allow it to happen. I think the reason for the crucifixion was to show as that even in the worst of circumstances, there is hope. When we have love -- true love – and true faith, then any trial we face should present us with hope.

Personally, I believe we are all part of God and she (he) is part of all of us. We are called, not to judge, but to love! And in truly loving, we are given hope for a better life.

What are your thoughts on this?

03-10-2004, 06:24 AM	#1 (permalink)
sexymama My own person -- his by choice Location: Lebell's arms	Reason for the crucifixion As Lebell and I contemplated the purpose of God taking the form of man, in Jesus (and in my opinion, others as well) and choosing to die such a violent death, we came to some interesting thoughts. I'd like to hear what you think. First, we talked in length about Jesus being the epitome of true love. His basic message is to love everyone as we love ourselves. To me, that means that we must love ourselves first. In this self-hating society, that can be a challenge. Even accepting a compliment is difficult for many people. IMHO, we must learn to love ourselves so that we are able to love others. Why the violent death? That took a lot of contemplation. I just cannot buy into the idea that Jesus had to shed blood in order for our sins to be atoned. It seems way to barbaric to me. But obviously, Jesus had to be crucified for some reason; otherwise, why would he (if he is God incarnate) allow it to happen. I think the reason for the crucifixion was to show as that even in the worst of circumstances, there is hope. When we have love -- true love – and true faith, then any trial we face should present us with hope. Personally, I believe we are all part of God and she (he) is part of all of us. We are called, not to judge, but to love! And in truly loving, we are given hope for a better life. What are your thoughts on this? __________________ If you can go deeply into lovemaking, the ego disappears. That is the beauty of lovemaking, that it is another source of a glimpse of god It's not about being perfect; it's about developing some skill at managing imperfection.