I agree with what you said SM70, but like you said, there is alot more to it then really needs to be discussed. I just brought it up for people to roll over.. Altho, your latter definition of hell makes more sense to me, still the 'lack of presence of god' is there. Many people live their lives without the 'presence' of god, and according to your definition, would their lives be considered hell? Also, your 'selfless and selfish' labels sound a little biased toward christianity as a whole, as if one were agnostic they perhaps would not choose such labels to describe said people.
All in all, it makes sense to me, and I personally am still deciding on the difference between heaven and hell, perhaps we all goto the same place.. I am not sure.
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