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ziadel · 03-09-2005, 06:45 PM

I'm not gonna set this up at all... just watch it and tell me what ya think....

http://x3.putfile.com/videos/6608573980.wmv

Jackebear · 03-09-2005, 07:33 PM

Oh man....what an idiot, showing off a loaded gun in a classroom. He could have wounded or killed someone other than himself. That being said, he made a great point of showing how easily a gun can go off. I give him credit for continuing the speech...what a tough guy.

kinsaj · 03-09-2005, 07:34 PM

holy fuck... and he kept on going after that...
...at a loss for words.

Cylvre · 03-09-2005, 07:35 PM

"...and see, this is an unloaded gun."

Uh-huh...

ziadel · 03-09-2005, 08:20 PM

now, that was a .40 caliber weapon...

if he had shot himself in the leg with a .45, that little 'presentation' would have been over right then

The_Dunedan · 03-09-2005, 08:25 PM

Another one for Sarah Brady's "Only cops and soldiers should have handguns" file...

Cobalt_60 · 03-09-2005, 08:56 PM

Read about this in a news article but didn't know there was video on it. Yea that would be scary as hell. I would have started moving kids out of there after that accident.

Cylvre · 03-09-2005, 09:33 PM

The stupidest thing about it was how he immediatly called for the next, BIGGER gun... at least the kids had enough sense to shout at them to put it down. They didn't want to be the next ones to get shot...

aberkok · 03-09-2005, 09:37 PM

I don't understand. Did he shoot himself in the foot?

MiSo · 03-09-2005, 09:45 PM

guy is a freakin soldier!!!!!!
who else would keep going?

HARDCORE

thats all i got to say about that.

The_Dunedan · 03-09-2005, 10:41 PM

aberkok;
Yes, the idiot Fed not only shot himself in the foot/leg, he KEPT GOING!! This idiot ND'd into himself and then reached for ANOTHER weapon!! And to think, my stolen tax-dollars go to pay morons like this...

aberkok · 03-09-2005, 11:05 PM

Does anyone know/think it was staged? Was there a blank in the gun? As a few have mentioned, it sure got the point across how easy it is for those guns to go off. Maybe it was deliberate?

MSD · 03-09-2005, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Dunedan

Another one for Sarah Brady's "Only cops and soldiers should have handguns" file...

And her ... can't forget about her getting the CCP

Quote:

Originally Posted by aberkok

I don't understand. Did he shoot himself in the foot?

No, the leg.

OK, kids. Repeat after me:
"Always treat every gun as if it is loaded. Now you say it. Now say, 'Keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot.'"

03-10-2005, 06:10 AM

pffhhahahahaa... yeahhhh that's pretty funny. its especially funny that he said it wasn't loaded.

squirrelyburt · 03-10-2005, 07:28 AM

I've never heard of anyone who was shot with an ''unloaded'' gun before...

ziadel · 03-10-2005, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by squirrelyburt

I've never heard of anyone who was shot with an ''unloaded'' gun before...

theres no such thing as an 'unlaoded' gun

Gatorade Frost · 03-11-2005, 09:31 AM

This looks a bit like a fake. Does anyone have an article to go along with it?

ziadel · 03-11-2005, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Gatorade Frost

This looks a bit like a fake. Does anyone have an article to go along with it?

http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/336/dea.shtml

zampolit · 03-11-2005, 06:34 PM

Oh my god what a dumbass. Then he brings out a bigger gun. If I were in charge of that classroom I would have asked them to leave immediately.

whocarz · 03-11-2005, 11:04 PM

That guy quite obviously didn't know what the fuck he was doing. He shouldn't have drawn his own sidearm, instead, he should have had a non-firing presentation handgun. What does he need a real gun for? Not like the kids would be able to tell. I still have to give him respect for being such a tough fucker, continuing on like that after he shot himself. But it goes to prove that many times brains are better than brawn.

Gatorade Frost · 03-12-2005, 02:21 PM

I'd like to say that in all the years I've had cops come and talk to us they've used real working firearms in the demonstration. They were cops with the weapons they used everyday. There was only one time that they didn't have a working gun and the guy who was lecturing to us dealt with removing firing pins and disassembled and built guns for the department I guess for a living. I doubt it's out of the ordinary to have real guns with them.

ChrisJericho · 03-12-2005, 11:43 PM

Holy crap. Even though this guy completely screwed up, I'm sure everyone in that class will NEVER forget that presentation....

Stick · 03-13-2005, 12:31 AM

Fuck me dead. That guy's a moron. I wouldn't let him near a water pistol.

Exodus · 03-23-2005, 07:47 AM

I thought it was amusing that he said he was the only person in the room professional enough to have a handgun. Not 2 seconds later it goes off. Moron.

TexanAvenger · 03-23-2005, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by aberkok

Does anyone know/think it was staged? Was there a blank in the gun? As a few have mentioned, it sure got the point across how easy it is for those guns to go off. Maybe it was deliberate?

I doubt it was deliberate. It just seems like way too stupid a move to have been staged. What's more, what would have been the point? All it seemed to do was freak out the kids in the room and make them lose focus, not pay more attention.

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Originally Posted by ziadel

theres no such thing as an 'unlaoded' gun

There's such a thing as a gun without ammo in it, which is what he should've been showing off if he really thought that he needed to show off a real gun instead of a representation.

And where was dude's safety that he so easily shot himself? I know he works for the DEA, but are we sure he wasn't on something?

longbough · 03-23-2005, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by TexanAvenger

There's such a thing as a gun without ammo in it, which is what he should've been showing off if he really thought that he needed to show off a real gun instead of a representation.

You miss the point of that statement. The BASIC rules of gun safety are like the 10 Commandments:
1. Always assume a gun is loaded. That means things like chamber checking - even if your buddy removed the magazine and showed you an empty chamber prior to handing it to you.... That also means it should be pointed in a safe direction - even when "empty." - Neither of which the poor fella did.
2. Keep your finger off the trigger until you intend to shoot. So even in a "low ready" stance the finger is OFF the trigger.
3. Don't cover (point) at anything you don't intend to shoot. e.g. dark areas... etc.
4. Always be aware of what's behind your target (backstop).

I am impressed that he didn't start to pass out after getting shot - perhaps it wasn't his first time...

degrawj · 03-23-2005, 10:36 AM

"The gun went 'kerpow' because the dumbass had his booger hook on the bang switch."

whocarz · 03-24-2005, 01:00 AM

Oh man, that's classic degrawj.

Zeraph · 03-27-2005, 07:41 PM

I still think it may have been faked (even after reading the news article) because of the fact that he went on with the presentation, and most importantly didn't get fired.

The_Dunedan · 03-27-2005, 08:26 PM

Cops and Feds accidentally shoot themselves, civillians, and each other on a regular basis. Keepandbeararms.com has at least one story per week of a Negligent Discharge by one of the GovGoons. They're -NEVER- fired, just placed on "paid suspension" or some other name for what the rest of the world knows as "Paid Vacation."

Zeraph · 03-28-2005, 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The_Dunedan

Cops and Feds accidentally shoot themselves, civillians, and each other on a regular basis. Keepandbeararms.com has at least one story per week of a Negligent Discharge by one of the GovGoons. They're -NEVER- fired, just placed on "paid suspension" or some other name for what the rest of the world knows as "Paid Vacation."

If that's true....wow.

The_Dunedan · 03-28-2005, 07:14 PM

What's even more frightening is this; the only thing they -do- seem to be able to consistantly hit is themselves!!

The nation-wide average, among all levels of Law Enforcement, for centre-of-mass hits on a full-size sillouette at 7 meters is a whopping 26%. LAPD is the high-scorer, at 74% ( as of last year ). Twenty-six percent. At 7 meters, with my .44, I shoot 95-100%. And I am hardly an exceptional shot. Cops just plain can't shoot.

izin · 03-29-2005, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TexanAvenger

And where was dude's safety that he so easily shot himself? I know he works for the DEA, but are we sure he wasn't on something?

Dunno if I missed your question completely or not but, I don't think Glocks have manual safeties. That was a Glock he was showing off wasn't it? Damn old eyes and poor video quality hehe.

The_Dunedan · 03-29-2005, 03:15 PM

Yah, 'twas a Glock. No manual safeties except the trigger-bar safety, which he had his finger on...

Moonduck · 03-29-2005, 10:45 PM

The Glock has the only safety any gun ever needs, and this jackhole obviously didn't have, safe gun-handling habits.

As to being surprised at him continuing the presentation, a few years ago, my Dad popped a .380 into his thigh on accident while in the car with my little brother. He took off his belt, wrapped around his thigh with my bro's shirt, and then calmly drove himself onto the local military base and to the hospital (Dad's a retired soldier). He goes into the emergency room and is chatting up one of the nurses when she finally asks him why he's there. My brother said that he'd never seen orderlies move so fast as when my Pop calmly told them that he'd shot himself in the leg.

Suffice to say that he didn't feel like a smart firearms user that day, and also suffice to say that I've given him a lot of ribbing over the years because of this incident.

Anyhoo, that video is something, and makes me wonder why my tax dollars go to support yahoos like this. Or, more to the point, why this scary gorilla was let out of the box to make a presentation when his hardcore bad-ass self should be doing quasi-legal druglab invasions in South America. Yay for the pointless waste of money and lives that si the war on drugs.

longbough · 04-07-2005, 09:14 AM

I wouldn't be so hard on cops. There are knuckeheads in any field. Don't let this guy convince you that all of them are like this.

Perhaps the reason why this goof was lecturing a classroom was because their better officers were appropriately assigned to be in the field. I wouldn't call him a "bad-ass" - just a knucklehead who should know the rules of basic gun-safety.

In all my years I had only one AD ("accidental discharge") of my weapon. That was when some lousy gunsmith botched the trigger-job and magazine disconnect of my BHP. I dropped the slide release and the hammer came forward with the slide! Naturally I had the gun pointed toward a safe spot on the ground (basic rule of safety) when the thing went BOOM!

So, unlike that poor soul, I still have all my toes.

Seer666 · 04-16-2005, 06:35 PM

HOly bloody hell. At least no one that mattered was hurt. DUmb ass.

scout · 04-18-2005, 06:42 PM

I vote staged all the way, even down to the news report. If he really shot himself with a .40 there woulda been a whole lotta blood not to mention dust or something from the wall because for him to still be standing it would have had to be a soft tissue wound. A .40 would ripped right through his soft tissue and bounced off the wall. It's gotta be staged.

The_Dunedan · 04-18-2005, 07:39 PM

The weapon was pointed at the floor, and any spatter or cratering would have been off-camera. Also, bullet wounds don't produce the gout of blood you see on TV; unless it's a headshot, the blood just leaks out ( or sprays if you hit an artery ) just like a bad cut. Exceptions, obviously, are frangible and high-velocity rifle bullets. A good hollowpoint might not even have exited his leg, depending upon the angle at which he was shot.

This tape's authentic. DEA has been in an uproar ever since, threatening to sue the camera operator for allegedly compromising the agent's identity.

longbough · 04-20-2005, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Dunedan

The weapon was pointed at the floor, and any spatter or cratering would have been off-camera. Also, bullet wounds don't produce the gout of blood you see on TV; unless it's a headshot, the blood just leaks out ( or sprays if you hit an artery ) just like a bad cut. Exceptions, obviously, are frangible and high-velocity rifle bullets. A good hollowpoint might not even have exited his leg, depending upon the angle at which he was shot.

Right. It ain't at all like TV.
Only open arterial bleeds can spray blood if at all. Frangible bullets aren't much different - I'd say a high powered rifle is probably a little more likely to leave an "open" channel prone to bleeding.

03-09-2005, 06:45 PM	#1 (permalink)
ziadel Myrmidon Location: In the twilight and mist.	oh my freaking god I'm not gonna set this up at all... just watch it and tell me what ya think.... http://x3.putfile.com/videos/6608573980.wmv __________________ Ron Paul '08 Vote for Freedom Go ahead and google Dr. Ron Paul. You'll like what you read.

03-09-2005, 07:33 PM	#2 (permalink)
Jackebear Insane	Oh man....what an idiot, showing off a loaded gun in a classroom. He could have wounded or killed someone other than himself. That being said, he made a great point of showing how easily a gun can go off. I give him credit for continuing the speech...what a tough guy. __________________ Life's jounney is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn-out shouting, "Holy sh*t! What a ride!" - unknown

03-09-2005, 07:34 PM	#3 (permalink)
kinsaj Psycho Location: somewhere out there	holy fuck... and he kept on going after that... ...at a loss for words. __________________ boom

03-09-2005, 08:20 PM	#5 (permalink)
ziadel Myrmidon Location: In the twilight and mist.	now, that was a .40 caliber weapon... if he had shot himself in the leg with a .45, that little 'presentation' would have been over right then __________________ Ron Paul '08 Vote for Freedom Go ahead and google Dr. Ron Paul. You'll like what you read.

03-09-2005, 09:37 PM	#9 (permalink)
aberkok “Wrong is right.” Location: toronto	I don't understand. Did he shoot himself in the foot? __________________ !check out my new blog! http://arkanamusic.wordpress.com Warden Gentiles: "It? Perfectly innocent. But I can see how, if our roles were reversed, I might have you beaten with a pillowcase full of batteries."

03-09-2005, 07:35 PM	#4 (permalink)
Cylvre Upright Location: Minnesota, USA	"...and see, this is an unloaded gun." Uh-huh...

03-09-2005, 08:25 PM	#6 (permalink)
The_Dunedan Junkie	Another one for Sarah Brady's "Only cops and soldiers should have handguns" file...

03-09-2005, 08:56 PM	#7 (permalink)
Cobalt_60 Addict	Read about this in a news article but didn't know there was video on it. Yea that would be scary as hell. I would have started moving kids out of there after that accident.

03-09-2005, 09:33 PM	#8 (permalink)
Cylvre Upright Location: Minnesota, USA	The stupidest thing about it was how he immediatly called for the next, BIGGER gun... at least the kids had enough sense to shout at them to put it down. They didn't want to be the next ones to get shot...

03-09-2005, 09:45 PM	#10 (permalink)
MiSo Psycho	guy is a freakin soldier!!!!!! who else would keep going? HARDCORE thats all i got to say about that.

03-09-2005, 10:41 PM	#11 (permalink)
The_Dunedan Junkie	aberkok; Yes, the idiot Fed not only shot himself in the foot/leg, he KEPT GOING!! This idiot ND'd into himself and then reached for ANOTHER weapon!! And to think, my stolen tax-dollars go to pay morons like this...

03-09-2005, 11:05 PM	#12 (permalink)
aberkok “Wrong is right.” Location: toronto	Does anyone know/think it was staged? Was there a blank in the gun? As a few have mentioned, it sure got the point across how easy it is for those guns to go off. Maybe it was deliberate? __________________ !check out my new blog! http://arkanamusic.wordpress.com Warden Gentiles: "It? Perfectly innocent. But I can see how, if our roles were reversed, I might have you beaten with a pillowcase full of batteries."

03-10-2005, 06:10 AM	#14 (permalink)
kitsune Guest	pffhhahahahaa... yeahhhh that's pretty funny. its especially funny that he said it wasn't loaded.

03-10-2005, 07:28 AM	#15 (permalink)
squirrelyburt Crazy Location: Central Wisconsin	I've never heard of anyone who was shot with an ''unloaded'' gun before... __________________ If you've ever felt there was a reason to be afraid of the dark, you were right.

03-11-2005, 09:31 AM	#17 (permalink)
Gatorade Frost Rookie	This looks a bit like a fake. Does anyone have an article to go along with it?

03-11-2005, 06:34 PM	#19 (permalink)
zampolit Upright Location: denial	Oh my god what a dumbass. Then he brings out a bigger gun. If I were in charge of that classroom I would have asked them to leave immediately. __________________ Nothing is the way things are. -woo woo

03-11-2005, 11:04 PM	#20 (permalink)
whocarz Jarhead Location: Colorado	That guy quite obviously didn't know what the fuck he was doing. He shouldn't have drawn his own sidearm, instead, he should have had a non-firing presentation handgun. What does he need a real gun for? Not like the kids would be able to tell. I still have to give him respect for being such a tough fucker, continuing on like that after he shot himself. But it goes to prove that many times brains are better than brawn. __________________ If there exists anything mightier than destiny, then it is the courage to face destiny unflinchingly. -Geibel Despise not death, but welcome it, for nature wills it like all else. -Marcus Aurelius Come on, you sons of bitches! Do you want to live forever? -GySgt. Daniel J. "Dan" Daly

03-12-2005, 02:21 PM	#21 (permalink)
Gatorade Frost Rookie	I'd like to say that in all the years I've had cops come and talk to us they've used real working firearms in the demonstration. They were cops with the weapons they used everyday. There was only one time that they didn't have a working gun and the guy who was lecturing to us dealt with removing firing pins and disassembled and built guns for the department I guess for a living. I doubt it's out of the ordinary to have real guns with them.

03-12-2005, 11:43 PM	#22 (permalink)
ChrisJericho eat more fruit Location: Seattle	Holy crap. Even though this guy completely screwed up, I'm sure everyone in that class will NEVER forget that presentation.... __________________ "A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows us that faith proves nothing." - Friedrich Nietzsche

03-13-2005, 12:31 AM	#23 (permalink)
Stick Psycho Location: Sydney, Australia	Fuck me dead. That guy's a moron. I wouldn't let him near a water pistol. __________________ ominous adj. Menacing; threatening. Of or being an omen, especially an evil one.

03-23-2005, 07:47 AM	#24 (permalink)
Exodus Psycho	I thought it was amusing that he said he was the only person in the room professional enough to have a handgun. Not 2 seconds later it goes off. Moron.

03-23-2005, 10:36 AM	#27 (permalink)
degrawj I'm still waiting... Location: West Linn, OR	"The gun went 'kerpow' because the dumbass had his booger hook on the bang switch."

03-24-2005, 01:00 AM	#28 (permalink)
whocarz Jarhead Location: Colorado	Oh man, that's classic degrawj. __________________ If there exists anything mightier than destiny, then it is the courage to face destiny unflinchingly. -Geibel Despise not death, but welcome it, for nature wills it like all else. -Marcus Aurelius Come on, you sons of bitches! Do you want to live forever? -GySgt. Daniel J. "Dan" Daly

03-27-2005, 07:41 PM	#29 (permalink)
Zeraph Banned Location: The Cosmos	I still think it may have been faked (even after reading the news article) because of the fact that he went on with the presentation, and most importantly didn't get fired.

03-27-2005, 08:26 PM	#30 (permalink)
The_Dunedan Junkie	Cops and Feds accidentally shoot themselves, civillians, and each other on a regular basis. Keepandbeararms.com has at least one story per week of a Negligent Discharge by one of the GovGoons. They're -NEVER- fired, just placed on "paid suspension" or some other name for what the rest of the world knows as "Paid Vacation."

03-28-2005, 07:14 PM	#32 (permalink)
The_Dunedan Junkie	What's even more frightening is this; the only thing they -do- seem to be able to consistantly hit is themselves!! The nation-wide average, among all levels of Law Enforcement, for centre-of-mass hits on a full-size sillouette at 7 meters is a whopping 26%. LAPD is the high-scorer, at 74% ( as of last year ). Twenty-six percent. At 7 meters, with my .44, I shoot 95-100%. And I am hardly an exceptional shot. Cops just plain can't shoot.

03-29-2005, 03:15 PM	#34 (permalink)
The_Dunedan Junkie	Yah, 'twas a Glock. No manual safeties except the trigger-bar safety, which he had his finger on...

03-29-2005, 10:45 PM	#35 (permalink)
Moonduck Junkie Location: SE USA	The Glock has the only safety any gun ever needs, and this jackhole obviously didn't have, safe gun-handling habits. As to being surprised at him continuing the presentation, a few years ago, my Dad popped a .380 into his thigh on accident while in the car with my little brother. He took off his belt, wrapped around his thigh with my bro's shirt, and then calmly drove himself onto the local military base and to the hospital (Dad's a retired soldier). He goes into the emergency room and is chatting up one of the nurses when she finally asks him why he's there. My brother said that he'd never seen orderlies move so fast as when my Pop calmly told them that he'd shot himself in the leg. Suffice to say that he didn't feel like a smart firearms user that day, and also suffice to say that I've given him a lot of ribbing over the years because of this incident. Anyhoo, that video is something, and makes me wonder why my tax dollars go to support yahoos like this. Or, more to the point, why this scary gorilla was let out of the box to make a presentation when his hardcore bad-ass self should be doing quasi-legal druglab invasions in South America. Yay for the pointless waste of money and lives that si the war on drugs.

04-07-2005, 09:14 AM	#36 (permalink)
longbough Soylent Green is people. Location: Northern California	I wouldn't be so hard on cops. There are knuckeheads in any field. Don't let this guy convince you that all of them are like this. Perhaps the reason why this goof was lecturing a classroom was because their better officers were appropriately assigned to be in the field. I wouldn't call him a "bad-ass" - just a knucklehead who should know the rules of basic gun-safety. In all my years I had only one AD ("accidental discharge") of my weapon. That was when some lousy gunsmith botched the trigger-job and magazine disconnect of my BHP. I dropped the slide release and the hammer came forward with the slide! Naturally I had the gun pointed toward a safe spot on the ground (basic rule of safety) when the thing went BOOM! So, unlike that poor soul, I still have all my toes.

04-16-2005, 06:35 PM	#37 (permalink)
Seer666 Oh dear God he breeded Location: Arizona	HOly bloody hell. At least no one that mattered was hurt. DUmb ass. __________________ Bad spellers of the world untie!!! I am the one you warned me of I seem to have misplaced the bullet with your name on it, but I have a whole box addressed to occupant.

04-18-2005, 06:42 PM	#38 (permalink)
scout Psycho	I vote staged all the way, even down to the news report. If he really shot himself with a .40 there woulda been a whole lotta blood not to mention dust or something from the wall because for him to still be standing it would have had to be a soft tissue wound. A .40 would ripped right through his soft tissue and bounced off the wall. It's gotta be staged.

04-18-2005, 07:39 PM	#39 (permalink)
The_Dunedan Junkie	The weapon was pointed at the floor, and any spatter or cratering would have been off-camera. Also, bullet wounds don't produce the gout of blood you see on TV; unless it's a headshot, the blood just leaks out ( or sprays if you hit an artery ) just like a bad cut. Exceptions, obviously, are frangible and high-velocity rifle bullets. A good hollowpoint might not even have exited his leg, depending upon the angle at which he was shot. This tape's authentic. DEA has been in an uproar ever since, threatening to sue the camera operator for allegedly compromising the agent's identity.