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Rippley · 03-19-2004, 04:12 AM

A friend and I are thinking of taking up Escrima, and I figured I'd get the opinions of the TFP members, who are wise and knowledgeable on all things... So let me know what you know about Escrima

MSD · 03-19-2004, 04:07 PM

::blink, blink, ... blank stare::

theguyondacouch · 03-19-2004, 06:00 PM

its a martial art focusing on using two sticks, ussually around 24 inches long, to strike any of 12 points on the opponents body

drawerfixer · 03-19-2004, 06:24 PM

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Originally posted by MrSelfDestruct
::blink, blink, ... blank stare::

My thoughts exactly.

Perhaps you could provide some background information on the sport (??) yourself, Rippley, for the uninformed masses.

queedo · 03-19-2004, 08:47 PM

I took it a little when I was in college and I really enjoyed it. I wish I could find somebody in my area where they teach it. Go for it man you will love it.

shakran · 03-19-2004, 10:05 PM

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Originally posted by theguyondacouch
its a martial art focusing on using two sticks, ussually around 24 inches long, to strike any of 12 points on the opponents body

Actually, the real focus of the art is on the machete. For those who are giving blank stares, you may have heard of it referred to as arnis or kali as well. It's a Filipino martial art, and it's effective as holy hell. You train with, as mentioned, bamboo sticks, mainly to keep you from cutting each other's hands off. The art will teach you to effectively use a stick, a knife, a machete, a bottle, pretty much any weapon you pick up.

And you are not focusing on 12 points on the body. You are focusing on 12 angles of attack. Basically attacks can only come from one of 12 angles (actually they really can only come from one of 9 angles. Angles 10, 11, and 12 are variations of angles 1, 2, and 5). An angle 1 can hit anywhere from the head to the ankle and still be an angle 1.

You do learn which points on the body to strike, but there are more like 107 really effective ones, not just 12

It can be somewhat difficult to find a pure kali school. They're certainly not readilly available in every city. A good clue: If they don't hand you a stick on your first lession, they're not a pure kali school.

I learned kali at a mixed-martial arts school. I tend to think this is actually better training than pure kali, as the other techniques I learned can flow to and from kali techniques to make a much more effective fighter.

Fire · 03-19-2004, 10:51 PM

Kali finishes- thats the motto of the kali style taught around here- and by that they mean a permanent finish, to any fight- this is not a happy smiley type of art- it is however, very damned effective- you can teach someone to effectively kill in five minutes with this style, and as shakran mentioned it works with a variety of weapons- overall rating imho it is effective, viscious, and easy to grasp the basics- (it of course takes much practice to master)
overall a great choice if you want something that works for defence in a brutal kinda way....

shakran · 03-20-2004, 06:54 AM

An interesting book to read is "Secrets of Kali's Illustrisimo." Illustrisimo is probably the most badassed kali practitioner ever. He grew up in the Filipines in a time when bar fights generally ended with someone getting beheaded. He was the one doing the beheadings. This book gives a good historical persepective, and will give you techniques - though for the techniques it's best if you've already been studying kali so you really understand what they're doing.

MooseMan3000 · 03-20-2004, 03:28 PM

I also learned kali at a mixed arts school (the man who started the school had taken 15 or so different forms of martial arts), and I agree that knowing other things made this much more effective for me. In addition to learning other techniques, I got a chance to explore other weapons and weapon styles. After trying many, I found that escrima just seemed to fit me, so I continued learning that. One of my best friends couldn't stand it, however, and he is learning katana now.

So... my advice is to look for a diversified school. You may find that escrima isn't the correct style for you. If you do, though, it's fun =D

Moonduck · 03-20-2004, 09:00 PM

I studied Kali-Silat along with a number of other forms as part of a JKD-offshoot group. As Shakran said, if you don't have a stick in hand on your first lesson, something is wrong. The only exception is if your teacher is truly hard-core and has you doing nothing but footwork drills on the triangle (or sticks, or whatever) for the first few lessons. The stick drills are great, the angles of attack very important, the footwork is what is truly awesome IMO.

Kali is probably a bit more close-in and bloody than the other two styles. Arnis De Mano (armor of the hand) being the longest range and concetrating classically on attacks to the extremities (the hand being the most obvious target), and Escrima being somewhat in between with a higher emphasis on two stick techniques. My kali-silat training was done with sticks, but we did as much training with knife length weapons and the majority of the drills were at trapping range. Very bloody-minded effective style.

Kewpie Dan · 03-20-2004, 11:16 PM

I've got nothing to add except that just learning it isn't going to make you the greatest fighter (if you're a good fighter, you're a good fighter, if you're a bad fighter, well...) but it's very useful.

like with any martial art, just make sure your teacher is legit, and you will do awesome.

Rippley · 03-22-2004, 03:43 AM

I apologise for the initial blank stares. Guess I just made the mistake of assuming it was general knowledge. My bad.

Thanks for the input so far guys. Hope to hear more

Going stick shopping this week

TheKak · 04-04-2004, 06:40 AM

IMO Kali-Silat/Escrima/Arnis should be a part of any good martial artists knowledge, at least the basics. Very effective if used properly, can grab common stuff lying around and use it just like the sticks you train with (rolled up magazines, broken chair legs, bottles, knives, machette, hell even a telephone with the cord ripped off would work). Can also have non-martial benefits, as it makes you practice being ambi-dextrous if you use 2 sticks, makes you use both sides of your brain more.

bermuDa · 04-15-2004, 11:31 PM

I've been learning a bit of eskrima at the end of my karate class every weekend for a couple months, and a few weeks ago I went to a seminar where the grand master of the doce pares multi-style came from the philippines to teach. He was very amiable and I learned a lot, I think I mentioned it in a journal entry a while back.

It's very fun to learn and effective as well, I want to spend more time on it now!

thejoker130 · 04-16-2004, 10:52 AM

From a historical standpoint the philipinos have had this fighting style around for hundreds of years and its pretty much remained unchanged. When Magelan (An explorer who set sail from portugal in an effort to sail around the world) landed in the philipines, he himself and a LARGE number of his solidiers didnt survive the encounter. So if Philipinos with sticks could wipe out hardend soldiers with armor that can give you some idea of how effective this style is

Kewpie Dan · 04-23-2004, 10:32 PM

damn skippy, Filipinos are awesome! (not that i'm biased or anything...hey, at least my screen name doesn't have "pinoy" in it)

shakran · 04-24-2004, 01:00 PM

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Originally posted by thejoker130
From a historical standpoint the philipinos have had this fighting style around for hundreds of years and its pretty much remained unchanged. When Magelan (An explorer who set sail from portugal in an effort to sail around the world) landed in the philipines, he himself and a LARGE number of his solidiers didnt survive the encounter. So if Philipinos with sticks could wipe out hardend soldiers with armor that can give you some idea of how effective this style is

Filipinos with large machetes actually, but the point is the same

Moonduck · 04-24-2004, 10:15 PM

One of the more interesting strikes we practiced and learned in Kali-Silat was an armpit strike. It is a nasty little thing where you duck past your opponent (remember that footwork thing I mentioned earlier?), and give him a short, sharp thrust to the armpit. It is surprisingly easy to hit once you practice, as the arm helps guide the blow in. There is a solid nerve cluster there, and it hurts like holy hell. It also tends to numb the arm a bit, and thus makes a follow-up disarm a lot easier.

Sounds like an odd thing until you get the history behind it. The strike was developed when fighting the Spaniards. They wore these beautiful Morion style breastplates (and Morion helms, bracers, leg guards, etc) that the Filipinos couldn't penetrate with their parangs (machete, sort of), but the Filipino fighters realized that the Spaniards wore nothing to protect their armpits. Many a Spaniard was quickly bled out by these thrusts, as that nerve cluster is also accompanied by a major artery.

I did mention that it's a bloody-minded form, right? =)

(Oh, and just to be nitpicky, Shakran said it is practiced with bamboo sticks waaay earlier in the thread. The sticks are actually rattan, MUCH better for fighting than bamboo as it does not plinter and crack like bamboo would, and has significantly more mass)

noahfor · 04-28-2004, 02:51 PM

doesn't someone on mortal kombat deadly alliance use this style?

shakran · 04-28-2004, 02:59 PM

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Oh, and just to be nitpicky, Shakran said it is practiced with bamboo sticks waaay earlier in the thread. The sticks are actually rattan, MUCH better for fighting than bamboo as it does not plinter and crack like bamboo would, and has significantly more mass

Actually it can be either one. Rattan is the better stick because it lasts longer, but it's also a LOT more expensive. And you CAN break rattan - I've done it enough times that I just get the damn bamboo now. I can get that for $10 a pair, so if I break it I won't be out so much money. And I tape the sticks too, which helps keep 'em from breaking.

I guess I'm just a cheap bastard

Moonduck · 04-28-2004, 09:11 PM

Never found rattan that expensive. And I would never say that rattan doesn't break, just that I find it much tougher than bamboo. I've never known anyone that uses bamboo, but that may just be my experience and what I've read...

shakran · 04-28-2004, 09:43 PM

Yeah, I know you're not saying it won't break. As for not expensive, the local MA supply stores want 30-40 for a pair of rattan sticks. If rattan lasted 4 times as long as bamboo, then it might make sense, but it doesn't (at least, not in my exp), so I go the cheap way out.

Come to think of it, I go the cheap way out on almost everything I buy when I can

Sojourner · 05-30-2004, 10:11 PM

Quick question: if one were to learn Escrima and identify the 12 angles of attack(and everything that correspondes with it) would it also increase the ability to ward off someone who used a stick/bottle/knife/whatever against you? Even if one was un-armed?

I'm a stickler for finding martial arts that also have "reverse" techniques that allow you to take out those who also incorporate the art.

TheKak · 05-31-2004, 05:59 AM

I can't speak for all classes, but in my class we do unarmed defenses agaisnt knife and stick attacks, I would think that most Kali/Escrima classes would.

Moonduck · 05-31-2004, 11:17 AM

Just about every single Kali technique we did was as applicable for stick, knife, and hand, and we went over the modifications needed to allow for each state. We learned disarms and such as well, but they were less "spiffy" technique-based disarms and more "attack your opponent's hand/wrist/weapon liek so, and he will lose control of it". It is a highly offensive art, almost constantly on the attack.

As to taking it to learn how to defend against it, I found that it is handy mostly because it will get you used to being on th wrong end of a stick or knife.

Gimli · 05-31-2004, 07:07 PM

Wow. Good luck to all of you who are attacked by armored Spaniards and drunk Filipino bottle-weilders.

And good luck on all your beheadings.

I'm assuming it's just a physical hobby or sport, right?

Sojourner · 06-01-2004, 04:39 PM

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Originally posted by Gimli
Wow. Good luck to all of you who are attacked by armored Spaniards and drunk Filipino bottle-weilders.

And good luck on all your beheadings.

I'm assuming it's just a physical hobby or sport, right?

Nah people use it for re-enactments of the Spanish-American war. I'd like to join the ranks and all you know?

Sojourner · 06-01-2004, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Moonduck
Just about every single Kali technique we did was as applicable for stick, knife, and hand, and we went over the modifications needed to allow for each state. We learned disarms and such as well, but they were less "spiffy" technique-based disarms and more "attack your opponent's hand/wrist/weapon liek so, and he will lose control of it". It is a highly offensive art, almost constantly on the attack.

As to taking it to learn how to defend against it, I found that it is handy mostly because it will get you used to being on th wrong end of a stick or knife.

Many thanks for the response. The greatest problem for most martial arts is they don't look at all angles (if someone were to attack you with something entirely different than what you know). Frankly Escrima would be best for the disarming factor alone considering many times any type of item may not be available to attack with.

shakran · 06-01-2004, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gimli
Wow. Good luck to all of you who are attacked by armored Spaniards and drunk Filipino bottle-weilders.

And good luck on all your beheadings.

I'm assuming it's just a physical hobby or sport, right?

Wrong. It's a real martial art. If you'll read a few posts up, you'll see that kali trains stickfighting as well.

Now, you're not gonna sit there and tell us you've never seen a stick outside are you?

MerKon4 · 06-01-2004, 10:00 PM

Escrima fighting can get very FKN brutal. Great to pick up as a weapons form. Prefer Kamas

GakFace · 06-03-2004, 11:18 AM

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Originally posted by shakran
I guess I'm just a cheap bastard

Oh, no, I put black electrical tape on my for the cool designs!!..

Yeah, it pretty amazing what taping them up does to them. ESPECIALLY if you train with them. I've had buddies take the tape off only for their sticks to just fall apart.

shakran · 06-03-2004, 01:33 PM

Been there, done that. My last broken pair - I grabbed 'em out of my bag, held one up and was joking around shaking it at my partner, and it just kinda started flopping over until it was a U-shape. Looked just like an old Chaplain film. Needless to say, I lost that match by default

im2smrt4u · 06-04-2004, 09:18 AM

If you are tired of breaking sticks, get a pair of F-sticks!

http://www.tadgear.com/edged%20tools/blair_stix.htm

He has even made them in Titanium before! Those are only for breaking bones!

GakFace · 06-05-2004, 12:09 AM

With straps at the end, it would seriously hamper any movements for any attacks or simply moving it around. They'd have to be pretty loose in order to swing that part into someone, wouldn' it? I mean if the straps are loose, whats the point? but if they're tight, then you'll have just limited part of the weapon, right?

im2smrt4u · 06-05-2004, 05:26 AM

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Originally posted by GakFace
With straps at the end, it would seriously hamper any movements for any attacks or simply moving it around. They'd have to be pretty loose in order to swing that part into someone, wouldn' it? I mean if the straps are loose, whats the point? but if they're tight, then you'll have just limited part of the weapon, right?

I don't own a set, but it looks to me that they would help retention without hindering movement. Have to try them and see.

Anyway, if you didn't like them, you could remove them.

shakran · 06-05-2004, 06:38 AM

if the normal ones are made from nylon injected with moly, they'd probably perform more like a sjambok, in which case they'd be very BAD for kali training. Those things will mess you up. We don't need to be maiming our students

im2smrt4u · 06-06-2004, 09:26 AM

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Originally posted by shakran
if the normal ones are made from nylon injected with moly, they'd probably perform more like a sjambok, in which case they'd be very BAD for kali training. Those things will mess you up. We don't need to be maiming our students

*shrug*

All I know is some people train with them. Maybe it's asking for trouble; I don't know.

Moonduck · 06-07-2004, 10:18 AM

I would not use them for training. Remember, in most Filipino MA schools, training is done against live opponents and, after practice, full-speed. Nylon stuff like this is not as predictable as rattan or bamboo, not to mention less forgiving a material.

Probably darned good for actual fighting, but for training, good old trusty rattan is still the material of choice for me.

bayd · 06-19-2004, 01:26 PM

Hey,
I've also been thinking about taking up Escrima. Anyone know where i could find a place in Oregon, hopefully in or around Portland, to learn this?

Nafter · 06-24-2004, 02:08 PM

Im taking this up next week with a few mates, the guy teaching us supposed to be "crazy" heh, should be good fun

03-19-2004, 04:12 AM	#1 (permalink)
Rippley Insane	Escrima A friend and I are thinking of taking up Escrima, and I figured I'd get the opinions of the TFP members, who are wise and knowledgeable on all things... So let me know what you know about Escrima __________________ roadrazer - 300kgs, 300hp = pure fun.

03-19-2004, 06:00 PM	#3 (permalink)
theguyondacouch salmon? Location: Outside Providence	its a martial art focusing on using two sticks, ussually around 24 inches long, to strike any of 12 points on the opponents body __________________ "Lick my frozen metal ass!"

03-19-2004, 08:47 PM	#5 (permalink)
queedo Shodan	I took it a little when I was in college and I really enjoyed it. I wish I could find somebody in my area where they teach it. Go for it man you will love it. __________________ If you think you can or you can't, you are right!

03-19-2004, 10:51 PM	#7 (permalink)
Fire Warrior Smith Location: missouri	Kali finishes- thats the motto of the kali style taught around here- and by that they mean a permanent finish, to any fight- this is not a happy smiley type of art- it is however, very damned effective- you can teach someone to effectively kill in five minutes with this style, and as shakran mentioned it works with a variety of weapons- overall rating imho it is effective, viscious, and easy to grasp the basics- (it of course takes much practice to master) overall a great choice if you want something that works for defence in a brutal kinda way.... __________________ Thought the harder, Heart the bolder, Mood the more as our might lessens

03-20-2004, 11:16 PM	#11 (permalink)
Kewpie Dan powered by the souls of dead warriors Location: In the rain, dying	I've got nothing to add except that just learning it isn't going to make you the greatest fighter (if you're a good fighter, you're a good fighter, if you're a bad fighter, well...) but it's very useful. like with any martial art, just make sure your teacher is legit, and you will do awesome. __________________ I'm so awesome I made your mom cry!

03-19-2004, 04:07 PM	#2 (permalink)
MSD The sky calls to us ... Super Moderator Location: CT	::blink, blink, ... blank stare::

03-20-2004, 06:54 AM	#8 (permalink)
shakran Tone.	An interesting book to read is "Secrets of Kali's Illustrisimo." Illustrisimo is probably the most badassed kali practitioner ever. He grew up in the Filipines in a time when bar fights generally ended with someone getting beheaded. He was the one doing the beheadings. This book gives a good historical persepective, and will give you techniques - though for the techniques it's best if you've already been studying kali so you really understand what they're doing.

03-20-2004, 03:28 PM	#9 (permalink)
MooseMan3000 wouldn't mind being a ninja. Location: Maine, the Other White State.	I also learned kali at a mixed arts school (the man who started the school had taken 15 or so different forms of martial arts), and I agree that knowing other things made this much more effective for me. In addition to learning other techniques, I got a chance to explore other weapons and weapon styles. After trying many, I found that escrima just seemed to fit me, so I continued learning that. One of my best friends couldn't stand it, however, and he is learning katana now. So... my advice is to look for a diversified school. You may find that escrima isn't the correct style for you. If you do, though, it's fun =D

03-20-2004, 09:00 PM	#10 (permalink)
Moonduck Junkie Location: SE USA	I studied Kali-Silat along with a number of other forms as part of a JKD-offshoot group. As Shakran said, if you don't have a stick in hand on your first lesson, something is wrong. The only exception is if your teacher is truly hard-core and has you doing nothing but footwork drills on the triangle (or sticks, or whatever) for the first few lessons. The stick drills are great, the angles of attack very important, the footwork is what is truly awesome IMO. Kali is probably a bit more close-in and bloody than the other two styles. Arnis De Mano (armor of the hand) being the longest range and concetrating classically on attacks to the extremities (the hand being the most obvious target), and Escrima being somewhat in between with a higher emphasis on two stick techniques. My kali-silat training was done with sticks, but we did as much training with knife length weapons and the majority of the drills were at trapping range. Very bloody-minded effective style.

03-22-2004, 03:43 AM	#12 (permalink)
Rippley Insane	I apologise for the initial blank stares. Guess I just made the mistake of assuming it was general knowledge. My bad. Thanks for the input so far guys. Hope to hear more Going stick shopping this week __________________ roadrazer - 300kgs, 300hp = pure fun.

04-04-2004, 06:40 AM	#13 (permalink)
TheKak Insane Location: Virginia	IMO Kali-Silat/Escrima/Arnis should be a part of any good martial artists knowledge, at least the basics. Very effective if used properly, can grab common stuff lying around and use it just like the sticks you train with (rolled up magazines, broken chair legs, bottles, knives, machette, hell even a telephone with the cord ripped off would work). Can also have non-martial benefits, as it makes you practice being ambi-dextrous if you use 2 sticks, makes you use both sides of your brain more. __________________ Roses are red, violets are blue, I'm a schizophrenic and so am I.

04-15-2004, 11:31 PM	#14 (permalink)
bermuDa don't ignore this--> Location: CA	I've been learning a bit of eskrima at the end of my karate class every weekend for a couple months, and a few weeks ago I went to a seminar where the grand master of the doce pares multi-style came from the philippines to teach. He was very amiable and I learned a lot, I think I mentioned it in a journal entry a while back. It's very fun to learn and effective as well, I want to spend more time on it now! __________________ I am the very model of a moderator gentleman.

04-16-2004, 10:52 AM	#15 (permalink)
thejoker130 Insane Location: slippery rock university AKA: The left ass cheek of the world	From a historical standpoint the philipinos have had this fighting style around for hundreds of years and its pretty much remained unchanged. When Magelan (An explorer who set sail from portugal in an effort to sail around the world) landed in the philipines, he himself and a LARGE number of his solidiers didnt survive the encounter. So if Philipinos with sticks could wipe out hardend soldiers with armor that can give you some idea of how effective this style is __________________ WHAT MORE CAN THE HARVEST HOPE FOR IF NOT FOR THE CARE OF THE REAPER MAN? ------------------------------------- I like you. When the world is mine your death will be quick and painless.

04-23-2004, 10:32 PM	#16 (permalink)
Kewpie Dan powered by the souls of dead warriors Location: In the rain, dying	damn skippy, Filipinos are awesome! (not that i'm biased or anything...hey, at least my screen name doesn't have "pinoy" in it) __________________ I'm so awesome I made your mom cry!

04-24-2004, 10:15 PM	#18 (permalink)
Moonduck Junkie Location: SE USA	One of the more interesting strikes we practiced and learned in Kali-Silat was an armpit strike. It is a nasty little thing where you duck past your opponent (remember that footwork thing I mentioned earlier?), and give him a short, sharp thrust to the armpit. It is surprisingly easy to hit once you practice, as the arm helps guide the blow in. There is a solid nerve cluster there, and it hurts like holy hell. It also tends to numb the arm a bit, and thus makes a follow-up disarm a lot easier. Sounds like an odd thing until you get the history behind it. The strike was developed when fighting the Spaniards. They wore these beautiful Morion style breastplates (and Morion helms, bracers, leg guards, etc) that the Filipinos couldn't penetrate with their parangs (machete, sort of), but the Filipino fighters realized that the Spaniards wore nothing to protect their armpits. Many a Spaniard was quickly bled out by these thrusts, as that nerve cluster is also accompanied by a major artery. I did mention that it's a bloody-minded form, right? =) (Oh, and just to be nitpicky, Shakran said it is practiced with bamboo sticks waaay earlier in the thread. The sticks are actually rattan, MUCH better for fighting than bamboo as it does not plinter and crack like bamboo would, and has significantly more mass)

04-28-2004, 02:51 PM	#19 (permalink)
noahfor Addict	doesn't someone on mortal kombat deadly alliance use this style?

04-28-2004, 09:11 PM	#21 (permalink)
Moonduck Junkie Location: SE USA	Never found rattan that expensive. And I would never say that rattan doesn't break, just that I find it much tougher than bamboo. I've never known anyone that uses bamboo, but that may just be my experience and what I've read...

04-28-2004, 09:43 PM	#22 (permalink)
shakran Tone.	Yeah, I know you're not saying it won't break. As for not expensive, the local MA supply stores want 30-40 for a pair of rattan sticks. If rattan lasted 4 times as long as bamboo, then it might make sense, but it doesn't (at least, not in my exp), so I go the cheap way out. Come to think of it, I go the cheap way out on almost everything I buy when I can

05-30-2004, 10:11 PM	#23 (permalink)
Sojourner Upright	Quick question: if one were to learn Escrima and identify the 12 angles of attack(and everything that correspondes with it) would it also increase the ability to ward off someone who used a stick/bottle/knife/whatever against you? Even if one was un-armed? I'm a stickler for finding martial arts that also have "reverse" techniques that allow you to take out those who also incorporate the art. __________________ Three passions, simple but overwhelmingly strong, have governed my life: the longing for love, the search for knowledge, and unbearable pity for the suffering of mankind. --Bertrand Russell

05-31-2004, 05:59 AM	#24 (permalink)
TheKak Insane Location: Virginia	I can't speak for all classes, but in my class we do unarmed defenses agaisnt knife and stick attacks, I would think that most Kali/Escrima classes would. __________________ Roses are red, violets are blue, I'm a schizophrenic and so am I.

05-31-2004, 11:17 AM	#25 (permalink)
Moonduck Junkie Location: SE USA	Just about every single Kali technique we did was as applicable for stick, knife, and hand, and we went over the modifications needed to allow for each state. We learned disarms and such as well, but they were less "spiffy" technique-based disarms and more "attack your opponent's hand/wrist/weapon liek so, and he will lose control of it". It is a highly offensive art, almost constantly on the attack. As to taking it to learn how to defend against it, I found that it is handy mostly because it will get you used to being on th wrong end of a stick or knife.

05-31-2004, 07:07 PM	#26 (permalink)
Gimli Loser	Wow. Good luck to all of you who are attacked by armored Spaniards and drunk Filipino bottle-weilders. And good luck on all your beheadings. I'm assuming it's just a physical hobby or sport, right?

06-01-2004, 10:00 PM	#30 (permalink)
MerKon4 Upright	Escrima fighting can get very FKN brutal. Great to pick up as a weapons form. Prefer Kamas __________________ yes

06-03-2004, 01:33 PM	#32 (permalink)
shakran Tone.	Been there, done that. My last broken pair - I grabbed 'em out of my bag, held one up and was joking around shaking it at my partner, and it just kinda started flopping over until it was a U-shape. Looked just like an old Chaplain film. Needless to say, I lost that match by default

06-04-2004, 09:18 AM	#33 (permalink)
im2smrt4u Beer Aficionado Location: Rancho Cucamonga, CA	If you are tired of breaking sticks, get a pair of F-sticks! http://www.tadgear.com/edged%20tools/blair_stix.htm He has even made them in Titanium before! Those are only for breaking bones! __________________ Starkizzer Fan Club - President & Founder

06-05-2004, 12:09 AM	#34 (permalink)
GakFace Go Ninja, Go Ninja Go!! Location: IN, USA	With straps at the end, it would seriously hamper any movements for any attacks or simply moving it around. They'd have to be pretty loose in order to swing that part into someone, wouldn' it? I mean if the straps are loose, whats the point? but if they're tight, then you'll have just limited part of the weapon, right? __________________ RoboBlaster: Welcome to the club! Not that I'm in the club. And there really isn'a a club in the first place. But if there was a club and if I was in it, I would definitely welcome you to it.

06-05-2004, 06:38 AM	#36 (permalink)
shakran Tone.	if the normal ones are made from nylon injected with moly, they'd probably perform more like a sjambok, in which case they'd be very BAD for kali training. Those things will mess you up. We don't need to be maiming our students

06-07-2004, 10:18 AM	#38 (permalink)
Moonduck Junkie Location: SE USA	I would not use them for training. Remember, in most Filipino MA schools, training is done against live opponents and, after practice, full-speed. Nylon stuff like this is not as predictable as rattan or bamboo, not to mention less forgiving a material. Probably darned good for actual fighting, but for training, good old trusty rattan is still the material of choice for me.

06-19-2004, 01:26 PM	#39 (permalink)
bayd Upright Location: Oregon	Hey, I've also been thinking about taking up Escrima. Anyone know where i could find a place in Oregon, hopefully in or around Portland, to learn this?

06-24-2004, 02:08 PM	#40 (permalink)
Nafter Insane Location: The Eng	Im taking this up next week with a few mates, the guy teaching us supposed to be "crazy" heh, should be good fun __________________ I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain."