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BoomTruck · 02-08-2004, 07:40 PM

One thing I learned from a DE (besides the proper way to manage recoil) is not to try hip shooting them. The way the brass ejects will attempt to put a rather warm case up your nose.

ChickenNinja · 02-09-2004, 12:14 AM

1-up!

By the way, the SIG P-229 is being adopted by the Memphis PD. I hear it's a great gun. The department tried a bunch of different guns, put about 3k-5k rounds through them, non-stop. (They had the rookies loading mags non-stop, too.) The P-229 was the only gun that didn't jam. Es good.

Dostoevsky · 02-09-2004, 09:11 AM

Asuka, I'll re-enter this thread to do my best to answer your question. The way it's been explained to me is that magnum cartridges don't feed well into Semi-Auto's (DE) because they were created with revolvers in mind and the overall length and shape of the magnum cartridge creates a bad angle through the feed-ramp and into the chamber. This bad angle creates a greater probabilty that a round will get stuck on the way into the chamber which creates more malfunctions (jams). This is why people say the DE is unreliable. It seems to be more a problem with attempting to fire revolver rounds through a semi-auto than a design/engineering type problem. That is how I understand it.

BoomTruck · 02-09-2004, 09:44 PM

There is a point to that, but it doesn't apply to the .50 AE, as it is a rebated-rim cartridge.

Most failure to feed- type problem in a DE can be attributed to underpowered ammo (they like a steady diet of full-house loads), weak mag springs (has caused me problems, the last 2 in a mag had trouble feeding), or limp-wristing it and not giving the slide something to work against.

I'm not saying they are perfect, mind you, but I also tire of people automatically decrying a .50 as useless.

whiskeybravo · 02-10-2004, 01:21 PM

colt 45

geeza · 02-21-2004, 08:36 AM

If you haven't shot one, a deagle might look cool. In practice it's just heavy, slow, and the most unreliable thing I have ever picked up (20% jam rate).

...it must have taken them ages to film the Guy Ritchie masterpiece "Snatch" just to get the bloody thing to fire properly!

Glock 23, thank you and good night.

KirStang · 02-23-2004, 12:52 PM

Beretta 92fs Love...

Other than that, i'd love to shoot a Desert Eagle...but it'll probably only be used for hunting

123dsa · 02-24-2004, 07:25 AM

The trigger mechanism in the DE .50 is very long and slow for my liking. I have handled several with work and fired one a few times. Honestly it's not my cup-o-tea, but then again I'm a .45acp fan and don't have much use for the new super $2 a shot revolver catridges. To each his/her (how pc of me) own though.

LSD

Serpent · 02-28-2004, 10:20 PM

I'd like a five seven, pretty good stopping power, and not too big.. too bad i don't have a grand to dish out for one.

CrazySaturn · 02-29-2004, 12:47 AM

A SF guy I know on another board just got a Five.seveN. Soooo sexy...

El_Borracho · 03-01-2004, 06:42 AM

For pure destructive power, I'd rather take the 500 S&W Magnum over the .50 DE. Plus I've always been partial to revolvers.

Asuka{eve} · 03-01-2004, 01:39 PM

Ive seen the S&W .50 cal in pitures only but even with that its a BEAST. The hunting model looks neato. Has anyone fired one?

opey99 · 03-23-2004, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Strange Famous
but seriously, if your aim is right, you dont need a second shot!

unless there are multiple attackers?!@

Exodus · 03-24-2004, 01:01 PM

I dont have my CCW.... yet. But my roommates do. When they went through the shooting part of the course their instructor brought out his DE .50. He had all the students work on double taps. It was damn near impossible to double tap with the DE. The recoil was nay impossible to control. Personally I would take a Glock 26. Accurate, reliable, controllable, concealable. Works for me.

Slims · 03-26-2004, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Strange Famous
Come on, look at the SIG P-229 (.40) that Powerclown posted. Yeah, it might be a good gun, but it looks so small and weak compared to the Desert E!

I mean, I can believe that some guns may jam, but I honestly have to say, inexpert that I am, the main Israeli arms manufacturer, of one the most technologically advanced military forces in the world, is not going to mass produce a gun that doesnt work. if you look after this piece I am sure it will work fine 99.9% of times, and its stopping power is off the hook.

Um, this gun is not used by the Israeli Military, at least not as far as I know. If you can find evidence that I am wrong then please post it.

Rather, the Desert Eagle is made for people like you, who want the biggest gun they can find. It is for civilians who either just want a toy, or are substituting.

It's a shame you live in England, because you probably will not have much opportunity to actually go fire a bunch of weapons and become proficient enough with them to form some educated opinions, but you can read some of the posts about this sort of thing on some of the gun forums.

For instance:

www.thehighroad.org

www.packing.org

www.thefiringline.com (this was shut down, but the posts are still archived for searches)

www.tacticalforums.org (I am not sure about the URL on this one)

Oh, and by the way, most handguns will go through a wall and still be able to kill...walls are not normally very good at stopping bullets.

Stilts · 03-30-2004, 08:08 AM

I've shot a .50 and the one thing that jumped out at me was the odd recoil. The gun comes straight back at you, then up. I didn't like shooting it at all. I'll stick to my .454.

bench41 · 03-31-2004, 06:23 PM

Glock 22

tkkfan · 04-05-2004, 07:50 AM

The DE is almost the stupidest gun ever made, empty its like 7lbs and the ejection port is on the TOP! The shells pop out right over your head and give you a nice forehead hickey if you're not wearing a hat.

Stupid gun. That being said, so is the S&W 500. Sure you can put a hole in almost anything, but where is the practicality? It would sure scare the shit out of someone tho.

Blistex · 04-05-2004, 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by tkkfan

Stupid gun. That being said, so is the S&W 500. Sure you can put a hole in almost anything, but where is the practicality? It would sure scare the shit out of someone tho.

The standard revolver is just so that they could reclaim the "biggest gun" award, the hunting varient is quickly becoming popular amongst big game hunters as a primary or backup weapon when dealing with dangerous game.

longbough · 10-06-2004, 07:44 PM

DE = poser crap hardware.

mkultra · 10-06-2004, 10:22 PM

Go with a Glock for the reliability. Pretty much all the police officer's I know (I have an uncle who's a sheriff) swear by them.

Anxst · 10-07-2004, 04:38 AM

For actual use, I'd go with a SIG P229 or P9S. Either of those or maybe a Glock 20.

If you want a huge handgun just for huge handgun sake, get a .454 Cassull.

arawn · 10-07-2004, 08:29 AM

Are we still talking about the freaking DE?

It's really not all that.

I've shot DEs in the 3 basic caliburs: 357mgm, 44mgm, and 50ae.

I have friends who boar hunt and predictably, they use only big bore pistols.
Really, I only found shooting the DE in 357mgm to be a pleasant experience.

The earlier statement about the pistol's popularity is fairly inaccurate. It is wholely a niche/novelty handgun. Soldiers do not use these pistols. Even without the reliable feeding issues the DE would not be a good choice for a combat handgun.

-they are too heavy and bulky (the same is true with the HK Mark 23)
-the ammo is too expensive and hard to find out of country
-parts and magazines are too hard to come by (again, out of country).

Any "popularity" enjoyed by the DE soley rests on the shoulders of the movie industry and video games.

As an aside: scary handgun? BFR from Magnum Research chambered in 4570gvt.

Cheers,
B.

(edited for irritating spelling errors)

NoSoup · 10-27-2004, 06:39 AM

I have fired a DE .50 and .357, and I'd have to say that I was very, very impressed with them. Of course, the weapon didn't malfunction at all while I was using it, but the accuracy of both is very high. With the .50 Cal, I was hitting a 6 inch by 6 inch target at 100 yards with relative ease.

The kick from both of them are actually pretty similar to a 9mm, I would imagine because the weapon is just so heavy. I would bet that you could be just as accurate with a quick 2nd shot from the DE than with a typical 9mm.

Just figured I'd throw that out there

ggadgit · 10-28-2004, 03:54 AM

Well I've owned several guns, colts, glocks, brownings, CZ's ect. If I had to have only one pistol, I would pick a .357 revolver, a sw 686 or 681, heavy frame, can handle any hot load you put through it, or any light load or .38 you want, not fancy but it just works.

Suave · 10-28-2004, 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Strange Famous

hey, Im really not going to get off topic anymore other than to say one more thing!

You talk about weapons, and Israel being pathetic other than what America gives them... who invented the atom bomb, basically the biggest most terrible weapon ever used... a Jewish guy. Fact!

And with all due respect, this forum, although I am sure it is full of knoledgable people on the subject, doesnt equal the international arms buying community... the Desert E is a good selling gun for a reason.

And no, Ive never been shot. yeah, a .45 would be the same, someone could shoot me wit a .22 and I would die if they hit me right, but could these guns bust through a wall or two and STILL kill me? doubtful!

Wasn't that Jewish guy a German? We're talking about countries here, not ethnic origins. I wouldn't be proud of inventing atomic weaponry either.

As far as the international arms buying community, there are thousands of "thugged out gangstaz" and uneducated rebel forces who would blow their load at the sight of a .50 cal pistol and buy it (maybe buy two and try shooting them akimbo

). Doesn't mean it's a good weapon.

I'll give the DE its props though; it's an awesome pistol to use in Counter-Strike.

Slims · 10-29-2004, 06:38 PM

I can't believe this is going to be my first post in months...(I just got internet again)

The Desert Eagle does exactly what it was designed to do....Look more macho than all the other "normal" handguns on the market and thus capture an entire segment of the population who purchases firearms (and fast cars too, perhaps) in order to present a badass image.

Blistex · 10-30-2004, 08:25 AM

Why is this thread still going on? The main topic question was answered correctly in the first three replies.

MSD · 10-30-2004, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blistex

Why is this thread still going on? The main topic question was answered correctly in the first three replies.

I think it's because someone resurrected it in order to troll. Look for the big jump in datestamps from one post to the next to find the troll.

Dostoevsky · 10-31-2004, 12:45 PM

Definitely a troll at this point...

Strange Famous · 10-31-2004, 02:43 PM

oh, I was just being patriotic. I dont really know anything about guns, but a gun that can shoot through a wall does sound kinda cool, dont you think?

Suave · 10-31-2004, 07:47 PM

Pretty much any gun can shoot through a wall. Hell, I've even shot a pellet from a mid-power pellet gun a good couple of centimetres into a solid wood wall.

Blistex · 11-01-2004, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Strange Famous

oh, I was just being patriotic. I dont really know anything about guns, but a gun that can shoot through a wall does sound kinda cool, dont you think?

You're being patriotic, over an Israeli weapon, but you're living in England?

What the hell am I missing?

If you know nothing about firearms then stop making rash statements like, "this is the best weapon there is because they made it in Israel, it can shoot through a wall, and it is used in every single gay-ass movie for angsty teens".

A tiny little .22 revolver that a 3yr old could swallow can shoot through a wall, plus it probably won't jam 1/100th as often or have horrible recoil.

Someone just ban this guy already! Given his grasp of reality it is obvious that he is too young, (thus he lied) when signing up for the TFP.

Draconis · 11-01-2004, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blistex

Given his grasp of reality it is obvious that he is too young.

People that say things like that are the same ones that sit lawn chairs and yell at 3rd graders to get off their grass.

Blistex · 11-02-2004, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Draconis

People that say things like that are the same ones that sit lawn chairs and yell at 3rd graders to get off their grass.

Interesting, since I don't remember ending the sentence there. Next time you intentionally misquote someone try and make sure it isn't directly below said quote.

Also why are you trying to defend this poser who starts a thread saying something is fact then later admits to knowing nothing about the subject? His rational is that the DE is made by jews, and a jewish guy helped to make the atomic bomb, therefore the DE is the best handgun you could own.

Tell me again this is a guy old enough to visit the Titty Board!

longbough · 11-03-2004, 09:20 AM

Amen to that.

MSD · 11-03-2004, 09:43 AM

This thread has lost its right to continued existance

Many thanks to longbough for resurrecting it to troll, and to Blistex for escalating the flaming.

02-08-2004, 07:40 PM	#41 (permalink)
BoomTruck Insane Location: On a gravel road rough enought to knock fillings out of teeth.	One thing I learned from a DE (besides the proper way to manage recoil) is not to try hip shooting them. The way the brass ejects will attempt to put a rather warm case up your nose. __________________ Judge me all you want, but keep the verdict to yourself.

02-09-2004, 12:14 AM	#42 (permalink)
ChickenNinja Crazy	1-up! By the way, the SIG P-229 is being adopted by the Memphis PD. I hear it's a great gun. The department tried a bunch of different guns, put about 3k-5k rounds through them, non-stop. (They had the rookies loading mags non-stop, too.) The P-229 was the only gun that didn't jam. Es good. __________________ Someday someone may kill you with your own gun, but they should have to beat you to death with it because it is empty. Last edited by ChickenNinja; 02-09-2004 at 12:18 AM..

02-09-2004, 09:11 AM	#43 (permalink)
Dostoevsky Psycho Location: Macon, GA	Asuka, I'll re-enter this thread to do my best to answer your question. The way it's been explained to me is that magnum cartridges don't feed well into Semi-Auto's (DE) because they were created with revolvers in mind and the overall length and shape of the magnum cartridge creates a bad angle through the feed-ramp and into the chamber. This bad angle creates a greater probabilty that a round will get stuck on the way into the chamber which creates more malfunctions (jams). This is why people say the DE is unreliable. It seems to be more a problem with attempting to fire revolver rounds through a semi-auto than a design/engineering type problem. That is how I understand it. __________________ Pride is the recognition of the fact that you are your own highest value and, like all of man’s values, it has to be earned. It is not advisable, James, to venture unsolicited opinions. You should spare yourself the embarrassing discovery of their exact value to your listener. Ayn Rand, Atlas Shrugged

02-09-2004, 09:44 PM	#44 (permalink)
BoomTruck Insane Location: On a gravel road rough enought to knock fillings out of teeth.	There is a point to that, but it doesn't apply to the .50 AE, as it is a rebated-rim cartridge. Most failure to feed- type problem in a DE can be attributed to underpowered ammo (they like a steady diet of full-house loads), weak mag springs (has caused me problems, the last 2 in a mag had trouble feeding), or limp-wristing it and not giving the slide something to work against. I'm not saying they are perfect, mind you, but I also tire of people automatically decrying a .50 as useless. __________________ Judge me all you want, but keep the verdict to yourself.

02-29-2004, 12:47 AM	#50 (permalink)
CrazySaturn Insane Location: Champaign, IL	A SF guy I know on another board just got a Five.seveN. Soooo sexy... __________________ What's the difference between you and a mallard with a cold? One's a sick duck...I can't remember how it ends, but your mother is a whore!

02-10-2004, 01:21 PM	#45 (permalink)
whiskeybravo Upright	colt 45

02-21-2004, 08:36 AM	#46 (permalink)
geeza Crazy	If you haven't shot one, a deagle might look cool. In practice it's just heavy, slow, and the most unreliable thing I have ever picked up (20% jam rate). ...it must have taken them ages to film the Guy Ritchie masterpiece "Snatch" just to get the bloody thing to fire properly! Glock 23, thank you and good night.

02-24-2004, 07:25 AM	#48 (permalink)
123dsa Crazy Location: KY	The trigger mechanism in the DE .50 is very long and slow for my liking. I have handled several with work and fired one a few times. Honestly it's not my cup-o-tea, but then again I'm a .45acp fan and don't have much use for the new super $2 a shot revolver catridges. To each his/her (how pc of me) own though. LSD

02-28-2004, 10:20 PM	#49 (permalink)
Serpent Insane Location: florida	I'd like a five seven, pretty good stopping power, and not too big.. too bad i don't have a grand to dish out for one.

03-01-2004, 06:42 AM	#51 (permalink)
El_Borracho Upright Location: Wherever I am	For pure destructive power, I'd rather take the 500 S&W Magnum over the .50 DE. Plus I've always been partial to revolvers. __________________ "There are no stupd questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots."

03-01-2004, 01:39 PM	#52 (permalink)
Asuka{eve} Addict Location: Oh God, the rain!	Ive seen the S&W .50 cal in pitures only but even with that its a BEAST. The hunting model looks neato. Has anyone fired one?

03-24-2004, 01:01 PM	#54 (permalink)
Exodus Psycho	I dont have my CCW.... yet. But my roommates do. When they went through the shooting part of the course their instructor brought out his DE .50. He had all the students work on double taps. It was damn near impossible to double tap with the DE. The recoil was nay impossible to control. Personally I would take a Glock 26. Accurate, reliable, controllable, concealable. Works for me.

03-30-2004, 08:08 AM	#56 (permalink)
Stilts Tilted	I've shot a .50 and the one thing that jumped out at me was the odd recoil. The gun comes straight back at you, then up. I didn't like shooting it at all. I'll stick to my .454.

03-31-2004, 06:23 PM	#57 (permalink)
bench41 Psycho	Glock 22

04-05-2004, 07:50 AM	#58 (permalink)
tkkfan Insane Location: Flying over your house	The DE is almost the stupidest gun ever made, empty its like 7lbs and the ejection port is on the TOP! The shells pop out right over your head and give you a nice forehead hickey if you're not wearing a hat. Stupid gun. That being said, so is the S&W 500. Sure you can put a hole in almost anything, but where is the practicality? It would sure scare the shit out of someone tho. __________________ I can't believe I ate the whole thing!

10-06-2004, 07:44 PM	#60 (permalink)
longbough Soylent Green is people. Location: Northern California	DE = poser crap hardware.

10-06-2004, 10:22 PM	#61 (permalink)
mkultra Crazy Location: Wylds of the Western Reserve	Go with a Glock for the reliability. Pretty much all the police officer's I know (I have an uncle who's a sheriff) swear by them.

10-07-2004, 04:38 AM	#62 (permalink)
Anxst Condensing fact from the vapor of nuance. Location: Madison, WI	For actual use, I'd go with a SIG P229 or P9S. Either of those or maybe a Glock 20. If you want a huge handgun just for huge handgun sake, get a .454 Cassull. __________________ Don't mind me. I'm just releasing the insanity pressure from my headvalves.

10-07-2004, 08:29 AM	#63 (permalink)
arawn Upright Location: San Diego, CA	Are we still talking about the freaking DE? It's really not all that. I've shot DEs in the 3 basic caliburs: 357mgm, 44mgm, and 50ae. I have friends who boar hunt and predictably, they use only big bore pistols. Really, I only found shooting the DE in 357mgm to be a pleasant experience. The earlier statement about the pistol's popularity is fairly inaccurate. It is wholely a niche/novelty handgun. Soldiers do not use these pistols. Even without the reliable feeding issues the DE would not be a good choice for a combat handgun. -they are too heavy and bulky (the same is true with the HK Mark 23) -the ammo is too expensive and hard to find out of country -parts and magazines are too hard to come by (again, out of country). Any "popularity" enjoyed by the DE soley rests on the shoulders of the movie industry and video games. As an aside: scary handgun? BFR from Magnum Research chambered in 4570gvt. Cheers, B. (edited for irritating spelling errors) __________________ JMJ Factory team San Diego, CA Last edited by arawn; 10-07-2004 at 09:03 AM..

10-27-2004, 06:39 AM	#64 (permalink)
NoSoup Non-Rookie Location: Green Bay, WI	I have fired a DE .50 and .357, and I'd have to say that I was very, very impressed with them. Of course, the weapon didn't malfunction at all while I was using it, but the accuracy of both is very high. With the .50 Cal, I was hitting a 6 inch by 6 inch target at 100 yards with relative ease. The kick from both of them are actually pretty similar to a 9mm, I would imagine because the weapon is just so heavy. I would bet that you could be just as accurate with a quick 2nd shot from the DE than with a typical 9mm. Just figured I'd throw that out there __________________ I have an aura of reliability and good judgement. Just in case you were wondering...

10-28-2004, 03:54 AM	#65 (permalink)
ggadgit Tilted	Well I've owned several guns, colts, glocks, brownings, CZ's ect. If I had to have only one pistol, I would pick a .357 revolver, a sw 686 or 681, heavy frame, can handle any hot load you put through it, or any light load or .38 you want, not fancy but it just works.

10-29-2004, 06:38 PM	#67 (permalink)
Slims Eccentric insomniac Location: North Carolina	I can't believe this is going to be my first post in months...(I just got internet again) The Desert Eagle does exactly what it was designed to do....Look more macho than all the other "normal" handguns on the market and thus capture an entire segment of the population who purchases firearms (and fast cars too, perhaps) in order to present a badass image. __________________ "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery." - Winston Churchill "All men dream: but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act out their dream with open eyes, to make it possible." Seven Pillars of Wisdom, T.E. Lawrence

10-30-2004, 08:25 AM	#68 (permalink)
Blistex Psycho Location: Tiger I Turret	Why is this thread still going on? The main topic question was answered correctly in the first three replies.

10-31-2004, 12:45 PM	#70 (permalink)
Dostoevsky Psycho Location: Macon, GA	Definitely a troll at this point...

10-31-2004, 02:43 PM	#71 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	oh, I was just being patriotic. I dont really know anything about guns, but a gun that can shoot through a wall does sound kinda cool, dont you think? __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas

10-31-2004, 07:47 PM	#72 (permalink)
Suave Twitterpated Location: My own little world (also Canada)	Pretty much any gun can shoot through a wall. Hell, I've even shot a pellet from a mid-power pellet gun a good couple of centimetres into a solid wood wall.

11-03-2004, 09:20 AM	#76 (permalink)
longbough Soylent Green is people. Location: Northern California	Amen to that.

11-03-2004, 09:43 AM	#77 (permalink)
MSD The sky calls to us ... Super Moderator Location: CT	This thread has lost its right to continued existance Many thanks to longbough for resurrecting it to troll, and to Blistex for escalating the flaming.