Stare At The Sun

Alright, so last night, in the wee hours of the morning, I came across this website. http://www.kel-tec.com/prod03.htm

However, I know very little about guns really. All I know is that that thing looks really cool. And, I've been looking to get a fun gun to shoot, and that looks rather fun. Anyways a few questions;
Is this considered a rifle(So i can buy it @ 18).
Do you just smack a clip into it and start shootin or what? I don't even really know what a "carbine" is(im pretty new to guns).
What do i need to know about this thing? Basically, educate me please!

Thanks in advance.
Kevin

kel

The first thing you need to learn is the law.

You may need a FOID to fire a gun in your state and you will have to take a certified safety course. You should take a course regardless. Don't have "someone" show you the ropes. If you are going to own take a course on gun safety.

Second consider buying a .22 for your first rifle. Ammunition is much cheaper (pennies versus dollars). You'll also develop good shooting habits early on.

I would vote for a Ruger rifle.

See http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthr...threadid=38743

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cuervo

A carbine can take on either of two similar meanings:
1. It is a shorted version of a rifle shooting the same ammunition. This would be like the Army's M4 compared to the M16.

The more traditional definition...
2. A shortened rifle that also shoots a lower-powered cartridge. An example of this would be the M1 carbine. It is a small rifle that has its own lower-powered round.

I can second what Kel said, but for slightly different reasons. A 9mm or .40 cal pistol round is not going to be very accurate at much beyond pistol ranges, even out of a rifle (I would question their 150m statement). A .22, however, is high velocity and keeps good accuracy out to 100 yards. And, ammo is much less.

Once you've learned to shoot, their SU-16 would be a good step into a higher-powered cartridge in a fairly small package.

But, if you have the money, go for it.

sailor

If you are looking for a plinking gun (one to play around with--not serious target shooting or hunting), get a little .22. Ruger's 10/22 is an awesome little gun. I have had more fun with .22s that anything else, except perhaps shotguns. Ammo is cheap (very cheap), which makes it affordable to go plinking with. I really think thats what you need to do, especially for a first gun.

Also, maybe look into shotguns. Skeet shooting is very fun.

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SuperMidget

First off, yes it is a rifle. So you can buy it at 18. However, the way it's designed, you're pretty much looking at shooting tin cans at 10 yds. You will not get good accuracy beyond that. Next question is how much do you want to spend to shoot. 9mm will run you about $7 per box of 50.

I will echo everyone else's suggestion to get a good .22 lr. Very cheap to shoot and it will retain good accuracy.

If you are looking for something with a little more oomph to it, you can buy some good carbines in .223 rem. You might be able to find an Armalite clone (AR-15) for about $600 used, or a Ruger Mini-14 for about $400 used. .223 will run you about $60 for 300-500 rounds depending on quality.

Cliff Notes:
1) Said carbine is pretty much useless
2) 22 lr is a better choice
3) .223 carbines are a viable option

Lebell

Yes, it's a rifle, and yes, I second those who are saying get a 10/22 for your first rifle.

I did, about 20 years ago and I never ever ever regretted it.

Plus, there are all sorts of cool accessories for the 10/22, including a folding stock, just like the kel-tec.

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Moonduck

I would jokingly suggest that we're all a bunch of drones. Everytime a new shooter wanders in, he or she is advised to buy a Buckmark if looking for a first pistol and a Ruger 10/22 if looking for a first rifle. The problem with that observation is that fact that I own both and would advise anyone to buy either as a first gun. They are extremely good guns and a lot of bang for the buck.

They're not popular because they're trendy. They're popular because they're very, very good and extremely reasonably priced.

Lebell

I mean, what can you say?

It's just the truth.

Maybe I should create and tack a post:



Newbies!

If you are looking for a first gun/rifle, the consensus of the forum is Ruger 10/22 for a first rifle, Browning Buckmark for a first Pistol!

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Mastershredder

Yeah the Ruger 10/22 is a great first gun. My friend has one and i'm considering getting one pretty soon. I was at a local Wal-Mart a few days ago and say the 10/22 for $159 and it has a 10 shot magazine. Not too bad.

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monkeysugar

I'm not sure about the laws in Ohio, but in Washington you have to be 21 to buy handguns or handgun ammunition. Considering this, I would recommend a carbine that uses rifle cartridges. If you're looking for something fun to shoot, you can't go wrong with a ruger 10/22 or a similar .22 semi-auto.

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SuperMidget

monkeysugar, you should be able to buy handgun ammo if you plan on using it in a rifle. Unless WA has a state law against it. Federal law, (1968 GCA) is what restricts this, and there is an exception for 18+ that will use it in a rifle.


The real question is is whether or not the Walmart *removed for profanity* will sell it to you, or will they be ignorant as usual.

monkeysugar

Good call supermidget. I'm assuming it is either a matter of state law or a lot of stores with the same policy. I have run into the same thing in Idaho. I've seen a lot of signs up in most places that sell firearms stating that you must be 21 to buy handguns or handgun ammunition. Before I was 21, I didn't try asking if I could buy it for use in a rifle, and now I don't really have to worry about it.

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Lebell

I can't think of anywhere off the top of my head where you can by a hand gun at 18 yrs old.

It's almost (I say almost because I'm not 100% sure) certain that the laws everywhere are 18 for long guns, 21 for handguns, that is, if you don't live in those few cities ban handguns.

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SuperMidget

Lebell, true, you can't buy handguns if you're under 21, but you can buy handgun ammo at 18 as long as you use it in a rifle. This is federal law, but there can be state or local laws that preempt this.

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