123dsa

Last Thursday I left work like I always do only to find that my truck had been broken into. Whoever did went through my glovebox scattering parking tickets everywhere. (Hehe) and eventually found my gub that I keep under the seat. Nothing esle was taken (probally due to the fact that nothing else was worth taking). I called the cops, gave them the serial number and about an hour later an officer pulled up to fill out his worksheet. I liked the gun (Springfield Armory .45acp Ultra Compact), but the worst part was the violated feeling that I had. I've got other guns, I guess it was just the principle of it.

Has this happened to anybody else? Was the gun recovered?

As a side note...I'm not one of those *idiots* who drives around calling attention to himself with bumpstickers reading "This vehicle is protected by Smith&Wesson" I didn't make a habit of telling people that I kept a gun in my truck.

Thanks for listening.

LSD

apechild

I had two guns stolen out of my apartment a few years ago while away for a long weekend. The theif knew where the guns were hidden (quite well, I might add). I called the police and filled out the necessary paperwork, but like you it wasn't the loss of the guns that so bothered me, it was the knowledge that I had been violated, betrayed, and my trust had been broken by someone I knew personally.

I never did find out who was responsible, and had to make a conscious effort to get over it. The last thing I needed was to become suspicious and distrustful of all my friends.

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blockmaan2000

Sorry to hear about your loss. Hopefully you had insurance (homeowner, renters) ??


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Moonduck

In 98, my house was broken into. Laptop, some cash, jewelry, etc were stolen, but the scary thing was the loss of three handguns (Sig 229, Browning Hi-Power, and a Taurus). I also felt violated, and was really worked up for quite some time. Homeowners Insurance paid us a fair enough price for the weapons and other items, but I still wish I had the ones I lost back.

Every year, the police call to see if the guns had been recovered, and they are required, by local ordinance, to contact me in the event of recovery or use in a crime. Still drives me crazy.

In this state (Commonwealth, actually), items in your car are covered under Homeowners or Renter's Insurance. Dunno how it is where you are. Good luck on recovery, though you'll probably never see it again =(

123dsa

Yeah it's covered. I'm not holding my breath about ever getting the gun back.

Some friends I told about the theft expressed concern that the gun may be used in a crime. I really don't think I'd feel any responsibility for that, but I guess it would suck.

By the way, my new carry piece is the Browning BDA .380 nickel. Good stuff. Slick little gun. Happy shooting

LSD

MrTuffPaws

I am sorry for your loss. You did the right thing by reporting it, but feel good that you are not in CA.

CA law states that even if your house is locked, you must have some form of lock, cable or in a safe, on your gun or you can be held responsible for any crime committed or injury caused by the gun. If a minor gets a hold of you gun and commits a crime, you are screwed.

In CA, we always have a CA approved cable lock on the gun. wink wink. After all, how are they supposed to know otherwise if it is stolen?

Moonduck

You know, I try not to curse on this forum but the idea that you can be responsible for the actions someone takes with property stolen from you is so insanely fucking stupid that I cannot help but express myself in such a crass manner.

Bullshit like that is what is wrecking this nation. The criminal isn't at fault even though he pulled the trigger, the poor bastard whose house was broken into is the obvious at-fault partyl. Fucking stupid.

Apologies for the language.

poof

I live in a state where you can keep your handgun with you. I am not trying to be a dick, but, leaving a handgun in a vehicle is not very responsible.

It also provides no measure of protection for you and your family when hidden inside your vehicle. Well, protection for the thief who decides to shoot you when you run up and tell him/her to get the f&ck out of your (enter your vehicle make and model here).

Stealing a vehicle is so easy. Don't be a dick and leave a pistol inside.

BTW, why don't you just leave your wallet in there also?

MrTuffPaws

Moonduck: I agree, and don't worry about the language. I have heard worse.

Elegant Holmes

Moonduck: Couldn't have said it better myself. The "bullshit" politics in CA is why I refuse to live there even though I could make a lot more money.

apechild

And those bullshit politics (not to mention onerous workers comp insurance costs and so forth) are the reason Buck knives - in institution in El Cajon - is moving to Idaho.

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123dsa

Here's your answer: My vehicle was at work. It is against work policy to bring in a firemarm. I have guns in the house to protect my family. I don't know why I even bothered responding to this mindless shit.

You seem like a tool.

LSD

Oh, and I agree with moonduck.

Moonduck

Thanks, fellas. I'm just worried that this board will become as pottymouthed (did I say that? Egads, I'm such a parent) as other boards I'm on. The biggest thing I love about this forum is how genteel and intelligent the discussion is here. The last thing I want to do is contriute to any sort of decline.

Scorpion23

moonduck hit it on the head, I'm so glad I don't live in CA.

btw, the only reason I don't have a handgun in my car is that driving onto the MSU campus with it is a crime.

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poof

Irresponsible tool who can't control usage of his weapon due to loss from leaving it unattended:

<i>My vehicle was at work. It is against work policy to bring in a firemarm. </i>

Responsible owner insuring he has not broken policy/laws and has control over his weapon as he actually knows where it is.

<i>btw, the only reason I don't have a handgun in my car is that driving onto the MSU campus with it is a crime.</i>

Gee, go figure who is crying about a stolen pistol.

Oblivion437

It's bullshit in my opinion, if you have a CCW permit, it should apply to ALL areas. If I wanted to walk into say, the FBI building in NY or talk to someone in a police station, I could see checking in the weapon. However, anywhere else, from home to church to work, if there's CCW+ laws or even Open Carry protection, you should be able to carry right into a place of employment, and if they try and stop you, sue them for civil rights abuse and discrimination, and willful neglect of individual safety (the civil rights one should be fairly easy to push, desk-drawer the safety, and let the discrimination charge tag-line it) and as such are acting in a manner duely as irresponsible before the law.

If I wanted to carry concealed, I'd carry two pistols. A colt 25, for those *extra tight* fits, and a Colt 1911, for that something-extra, when ordinary swattings won't put down the unwashed/unclean/unshaven/unfertile masses.

poof

Nice point!
Not really on topic however.

The point is:

Would you leave your weapon unattended?

You know, like not locked in a safe?

Can't get a carry license in this state (Arizona) if you leave your pistol unsecured. You know, Ohhh, suppose you leave it on your front porch, or, in the garage, or, hmmmm
<b>In your unattended vehicle!</b>

Whoops, there goes your CCW in AZ.

Moonduck

Poof, you're being an ass for no reason. AZ might gig you for leaving your weapon unnattended, but the Federal Govt will bust your chops if you carry your pistol into a Post Office in AZ. Sometimes you must leave your weapon in your car if you want to follow local and federal regulations. Lighten up.

poof

I am being an ass? You condone leaving pistols available to any thief!? A loaded pistol placed under a seat is just stupid.

You and the original poster are the asses here.

Plan ahead, don't tote your weapon if you are going to go to the areas you specified.

If you live a lifestyle that mandates carrying, well, you might have other issues.

Bottom line you moron, DON'T leave your gun unattended! Too hard to understand?

STFU moonduck.

Moonduck

Poof, I tried right hard to be nice. You came here, gave the original poster a lot of grief and started namecalling. Like I said, lighten up.

"You condone leaving pistols available to any thief!? "

So, if I walked into your house right now, I would find every gun locked up, right? Every knife too, right? Every heavy blunt object, right? Your car jeys would be in a safe as well too, right? Your car is the very likely the single most dangerous and deadly object you own, yet you leave it parked on the street where anyone can take it. There is no level of security that cannot be breached.

"Plan ahead, don't tote your weapon if you are going to go to the areas you specified.
If you live a lifestyle that mandates carrying, well, you might have other issues."

Really? I used to work armed security years ago. Job required that I had a pistol, period. Armed security, after all. Well, I was a Rover (Road Sgt) and had to go to various sites on each shift. Some of those sites were Federal Property. What was I supposed to then? Should I go home, leave my weapon in a "safe" place, visit the Federal site, then go home and get my pistol? Isn't that abrogating my duty to my employer by wasting company time? Or do I just put my pistol in the trunk and unloaded as the law mandates and do my job as I am required by my employer?

You really should try to lighten up, Poof. This is a conversation, not a screaming match. I will apologize for saying that you were being an ass. While I still consider it a valid opinion, it added nothing to the already negative tone being promoted in your posts, and I should not have done so.

telekinetic2

Um...not to be a dick...but all federal buildings and buildings in which guns are not permitted (the library for example) in AZ that I have been in provide some form of gun locker or storage options for those who choose to carry. So your point is not valid. Arizona has a very different wild-wild-west-style gun culture then the rest of the country, it seems, so you two might be comparing apples and oranges.

I don't think you were in the wrong for leaving your gun in the car, but that doesn't mean you should encourage others to do the same. There is no great crime comitted on your part...you're not 'arming the criminal element'...anyone who can steal a car can get a gun if they want one.

IMHO, it just sucks you lost your gun.

Moonduck

Interesting, Telekinetic. There's not a federal building anywhere I know that offers such a service in Virginia. The point is still valid though, in that you would be in deep trouble if you chose to carry in those areas, it simply shows that federal offices in AZ are a bit more kind to those of us who carry in making provisions. I cannot imagine the hell they must go through to provide liability insurance for such a risk though.

I've never heard that AZ is so very different. Is there a particular reason why?

poof

We are careful about gun control here.

123dsa

Just thought I'd let you all know that I received a call from the state police a few nights ago. They have my gun. I'll get it back after they finish using it for evidence.

lsd

Bill O'Rights

Details man, details! Who, what, where, when, why and how?

Moonduck

Now that's impressive. Around here, once a gun is recovered, it's gone. I've never heard of anyone getting it back after it was recovered. Good news indeed.

JohnS72

What a sense of relief! Glad to hear you will be receiving it back! :-)

uncle phil

poof, we don't talk like this here...opinions are one thing, verbal slams are another...

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soccerchamp76

Poof, you were being an ass for igniting an argument (for whatever lame purpose).

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Mastershredder

Sorry for your loss. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but don't bash people because you don't agree with them..

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Redjake

Poof you're being immature. You can't just take your gun into work. I know plenty of people who keep their guns in their cars as well. Stop trying to ignite arguments. The guy is telling a story about his personal life, and you are flaming. Give it up.

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rat

Hey fellas, want to know why you can legally be barred from carrying a gun into damn near anywhere?

It's this little thing called th Interstate Commerce clause of the constitution. It says "Congress shall have the power...blah blah random shit...and control trade between the several states"

This has been expanded to make almost every single thing a citizen can do into a federal crime. Gun in a bank? Well, if they have even one single customer or account holder that is or possibly could be from another state, you're going to federal prison. Gun into any type of employment place? If that place of employment deals with business out of state or is in an industry that exists outside that state, or has purchased anything that came from out of state or could have, and you interfere with the operation of the business (ie, disturbing other employees from doing their job or making them inefficient due to worry--which is EASY to prove), you have committed a federal crime.

That's the sad legal fact of that. Sorry to hear about your loss, but the company's policy is fully backed by rulings from the Supreme Court. You did the best you could to provide personal protection for yourself while simultaneously taking into account various other laws and procedures. As long as your truck was locked (which to have it broken into I'm going to assume it was), you did everything in your power to both exercise your right to carry and be responsible in the situation.

**edit**glad to hear you'll be getting your piece back. don't know how your local/state PD are when it comes to maintenance of other's/siezed property, so I wish you the best that your piece comes back intact, functional, and unblemished. some PDs have a habit of treating citizen's property (even that which will be returned) in a substandard manner to the point of its deteriation or destruction.

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123-

As a fellow gun owner I got a sick feeling just reading your story. I always worry about whether my guns are secure enough to prevent some unsavory element of society from getting his hands on them. Unfortunately, it is hard to prevent a determined criminal from acquiring firearms. A responsible gun owner's job is to make it difficult for criminals to find and steal his/her gun(s).

As a concealed weapons permit holder I understand and appreciate the dilema that forced you to leave your firarm in your car. Although poof went about making his point in a very inappropriate manner, I feel his opinion has some merit. I personally think it's a bad idea to leave a firearm in a car unattended. When I go out I either carry my gun on my body at all times or I don't bring it at all. I just don't feel comfortable about leaving it in the car because of the number of reports I've heard like this one. Now please understand that I don't blame you for having your gun stolen and I'm very glad that you're getting back, that's a miracle in itself. I just want to add my .02 to this thread. I would strongly suggest either leaving your gun at home during work or finding a concealment technique that you are comfortable enough with to bring your piece into work with you during the day. I guess you have to decide how dangerous your trip to and from work is and whether or not it's worth hiding your gun at the job during the day. That's a very personal decision and I know some people in your situation that leave their guns at home and others who take them into the workplace concealed. I hope you come to some decision that you are comfortable with. If you would like me to recommend another board that deals with issues like this regularly please feel free to contact me.

-Dostoevsky

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dumbnutofak

Well at least you know your gun isn't out there hurting anyone. I'm surprised to hear they recovered it so quickly.

As for a side note. Here in Alaska we are not required to have a gun permit except in Anchorage...which is the city that makes up 3/4 (350,000) of the states population(500,000). I know several people that have firearms they shouldnt. I know a lot more that carry them in there car.

If I had one, I'm sure I would take it with me in my vehicle. Most of the time you never ask yourself the "What If...." questions when you start to do something. And then when people like Poof find out about these unfortunate incidences, they act like they are king of the world...pisses me off.

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