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Sen · 08-25-2003, 08:03 AM

From what I understand, most of the martial arts weapons had their genesis in everyday items such as farming tools, etc. I was just wondering, what everyday items have you thought about or seen used as weapons. (Obviously kitchen knives, etc. excluded.)

For instance, a belt. Post what you think.

arnis · 08-25-2003, 09:22 AM

A rolled up magazine/newspaper.
My Hanshi used to ask semi-new students if paper could hurt you.
No matter the answer you got a nice poke in the gut with todays roled up paper. Yes it hurts!

A. Rothschild · 08-25-2003, 09:40 AM

Ashtray... they are usually made out of glass, stone, metal, etc.
Books. The essential tool of selfdefence for any student. Many of theese objects are made from wood and especially in highschool they tend to be rather heavy... :/

In general, anything that has the weight of a brick or above, a sharp or pointy edge, can be used as a weapon.

Sen · 08-25-2003, 01:39 PM

Fascinating about the paper. Makes sense, though.

telekinetic2 · 08-25-2003, 02:22 PM

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Memnoch · 08-25-2003, 04:46 PM

CDs make *wonderful* throwing-star-type-dealies.

weedline · 08-25-2003, 05:11 PM

You are the weapon every thing else is just a tool.
But if if you need a gun THAT IS THE TOOL YOU NEED. And if you do not have that tool in the box you are f#cked!!

Fire · 08-25-2003, 05:43 PM

picture frames work well- see above on ashtrays- broom handles and simmilar sticks are quite nice pens and pencils are fair stabbing implements- by the way - any body read the book shibumi- (think spelling right) was by the guy that wrote the eiger sanction- think he was named trevenian- anyway- the assasin in that book- also main character always prefered to kill with household objects....

Dilbert1234567 · 08-25-2003, 09:24 PM

something large/heavy/with leverage

redravin40 · 08-25-2003, 09:52 PM

Ani Defranco said

Quote:

Every tool is a weapon, you just have to hold it right.

Oblivion437 · 08-25-2003, 09:59 PM

Well, everyday...hmmm, papercutter blades, a broken glass, curtain rod, lifting weights, a spoon, a fork, power cord, piano wire, letter opener, picture frame, chair, chair leg, wooden box, metal box, monkey wrench, hard cover book, lighter, cigarette (Lit, for a prime example, in the Graphic Novel Watchmen, Kovaks as a kid shoved a lit one in the eye of one of a group of kids who were tormenting him, then he jumps on one of the others and starts mangling him and biting his face) Paint thinner, Hair spray, shaving cream, thumb tacks, keyboard, monitor, computer, mouse, speakers, tv, tv stand, general broken objects of hard structure. I can't think of more right now.

Kaydron · 08-26-2003, 12:10 AM

hehe a spray with a lighter, or some gasolin and a lighter lol

seethreepo · 08-26-2003, 10:49 PM

you can kill with a straw

try it get a raw potato , cover one end of straw jam into potato.

SCARY.

seizei · 08-27-2003, 12:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sen
From what I understand, most of the martial arts weapons had their genesis in everyday items such as farming tools, etc. I was just wondering, what everyday items have you thought about or seen used as weapons. (Obviously kitchen knives, etc. excluded.)

For instance, a belt. Post what you think.

saying that most martial arts weapons came from farming tools is wrong... during the period in Japan when the common people were prohibited from carryiny weapons, they did develop farming tools for that use. For example, the kama is derived from the sickle, nunchaku from the flail to beat grain, tonfa from the handle of a grinder, sai were used to plant seeds...

spears, swords, daggers and the great majority of other 'martial arts weapons' were designed to be weapons first and foremost.

ok done clearing up the details.

My number one favourite easy-to-use and everyday weapon is:

my mind

but some other nifty ones are:
1) a steaming hot cup of coffee
2) ID/credit card (cut the corners into 90 degree angles and they'll cut like a knife)

and everyone has heard of using car keys

Sen · 08-27-2003, 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by seizei
saying that most martial arts weapons came from farming tools is wrong... during the period in Japan when the common people were prohibited from carryiny weapons, they did develop farming tools for that use. For example, the kama is derived from the sickle, nunchaku from the flail to beat grain, tonfa from the handle of a grinder, sai were used to plant seeds...

That's exactly what I'm talking about...so, how exactly was I wrong? Perhaps I should have said that martial arts weapons, in general, were derived from farming equipment. I knew about the oppressive Japanese government being the reason. Obviously, spears, swords, etc...were not originally designed as farming equipment. Furthermore, I don't consider those weapons inherently "martial arts" weapons. Saying that the statement is wrong, is a bit presumptuous.

That being said, the credit card idea is a good one.

yournamehere · 08-27-2003, 02:08 PM

</b>seizei</b>
You are so correct.
I fly a lot on business, and as long as I have my wallet, I am very well armed. I always place a credit card in my shirt pocket while I'm on a plane, and I always also make sure to grab a pillow and blanket, as a defensive measure.

You can do the same thing with laminated drivers licenses or even photographs.

bermuDa · 08-27-2003, 04:45 PM

when i was younger i became convinced an aluminum ladder was a perfect weapon after watching a jackie chan movie. That guy does some amazing stuff with everyday items

JStrider · 08-27-2003, 05:26 PM

the massive 6 Dcell mag lites... ive got a 4 Dcell one in my car... id like to get a 6 tho... they make great clubs...

YourNeverThere · 08-28-2003, 01:48 AM

JSrider, ya man, police use those, there nuts.

Personally I've always been fasinated by tools that could be weapons, well that are I guess.
Other than that, well there's shanks.

Moonduck · 08-28-2003, 06:14 AM

Weedtime got it right.

"You are the weapon"

shakran · 08-28-2003, 08:32 AM

ANYTHING can be a weapon. I'm surprised no one's mentioned items commonly found as litter on the street. Beer bottles (broken or unbroken), pipes, rocks, sand (kick it into their eyes), etc. There are all sorts of weapons lying around on the street.

bigjule · 08-28-2003, 09:11 AM

Ricky Jay (hes a magician turned actor, the big guy who played the camera man in Boogie Nights) wrote a book called Playing Cards as Weapons which is now out of print. He used to go on Carson adn imbed cards into watermelons. If anyone has a copy of this book I would love to buy it.

telekinetic2 · 08-28-2003, 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bigjule
Ricky Jay (hes a magician turned actor, the big guy who played the camera man in Boogie Nights) wrote a book called Playing Cards as Weapons which is now out of print. He used to go on Carson adn imbed cards into watermelons. If anyone has a copy of this book I would love to buy it.

Good luck man...it's on amazon.com and the cheapest price is like $200...

shakran · 08-28-2003, 01:47 PM

you don't need the book. just look it up on google, there's a guy out there who teaches you how to do it in a free website. It really does work too as my wife will tell you - she wasn't too happy when I tried the technique and stuck a card in the wall she'd just wallpapered. Oops.

AlCap0wn · 08-29-2003, 09:07 PM

Turned up in the top ten on Google.

Edit - Shit, I suck at linking.

Munku · 08-30-2003, 09:49 AM

Pillow cast with something small and hard inside. Like a golf ball, or something.

Mr. Moe · 08-30-2003, 09:04 PM

surprised no one said anything about lamps. If anyone ever broke into my room that's the first thing headed towards their face.

seizei · 09-01-2003, 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sen
That's exactly what I'm talking about...so, how exactly was I wrong? Perhaps I should have said that martial arts weapons, in general, were derived from farming equipment. I knew about the oppressive Japanese government being the reason. Obviously, spears, swords, etc...were not originally designed as farming equipment. Furthermore, I don't consider those weapons inherently "martial arts" weapons. Saying that the statement is wrong, is a bit presumptuous.

That being said, the credit card idea is a good one.

meant to point out that the farm tools thing is from 1 area
(Okinawa) where weapons were outlawed. The weapons they developed have become famous as martial arts weapons, but they are a very small percentage of martial arts weapons and come from a very very small area.

so martial arts weapons, in general, were not derived from farming tools. A few specific examples of martial arts weapons, that have become very recognizable as such, were developed from farming tools, but they by no stretch of the imagination comprise the majority of martial arts weapons.

JimmyTheHutt · 09-01-2003, 02:45 PM

I'm personally fond of pens and pencils. It doesn't take much to use them halfways effectively, and the first time someone has a pencil protruding from some part of their body, it will take most of the fight out of them.

Veritas en Lux!
Jimmy The Hutt

Asshole Lover · 09-01-2003, 07:13 PM

i think my keys and my fists would be my weapons. other than that weapons in my vicinity.

PredeconInferno · 09-01-2003, 10:25 PM

My favorite is the toilet seat.

What? It's curved! and quite pointy in parts!

Asshole Lover · 09-02-2003, 02:57 AM

tioilet seat?

did you read the manga of ranma 1/2 where ranma meets mouse? haha

prosequence · 09-02-2003, 03:12 PM

liquid/gel candles, burning preferably.

javex.... fun to throw

tv antenna

sock with pennies inside

phone book

cacti .... throw pot and all

phoneline ... good for strangling

CATS... yeah yeah... throwing cats at people is good !!!!!

Sen · 09-03-2003, 12:09 PM

Cats! That's hilarious!

Oblivion437 · 09-06-2003, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by seizei
nunchaku from the flail to beat grain

Actually, the Nunchaku was completely a Hollywood invention. It wasn't used in the place it was supposed to come from.

Cobalt_60 · 09-06-2003, 04:26 PM

Well, last night I went to see a friend. First time being at this apartment complex. So I put a big foot long screwdriver in my back pocket. I didnt think about taking anything when I left the house. And when I got there it was the only thing I had in my truck.

Zargix · 09-06-2003, 08:37 PM

hmmm. i have a big 4-5 foot long 3/8" diameter steel rod in my room at all times. its for making chainmaille, but i accidently one time took out a good chunk of my wall with it.

seizei · 09-08-2003, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Oblivion437
Actually, the Nunchaku was completely a Hollywood invention. It wasn't used in the place it was supposed to come from.

Nunchaku is part of Kobujutsu, which teaches the large array of traditional Okinawan weapons.

Excerpt from 'The Martial Arts Encyclopedia'. Lawler, Jennifer. Masters Press. 1996. Pg.224.

Quote:

Nunchaku:
A flail made of two short pieces of wood each the length of the forearm, attached by a short cord or chain. It was originally a farming tool, used for threshing. It was developed in Okinawa into a formidable weapon. It can be used to crush, poke, or jab, and it can deflect and parry other weapons. There are numerous blocking and striking techniques that can be performed by experts, though since it is a very difficult art, great masters are increasingly rare.

Nunchaku have been in use as a weapon for many many years. I happen to train with one of the great masters of the nunchaku - he has published instructional videos and also assures me of the nunchaku's authenticity and effectiveness (usually through somewhat painful example).

They are most certainly not a Hollywood invention.

Force 10 · 09-08-2003, 05:27 PM

Good question. After 9.11 the airlines took away my right to defend myself with my normal pocketknife.

Not to worry, I now carry a full metal ink pen in my shirt pocket... I'm an upstanding citizen with a beautiful writing utensil in plain view. I'll stab your ass in the neck beitch!

;-)

bigjule · 09-08-2003, 05:40 PM

A friend of mine carries a nylon brush in her carryon bag that is actually a very effective piercing weapon hidden in the head of the brush. Since it is all nylon it has never been found or inspected.

08-25-2003, 08:03 AM	#1 (permalink)
Sen Insane Location: Midwest	Everyday items as weapons... From what I understand, most of the martial arts weapons had their genesis in everyday items such as farming tools, etc. I was just wondering, what everyday items have you thought about or seen used as weapons. (Obviously kitchen knives, etc. excluded.) For instance, a belt. Post what you think. __________________ "I want to announce my presence with authority!" "You want to what?" "I want to announce my presence with authority!!"

08-25-2003, 09:40 AM	#3 (permalink)
A. Rothschild Upright Location: Denmark	Ashtray... they are usually made out of glass, stone, metal, etc. Books. The essential tool of selfdefence for any student. Many of theese objects are made from wood and especially in highschool they tend to be rather heavy... :/ In general, anything that has the weight of a brick or above, a sharp or pointy edge, can be used as a weapon. __________________ Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for company.

08-25-2003, 01:39 PM	#4 (permalink)
Sen Insane Location: Midwest	Fascinating about the paper. Makes sense, though. __________________ "I want to announce my presence with authority!" "You want to what?" "I want to announce my presence with authority!!"

08-25-2003, 02:22 PM	#5 (permalink)
telekinetic2 Loser	[threadjack] And the beginning of the Cardboard Tube Samarai chronicles...click next to get through the rest of them http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2003-03-03 [/threadjack] <alright fucker don't even TRY to fucking quote me...ass> Last edited by telekinetic2; 08-25-2003 at 02:25 PM..

08-25-2003, 04:46 PM	#6 (permalink)
Memnoch Insane Location: Land of milk and honey - Wisconsin	CDs make wonderful throwing-star-type-dealies. __________________ Doing my best not to end up like Kathleen Chang.

08-25-2003, 09:22 AM	#2 (permalink)
arnis Upright	A rolled up magazine/newspaper. My Hanshi used to ask semi-new students if paper could hurt you. No matter the answer you got a nice poke in the gut with todays roled up paper. Yes it hurts!

08-25-2003, 05:11 PM	#7 (permalink)
weedline Upright Location: Fort Lauderdale Florida	You are the weapon every thing else is just a tool. But if if you need a gun THAT IS THE TOOL YOU NEED. And if you do not have that tool in the box you are f#cked!!

08-25-2003, 05:43 PM	#8 (permalink)
Fire Warrior Smith Location: missouri	picture frames work well- see above on ashtrays- broom handles and simmilar sticks are quite nice pens and pencils are fair stabbing implements- by the way - any body read the book shibumi- (think spelling right) was by the guy that wrote the eiger sanction- think he was named trevenian- anyway- the assasin in that book- also main character always prefered to kill with household objects.... __________________ Thought the harder, Heart the bolder, Mood the more as our might lessens

08-25-2003, 09:24 PM	#9 (permalink)
Dilbert1234567 Devils Cabana Boy Location: Central Coast CA	something large/heavy/with leverage __________________ Donate Blood! "Love is not finding the perfect person, but learning to see an imperfect person perfectly." -Sam Keen

08-25-2003, 09:59 PM	#11 (permalink)
Oblivion437 Upright	Well, everyday...hmmm, papercutter blades, a broken glass, curtain rod, lifting weights, a spoon, a fork, power cord, piano wire, letter opener, picture frame, chair, chair leg, wooden box, metal box, monkey wrench, hard cover book, lighter, cigarette (Lit, for a prime example, in the Graphic Novel Watchmen, Kovaks as a kid shoved a lit one in the eye of one of a group of kids who were tormenting him, then he jumps on one of the others and starts mangling him and biting his face) Paint thinner, Hair spray, shaving cream, thumb tacks, keyboard, monitor, computer, mouse, speakers, tv, tv stand, general broken objects of hard structure. I can't think of more right now.

08-26-2003, 12:10 AM	#12 (permalink)
Kaydron Upright Location: Denmark	hehe a spray with a lighter, or some gasolin and a lighter lol __________________ Death is immortal.

08-26-2003, 10:49 PM	#13 (permalink)
seethreepo Addict Location: outer reaches of space	you can kill with a straw try it get a raw potato , cover one end of straw jam into potato. SCARY. __________________ rub it and see.

08-27-2003, 02:08 PM	#16 (permalink)
yournamehere Invisible Location: tentative, at best	</b>seizei</b> You are so correct. I fly a lot on business, and as long as I have my wallet, I am very well armed. I always place a credit card in my shirt pocket while I'm on a plane, and I always also make sure to grab a pillow and blanket, as a defensive measure. You can do the same thing with laminated drivers licenses or even photographs. __________________ If you want to avoid 95% of internet spelling errors: "If your ridiculous pants are too loose, you're definitely going to lose them. Tell your two loser friends over there that they're going to lose theirs, too." It won't hurt your fashion sense, either.

08-27-2003, 04:45 PM	#17 (permalink)
bermuDa don't ignore this--> Location: CA	when i was younger i became convinced an aluminum ladder was a perfect weapon after watching a jackie chan movie. That guy does some amazing stuff with everyday items __________________ I am the very model of a moderator gentleman.

08-27-2003, 05:26 PM	#18 (permalink)
JStrider Poo-tee-weet? Location: The Woodlands, TX	the massive 6 Dcell mag lites... ive got a 4 Dcell one in my car... id like to get a 6 tho... they make great clubs... __________________ -=JStrider=- ~Clatto Verata Nicto

08-28-2003, 01:48 AM	#19 (permalink)
YourNeverThere Practical Anarchist Location: Yesterday i woke up stuck in hollywood	JSrider, ya man, police use those, there nuts. Personally I've always been fasinated by tools that could be weapons, well that are I guess. Other than that, well there's shanks. __________________ The Above post is a direct quote from Shakespeare

08-28-2003, 06:14 AM	#20 (permalink)
Moonduck Junkie Location: SE USA	Weedtime got it right. "You are the weapon"

08-28-2003, 08:32 AM	#21 (permalink)
shakran Tone.	ANYTHING can be a weapon. I'm surprised no one's mentioned items commonly found as litter on the street. Beer bottles (broken or unbroken), pipes, rocks, sand (kick it into their eyes), etc. There are all sorts of weapons lying around on the street.

08-28-2003, 09:11 AM	#22 (permalink)
bigjule Upright	Ricky Jay (hes a magician turned actor, the big guy who played the camera man in Boogie Nights) wrote a book called Playing Cards as Weapons which is now out of print. He used to go on Carson adn imbed cards into watermelons. If anyone has a copy of this book I would love to buy it.

08-28-2003, 01:47 PM	#24 (permalink)
shakran Tone.	you don't need the book. just look it up on google, there's a guy out there who teaches you how to do it in a free website. It really does work too as my wife will tell you - she wasn't too happy when I tried the technique and stuck a card in the wall she'd just wallpapered. Oops.

08-30-2003, 09:49 AM	#26 (permalink)
Munku Lost Location: Florida	Pillow cast with something small and hard inside. Like a golf ball, or something.

08-30-2003, 09:04 PM	#27 (permalink)
Mr. Moe Loser Location: Oakville, Ontario	surprised no one said anything about lamps. If anyone ever broke into my room that's the first thing headed towards their face.

09-01-2003, 02:45 PM	#29 (permalink)
JimmyTheHutt Psycho Location: Hell (Phoenix AZ)	I'm personally fond of pens and pencils. It doesn't take much to use them halfways effectively, and the first time someone has a pencil protruding from some part of their body, it will take most of the fight out of them. Veritas en Lux! Jimmy The Hutt __________________ Think Jabba, only with more hair and vestigal legs.... "This isn't a nightmare, its real. Nightmare's end." -ShadowDancer

09-01-2003, 07:13 PM	#30 (permalink)
Asshole Lover Crazy	i think my keys and my fists would be my weapons. other than that weapons in my vicinity. __________________ smells like ass, tastes like _______.

09-01-2003, 10:25 PM	#31 (permalink)
PredeconInferno Reclusiarch Location: Unfortunately Houston, TX	My favorite is the toilet seat. What? It's curved! and quite pointy in parts! __________________ Samurai in Training Knowledge is power. Guard it well.

09-02-2003, 02:57 AM	#32 (permalink)
Asshole Lover Crazy	tioilet seat? did you read the manga of ranma 1/2 where ranma meets mouse? haha __________________ smells like ass, tastes like _______.

09-02-2003, 03:12 PM	#33 (permalink)
prosequence Psycho Location: YOUR MOM!!	liquid/gel candles, burning preferably. javex.... fun to throw tv antenna sock with pennies inside phone book cacti .... throw pot and all phoneline ... good for strangling CATS... yeah yeah... throwing cats at people is good !!!!! __________________ And now here I stand because of you, Mister Anderson, because of you I'm no longer an agent of the system, because of you I've changed...

09-03-2003, 12:09 PM	#34 (permalink)
Sen Insane Location: Midwest	Cats! That's hilarious! __________________ "I want to announce my presence with authority!" "You want to what?" "I want to announce my presence with authority!!"

09-06-2003, 04:26 PM	#36 (permalink)
Cobalt_60 Addict	Well, last night I went to see a friend. First time being at this apartment complex. So I put a big foot long screwdriver in my back pocket. I didnt think about taking anything when I left the house. And when I got there it was the only thing I had in my truck.

09-06-2003, 08:37 PM	#37 (permalink)
Zargix Crazy Location: Everywhere, Simultaniously	hmmm. i have a big 4-5 foot long 3/8" diameter steel rod in my room at all times. its for making chainmaille, but i accidently one time took out a good chunk of my wall with it.

09-08-2003, 05:27 PM	#39 (permalink)
Force 10 Had to leave this awesome space	Good question. After 9.11 the airlines took away my right to defend myself with my normal pocketknife. Not to worry, I now carry a full metal ink pen in my shirt pocket... I'm an upstanding citizen with a beautiful writing utensil in plain view. I'll stab your ass in the neck beitch! ;-)

09-08-2003, 05:40 PM	#40 (permalink)
bigjule Upright	A friend of mine carries a nylon brush in her carryon bag that is actually a very effective piercing weapon hidden in the head of the brush. Since it is all nylon it has never been found or inspected.