Slims

Cimarron: If the law requires you to notify the home-owner then it is a reasonable expectation that you would do-so. That's not the case in most states.

FuglyStick: I understand your concern. Knowing that I would not carry into your home without first getting your permission. But for everyday happenstance I am not going to ask for either of these two reasons: If I am friends with the person I probably know what they are OK with and don't have to ask; If they are a stranger I am not going to 'jump on my sword' by exposing the fact I am carrying a weapon.

There is nothing wrong with lawful CCW. I also always carry a knife, which is a weapon as well and (realistically) can likely be employed more effectively inside the confines of (your) home than a firearm.

No, I don't see a difference between someone's place of business or their residence with regard to CCW. I will honor the (disclosed) preferences of either location. If you have a problem with someone lawfully carrying the burden is on you to make your preference known, not the other way around.

There are some things which society has accepted as inappropriate (wild crazy sex in a supermarket) and has passed laws against. We have voted (in most states) and chosen to allow CCW in homes UNLESS the HOMEOWNER forbids it.


Would you expect an off duty FBI officer to tell you "Hey, I know I'm off duty and all, but I have to carry a weapon anyway so I have a 1911 on my hip and a secret backup gun that nobody is supposed to know about on my left ankle?"

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FuglyStick

If I know he is an off-duty FBI officer, it's going to be safe to assume that he is armed. If I don't know he is an off-duty FBI officer, then yes, he should tell me he is armed (because, after all, if he is off-duty, it's safe to assume he's not there in any official capacity, in which case he's just another joe with a concealed weapon).

I'm done with this thread. Feel free to keep drumming up reasons why it's none of my business if you bring a concealed weapon onto my property without informing me; my response is "bullshit" to them all.

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kutulu

You can justify it to yourselves until you are blue in the face but the fact is that you need to be completely retarded to not be aware of the fact that some people might have a problem with it. It is rude and disrespectful to those who don't like guns. It's my house, I shouldn't have to quiz guests at the door, reminding them that guns aren't welcome at my house.

It's perfectly legal to wear anti-christian clothing to a religious person's house. Does that mean I should? If I go to dinner at a Morman's house, should I bring a bottle of wine with me?

If I had a party at my house and found out someone brought a gun, I'd ask them to either put it in their car or GTFO and don't come back.

Two more things:

1. Your really need the difference between a business and a residence explained?

2. If you can't trust someone enough to let them know you are bringing a gun into their house then maybe you shouldn't be going to their house in the first place.

desal75

In NYS it is illegal to leave your handgun in the car. So if you notify your friend you have the weapon and they do not allow it do you immediately leave or stand on the public domain of the sidewalk and continue your visit there?

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Walt

In theory, I would like to know if a stranger in my home is carrying a weapon. In practice, I don't allow strangers in to my home. Friends are trusted and can carry whatever they want without telling me (it's pretty much assumed that they will be packing).

On the flip side, I don't randomly wander in to strangers homes. The only time I do is if it is for a party, etc. In that case, it is usually inappropriate to carry anyways.

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desal75

Walt, I think you summed up what I was trying to say. If I'm close enough with someone to go into their home or have them into mine I probably trust them to safely and responsibly carry a handgun; and I hope they feel the same way about me.

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Plan9

I have a table by the double-deadbolt'd door for guns. It's more comfortable sitting on the couch with your piece over on the table but I won't stop you.

...and if the snow shovel-sized extended controls on your 1911 scuffs my fuckin' couch, your ass is in trouble.

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kutulu

I think that is fair, just be sure that your friends understand that you may have your gun and its cool.

The whole CCW thing is weird to me anyways. I think it is stupid that permits are required for CCW. From what I hear, the classes are BS and just serve to give a trainer some extra money. Here in AZ they don't need them anymore. I don't understand why you can't just openly carry instead. To me, a CCW might help you out in an extremely rare situation. Open carry might prevent that extremely rare situation from ever happening.

Plan9

I wish the rest of the country was as cool about defensive carry as you are, Kutulu. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm guessing that, based on your philosophy, you don't carry and may not own a firearm. I don't have to tell you it's a crazy world out there. There are bad people. And there are people that don't like guns because bad people use guns. Some think guns are evil (some of these silly people think sex and booze are also evil). They also think that the only people that should have guns are cops and GI Joe. These people also depend on cops to help them with life-threatening issues. These people are often statistics because a cop on the phone doesn't stop a bad guy in your house / jacking your car / mugging your wife.

In a perfect world, open carry would be the norm and nobody would question why Joe Average has a Glock on his hip. The reality of open carry is that it makes you a showoff and a target. A concealed weapon offers you both the advantage of surprise (nobody knows who has / doesn't have a gun) and the advantage inherent in having a gun in a gun fight (a good idea). Open carry says "shoot me first" and makes you the target of suspicion to law enforcement and nervous little old ladies. Golly gosh, who knows when that gun'll just jump outta that holster and cap a baby or three?!

Concealed carry permits, in my opinion, are largely unnecessary. Just another case of the government trying to put a bar code on my forehead and keep me from exercising my Constitutional rights by making it a pain in the ass to do such. A concealed carry permit isn't about stopping crime; bad guys will continue to buy and use cheap .22s and .38s; saw off shotguns and hide them under their trench coats. It is my thought that the whole permit concept was largely created by the state government for the gun-fearing populace as a way of saying that they have control over guns and thus control over criminals that use them. It's a feel-good placebo for the meek. Based on crime statistics, it doesn't do dick to stop crime. And it's total bullshit.

Common sense says you don't learn to shoot at a concealed carry class. Such classes are designed to help familiarize Joe Average with the responsibilities and consequences associated with carrying a defensive firearm and using it to defend himself. While it may involve some type of firing qualification (such as a state standard police marksmanship qualification), it is mostly supposed to inform the students of where they can and can't carry and what will happen if they defend themselves with a firearm. The motivation behind the class is probably more cover-our-ass legal than save-your-ass educational. "By taking this class and getting this card, we've got your balls in the ringer if you do anything outside the lines."

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Seer666

Well, pretty interesting thread. Not one I have thought about much. I know a few people that carry, and I have started carrying again. While i would like a heads up, I think I would only be upset if they didn't tell me and I found out, because that means they just aren't doing it well. My problem is with stupidity, not guns.

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remy1492

I do enter friends homes and businesses. Most of them are CCW as well so they dont care and probably figure I am carrying.

Regardless, my pistol is either in the waistband and I cannot remove it or my shorts will fall down. I buy larger shorts to fit the gun and holster, without it, they sag. Yes this is a problem if I have my gun out and have to chase a mofo!

Or my gun is in a cargo pocket in smaller pairs of shorts, its buttoned closed and going nowhere. Its more of a pain to remove it and put it away in the car than it is just to keep it in the pocket as if it were an Iphone or wallet.

So no, I dont notify anybody about it. But my friends know my hobby and know I carry and I am sure they wouldnt care.

I also carry with NO round in the chamber. So even if the gun did drop out or something, there is no risk of a discharge.
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If i had a friend who carried a Hi-Point, then I would not let him in my house.

Walt

So...since we all train like we fight, is it safe to assume that you spend your range time with your pants around your ankles?

Belt (clothing) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Plan9

Great, I just snorted up some Maxwell House. Fuck you, Walt.

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Remy,

Whoa. Say what? I realize that you purchase your pants size one size larger to accommodate an IWB holster (as most guys do) but that doesn't explain the pants thing at all given the requirement of said IWB to have a belt to anchor it. I can't see a cool guy like you carrying like a homeboy.

Generally speaking cargo pocket carry is only 2% better than off-body carry. Neither are recommended for CCW. They're slow and awkward.

I stopped carrying my piece in "amber status" after a few drills where I was pretend-stabbed in the gut before I could chamber a round and level.

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I'm going to buy a Hi-Point .380 and get "TFP Bear Stopper" engraved on it.

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MSD

The two situations in which I normally find myself in other people's houses are when I'm visiting friends, who know me well enough that when I get around to getting a pistol permit they know I'll be carrying most of the time, and for parties, where I expect that my BAC will be over .10 and therefore will not be carrying.

Plan9

Hell, I'm surprised they let people in Connecticut have guns.

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blade02

So what about the flip side of this? I don't carry (not opposed, just not practical for me), so when I enter any of my friends' houses I'm outgunned.

So all of these people demanding that their guests notify that they're carrying... would you tell all of your guests that you have guns?

Walt

No. It's perfectly reasonable (and within a homeowners rights) to tell a guest that you don't allow people to bring firearms in to your home. It is not reasonable to walk in to someone else's home and and demand to be notified of any and all guns in the house.

As Dunedan said; "My house, my rules".

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