Canine

So I was thinking about getting a concealed carry permit when I get back from Afghanistan. I leave in August, and my block leave will be the entire month of October, at which point I plan to spend a week or two in NYC, so I'd like to have a CCW on me while I'm there (just in case). Will this give me enough time to take the classes or whatever and get my permit?

And as for the weapon itself, where can it be stored other than a private home? I live in an Army barracks so I can't keep it in there. Can a person legally store their CCW in their car when not around it?

I've always wanted a CCW, and I figure this is the perfect time to get one.

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The_Dunedan

A permit to carry a handgun? In NYC? As in New York City?

Forget about it. Just put it out of your mind. Active duty or not, veteran or not, unless you are -personally- sucking Michael Bloomberg and Elliot Spitzer's dicks, forget it. It will not happen. The only people in NYC who can get carry permits are politicians (or their friend/donors, and only rarely), leftist celebrities, and the bodyguards thereof. You, on the other hand, are a Pleb, a Paeon, a Helot. You don't need a -GUN-, after all, you have New York's Finest to protect you. And since New York State does not recognise the CCW's of other States (no reciprocity), even if you have a CCW from another State, you're just another gangbanger if you get caught.

Getting a gun, ANY gun, in New York City (legally) is extremely difficult. A handgun is even worse. And a permit to -carry- the thing? A'int gonna happen. To quote the "Traveler's Guide To The Firearm Laws Of The Fifty States:"

"Mere possession of a handgun by a New York resident, even in one's own home, requires a New York license to posess or carry. Such licensed are issued to residents on a discretionary basis* through their home county...New York does not issue licenses to nonresidents unless the nonresident is principally employed within the state (ie. bank guards, etc.) New York does not recognize out-of-state permits. This makes handgun carry by the out-of-state traveler, either in one's vehicle or on one's person, nearly impossible.

The possession of any firearm in the city of New York without a New York City license is strictly prohibited."


*Meaning the Top Cop can turn you down because "Niggers don't need guns, boy." and there's nothing anyone can do about it.

Canine

So taking it to NYC is out of the question. But still, I'd like to get one when I get back. The rest of my question still stands

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The_Dunedan

Depends upon the State you reside in. Where's home?

You can apply the above equally to New Jersey, Massachusetts, and Maryland. Lesser degrees of the same bullshit append across most of the North-East, with the notable exceptions of New Hampshire (almost civilised) and Vermont ( virtually no State-level gun laws at all).

Canine

I live in North Carolina, but my home of record is Kentucky. KY and NC permits are each legal in the other state though

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The_Dunedan

KY should be no problem. Only difficulty might be the wait time; for a first application for CCW it can be anywhere between two weeks and six months before the permit arrives. My customers have reported that waits of 90+ days are not uncommon, although such is illegal in NC. A wait of 4-6 months is not unheard of. So although you should have time to take the class and complete all the forms, there's a good chance you'll be back to hunting Osama before the card arrives.

Canine

awesome. Thanks

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rahl

I'd also recommend trying to get a non-resident permit from Utah. you will be able to carry in alot more states than just getting a permit from your resident state.

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Plan9

Reciprocity is the name of the game for CCW permits.

Check out the link.

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remy1492

yeah, get the permit THEN worry about details. NYC is definitely a victim zone, no guns. Well, unless you are a gov official or a crack dealer. The latter being more moral.

Look into the details now so you can have the application ready to go, in TX I needed fingerprints, photos and the range/class qual. Which was surprisingly pathetic.

As for barracks, no. no guns. Your choice is to lock it in the armory on base or keep it off base.
The armory has used and abused my guns so I'd never trust those dudes.

Keeping it off base is better, but Id get a mini safe for it and be sure you trust your buddy.

the last option is moving off base once you get back. more freedom, more problems financially.

You can store the gun in a car except for a few states, CA being one. In that its for transportation and not storage, whether anybody knows or cares, not sure.
NC should be fine, but once again, being on base and stopped with a gun you must either live in base HOUSING or be going to or from your armory. If they suspect its sitting in your car all the time, then they get mad.

Out of all this, dont push your luck on a base, they are generally all jerks, all super-cops and you are guilty until proven innocent, usually several thousands of dollars later.

Plan9

Not in barracks? Heh. Not where I was. The gate guards didn't give a shit about the POWs in my truck. Barracks inspections were cursory at best.

*imagines running around the barracks in running shorts, IBA... clearing rooms with POW AK47s/shotguns, using cans of Bud Light as flashbangs*

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Canine

lol

Bragg has so much traffic that there would be some big problems if they tried to search everyone who came through. As it is, if you've got your military ID on you then they just wave you through. If I just kept the gun under my seat they'd never notice.
We do have the occasional strict barracks search though, usually right after someone does something stupid (I'm reminded of a medic getting the fire department to kick in his door because he disabled his smoke detector and had a fog machine on), and NCOs are not exempted.

I'm not moving off post because as it is I can wake up five minutes before I have to show up in the morning and make it with a minute to spare.

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dksuddeth

KY is an open carry state. work on your permit, but you can carry without one. NC is the same.

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Plan9

All-kinds-of-fail'd! Open carry is for patriotic idiots and police-attention whores.

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Call me a naive foreigner here, but how the **** did states like New York ever get around just eliminating the constitutional right to bear arms when it seems every one of the ill-conceived attempts to do this fails? How is narrowing your options so severely not in fact the same as taking away your right to bear arms? What if all the states pulled the same crap?

If they carry on doing this you'll have a bullshit situation like England where the state has a total monopoly on power and everyone else is just a potential victim.

The_Dunedan

See New Jersey, New York, Maryland, Massachusetts, California.

And the reason they get away with it is because these States are inhabited by large numbers of morons who think this is a good idea, leftist cloud-kuckoo-landers who think Essex or Oldham at 2am is a perfect model for American cities (chavs and all), career criminals who dislike the notion of armed victims, and politicians with electoral ties to all three of the previous groups.

One-kind-of-fail'd! Open carry is for people who dislike concealment, who want to spread the word about 2nd Amendment activism, who want to educate others, who carry large revolvers in bear/cat country, who prefer to exercise their individual sovereignty and individual rights in a public way, who enjoy annoying overweening hoplophobes and leftist busybodies, or who simply prefer to be able to access their weapon more quickly without having to get clothes out of the way. It's also a -wonderful- deterrent in a town full of illegal Mexican and Salvadoran gangbangers: they clear out of the way when my Mom walks into a resteraunt or grocery rockin' the Five-seven.

Baraka_Guru

I'm actually particularly interested in the decision between open carry and concealed carry. I've heard the argument before about Second Amendment activism with open carry. However, I've always leaned toward the opinion of 9er, where he states that it's typically exercised by patriotic individuals or those who perhaps are begging for a confrontation with authorities so they can exercise their rights and make a point. Although I think the latter group would be a minority, I do believe the prior group would make up a large proportion of those who use open carry.

Whenever I picture a citizen with a handgun on his hip, walking around in public, I think "cowboy." Now much of that is likely my preconceived notions I've gotten from all those wonderful American films I've watched. So sue me. But I'd sooner think "zealous patriot" than I would "Second Amendment activist." I'm sure there are a fair number of those who do it for activist reasons, but I find it hard to believe that they'd outnumber the cowboys out there. I don't have that much faith in humanity. I could be wrong.

That said, I stumbled across this article:
Guns Easier to Carry Not Just at Starbucks - CBS Evening News - CBS News

What do the cowboys and activists do when they run into resistance in places of business? Just take their business elsewhere? See, this is where I view concealed carry as more sensible: you're exercising your right, yet you don't run the risk of being viewed as rubbing it in (likely unarmed) peoples' faces.

Surely there are better ways to carry out Second Amendment activism. It's not like people are also handing out brochures everywhere they go, explaining why they're carrying their weapon in public for all to see. (Though I'm sure some do.)

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At least in this situation, the open carry crowd doesn't have the option of (legally) carrying concealed. California allows open carry, but most of the population lives in counties that don't issue CC permits. Carrying openly may come across as attention whoring, but it won't get you arrested like concealed carrying might.

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Plan9

My comment was a little harsh, but I'll explain:

*circles hands like Bruce Lee, strikes a Kung Fu pose, mouth moves (poorly dubbed)* Aaah, we meet again, Lord Doo-Doo-Dan!

I'd love to open carry, too... but if you live in an area where guns are "scary baby-eating death machines," discretion is the better part of valor, bro. I don't think any gun owner prefers concealment for everyday activities; it's just reality.

Okay, I can kinda see this. "Hey, look at me exercising my rights." Really, it's too bad it causes so much friction. States have open carry laws and then when you go to do it... you're harassed where you're allowed to open carry or you see "No Guns" signs posted.

By using a demonized prop? Bad idea. Gun activists are like the news media... self serving. Just like conservatives watch Fox, liberals watch MSNBC... so they hear what they want to hear. Sometimes they switch to the other channel just because they like conflict. My point: Open carry people tend to open carry either where doesn't get a second look... or where it'll cause huge problems.

My first comment in this thread was a vague cheap shot, but I was referring to urban open carry. I often open carry while hiking.

Honorable in intentions but totally tinfoil hat brigade in application. A good portion of this country lumps the 2nd Amendment with the 3rd Amendment. This is a huge assumption to think that they know the 3rd Amendment... let alone just the 2nd.

...and law enforcement officers, who are likely to harass you for "brandishing" even if it is holstered.

I'll have you know that I'm a leftist busybody, Dunedan. Look at me ruining the lives of white people!

Like what? A Muslim woman? Unless you're Todd Jarrett or Jerry Miculek, moving a jacket out of the way isn't going to be a significant portion of your draw time ratio. Cooper's threat assessment colors and knowing how to properly index a weapon largely mitigate this issue.

Knowing what I know about big name ethnic gangs... an old lady with a pistol doesn't scare these guys. Hell, local PD bagged some dude last night wearing body armor and toting a semi auto in an actual holster. No offense dude, but your mom doesn't stand a chance if anybody with a pair decides they wanna ruin her day. They don't have any issues with shooting first.

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My conspiracy theory regarding why the concealed carry is allowed is 25% Pro-Gun types, 75% the states just wanting to make a boatload of money off something that causes few problems and is popular under the guise that it promotes a "fundamental American right."

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I wish people would push as hard for a woman's right to be topless in public. Screw guns, I wanna see some open carry boobies.

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Poppinjay

Open carry boobies is the law in NC, not in VA though. Virginians are prudish.

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Canine

If I ever see some random guy with a gun on his hip, my immediate reaction is to think that he looks like a total douche ("Look at me, everyone! I want attention!"). If I'm going to carry a handgun at all, it would be CC.

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The_Dunedan

Well, part of the reaction described has to do with who the gangbangers are, and who she is. She's well known as the wife of a large, grumpy gun-dealer. She's equally well-known for her own exotic armament (the 5.7, her .50, etc) and skill with it. And these 'bangers and their hangers-on come from criminal and social cultures where that type of armament (the 5.7 pistol especially) are well-known and very expensive status symbols, usually belonging either to the highest-ranked members of a cartel or gang, and to their most trusted bodyguards. Because of the round's ability to penetrate body armor, especially when loaded with black-market AP ammo (which is unavailable in the US except to Law Enforcement), it's not something even the cartel bosses want just -everybody- getting their hands on. The .50...well, that one's obvious.

Now, if these were folks from other criminal cultures where such things don't matter as much, or matter differently, I'd imagine the reactions would be different. I also don't doubt that the wrong person would have no problem with shooting first, or at least trying to. Those kinds of people are why situational awareness is a good thing.

Plan9

Really? Huh. Well, I'd be impressed if a gangsta knew what a Five-seveN was... most of them (from what I've read in urban gun culture interviews and UCR stats) are still hung up on the urban icons of the Intratec Tec-9, AK, Uzi and the hilarious Desert Eagle. Most of the guns recovered from gang shootings are smaller caliber (.22 to 9mm). Far from exotic.

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SSJTWIZTA

the one person in my town known for constantly carrying a pistol on his hip is the local sheriff. every one thinks he's a prick anyway.

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KirStang

Well, the thing about California OC--yes it's the only legal way to carry, but at the same time it leaves you open to being targeted for firearms theft/robbery (Taze. Grab. Run.).

Uh back to the OP's question, IIRC my permit took 90 days (Florida). I applied for it in August and parents received in late October/early November. Different states vary by time.

What kind of base are you storing your firearm in? My cursory search in to the UCMJ reveals that it's base by base or by commander...

UnclearContent

Kentucky CC took me about six weeks to receive and my father about six weeks to receive. Some have experienced upward of three months. The KY permit is very nice, and is reciprocated by somewhere around 30 or more states, most of which are the states I usually travel through. Can't pack going to get a pizza in Chi-town, though .

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