Plan9

Okay, let's assume for a moment that I'm the gun-toting equiv of Chicken Little and The Great Dem Obama is looming above me with promises to steal ALL my "assault weapons" as soon as he gets situated in his just-for-stomping-the-little-guy (TM) command bunker?

What should I be out buying right now? Barrett? AR receivers? Glock mags? 5.7x28mm SS190? Folding stock AKs?

What do you think / have you witnessed other panicked shoppers buying right now?

Do tell.

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Walt

I hope that Dunedan weighs in on this one. He’s been telling me about all of the local yokels coming into his shop and buying anything and everything that is magazine fed. I may be misquoting him but I’m pretty sure that he was saying his distributor’s inventory is completely exhausted. Apparently they’ve sold something like 10,000 AK’s and 8,000 AR’s in the last 3 months.

It’s kind of frightening. Not that I’m worried about some kind of armed, redneck uprising; I dont live near a Bass Pro Shop. What worries me is the thought of that many untrained people rocking that kind of firepower. I think it’s a safe bet that more than a few of these folks will either completely ruin an otherwise fine weapon or accidentally remove themselves from the gene pool.

A Barrett would be cool to have but not very realistic. Im not good enough to justify a 2,000 yds weapon, it weighs a fucking ton and I would have to start renting out my sweet, virgin asshole to dirty old men at the bus stop to be able to afford a box of 50 BMG ammo. I dont see the point in owning more than one AR or AK. Why own more guns than you can effectively carry? A couple of extra Glock mags would be nice, though only because I’m just getting into IDPA shooting.

For me, the only cause for concern is the rising cost/scarcity of ammunition. For that reason (and because I like to tinker) I’m starting to put together a reloading bench.

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dksuddeth

Barrets, any AR clone, any high cap mag fed rifle and available magazines. ammo, lots of it. supposedly there is the possibility of pushing through an ammo accountability law that would outlaw any non encoded round by 2010 and simple possession or manufacture of unencoded rounds would be a serious felony.

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telekinetic

This for me.

Although if I had investment funds, I'd scoop up a batch of tacticooled out AK's, too, and some drum mags.

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Slims

I would say a good stockpile of standard-capacity magazines, a few stripped AR receivers (they will be worth a ton if another AWB gets passed), and ammunition/reloading equipment.

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MSD

I want a BFG-50, a WASR-22, and a Ruger MKIII with a bull barrel and .223 suppressor. An AR would be nice, too.

The_Dunedan

We've sold probably 3,000+ weapons in the last 6 weeks, and we're in BUTTFUCK. Hundreds of stripped AR receivers, hundreds of ARs, probably close to 1,000 AKs of various kinds, 100,000+ rounds of ammo (almost our whole inventory) mostly in 5.56mm, 7.62x39 and 7.62x51NATO. I've lost count of the magazines, stock sets, sights, flashlights....we had a guy offer to buy our entire last shipment of AR mags at $40.00 a piece, 100 of them, sight-unseen, over the phone. We have other -dealers- calling us and looking to buy inventory; FULL RETAIL. We're selling almost as many guns to other FFLs as we are to individual buyers! I shipped our last Saiga-12 to a fellow FFL!

And yes, the supply-stream is TOTALLY cleaned out. Ellett Brothers, RSR Group, Centerfire Systems, Century Arms, Inter Ordinance...nobody has ANYTHING. No weapons, no mags, no spare parts, no ammo in any military chambering and damned little of -anything-, NOTHING. Numrich and Brownells are running out of spare parts! We're getting dribbles. One gun here, two guns there as they roll out from the factory. All of our distributors are saying it'll be mid-late January or early February before they're restocked: and of course there's at least an operable chance that most of the stuff we really want will be illegal by then. One distributor called us in raptures last week, delighted to be able to offer us -something-. The only thing he had to offer, the source of his excitement, was a pink Crickett .22LR.

And all this from a tiny converted house in the middle of the woods. I can't imagine what the last 8wks have been like for folks with bigger establishments, larger inventories, and more paperwork. We've run out of room in our filing cabinets for the in-house forms and 4473s.

And the thing is, a lot of these people (and I mean a LOT) are folks who never touched a "black rifle" before. But they're coming in and throwing down thousands of dollars for rifles, mags, and cases of ammo...all of which we then have to show them how to use. Lots of them are shooters, but many have never used such a weapon and may even not like them very much. But they're buying 'em now, at whatever price. We haven't had an AR or AK last 24 hours on GunBroker in over a month: we could price it at 3x normal retail and people would pay it: some dealers -are- pricing like that, and people -are- paying it!

Plan9

AR lowers, huh? Hmm, might be a good way to recover the losses on my IRA.

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Bear Cub

Man, I'd sell my Bushmaster DCM AR if I didn't love it so much.

Think I'm going to swing by Academy and buy myself a little Bersa Thunder .380 for a summertime CCW.

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longbough

I'm of the school of thought that you ought to invest in stripped lowers and magazines to get the most for your money. I already have some MEGA AR lowers and gobs o' magazines.

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Plan9

I can't even buy a Winchester 94 Ranger for a decent price these days.

I seriously hope the Cracker Craziness stops soon.

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Telluride

If you really wanted to stock up, my suggestion would be to get the two types of guns most commonly targeted by gun control advocates: handguns and assault rifles.

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KirStang

I bought a tonne of AR, AK and M14 magazines. *Maybe* if I could afford it, I'd get a second combo of AKs and ARs. Be nice to have two for fun if and when they outlaw such weapons....

POF-P308 in 16" config anybody? =D




Oooh, had my eye on one of these too:

STG 556

Telluride

It's cool, but it kinda looks like a toy gun.

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LoganSnake

I bet it kills like a real one.

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Plan9

Steyr AUG knockoff. Steyr AUGs are used by the Australian military.

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Cynosure

I saw that gun, and I immediately thought of a Steyr AUG and that long-blonde-haired villain in the original Die Hard movie.

The_Dunedan

The MSAR is a kickass piece. We've sold a tonne of 'em, and if anything they're a significant improvement on the AUG. We haven't had a chance to wrong one out past 300 meters yet, but Mom's USR (post-Ban AUG) shoots sub-MOA all the way out to 600, so I thinkin' these puppies will be pretty damned impressive if the level of concern MSAR's shown for the weapon translates into accuracy the way it has for fit/finish and handling. The Gen-IV version even accepts AUG magazines!

Zooksport2

So, concidering America hasn't been invaded (in the true sense of the word) in a 100 years, what do you need all this firepower for?

Don't get me wrong, please. I am all for the right to bear arms. But what are people afraid of?
I own a nice SMLE, and a couple of pistols, (which, in Oz can ONLY be used at an approved range).


Responsible gun ownership is not the art of accumulating dozens of weapons legally.



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Plan9

It's a hobby, guy. No different than how some guys play golf or collect stamps or bang mistresses.

My neighbor drives a Corvette. I have guns. What's the difference? None.

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Responsible ownership has nothing to do with quantity.

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new man

I would suggest that most of the gun purchasers are already previous gun owners and that the rate of gun ownership in the U.S. isn't really widening. But I did stop by and talk the person at the gun counter at the Big 5 in Spartanburg, SC, and he said one saturday they sold over 400 guns.

Plan9

Hah! I used to live right by there. Small world.

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The_Dunedan

Whatever we like. Let me see if I can dig up some pictures of The Wedding Reception, which would probably have made some of Slims' indiginous co-workers and antagonists feel right at home, since we shot our way through about 8,000 rounds of rifle ammo and 30lbs of Tannerite, plus two water tanks, three washing-machines, two stoves, five dryers, three dishwashers and one University-level mathematics textbook. Everybody got five rounds of ammo per turn on the firing line, and in the few seconds that occupied the noise was stupendous, continuous rapid rifle fire interspersed with cracking, thudding, lung-pounding explosions. Nothing like high explosives to really get a party moving along.

Very little. It's a short list, really, but the things that're -on- that list? They're worth being scared of.
As a somewhat benign-sounding case-in-point, let me present the following: rabid animals. In my part of the country, rabies is epidemic among skunks, possums, and raccoons. It's also present, though somewhat rarer, in coyotes, foxes, bobcats, and of course household pets. In one ten-day period in December, we killed no less than three rabid skunks: One shrugged off four hits to the chest and abdomen from a .40-calibre pistol before succumbing to a headshot, the other took seven rounds. In a separate incident, the third animal took six hits from CCI high-velocity .22 Magnums and four rounds of .40-calibre pistol fire before dying. I was the shooter in this last incident, and that animal died charging at me. My last round was meant to be a headshot, but missed when the skunk turned sideways and the bullet took it through the neck. Rabid animals, even small ones, can absorb an horrendous amount of damage and keep coming, because their nervous systems are totally haywire and they don't respond to pain as they normally would. Think about that: a skunk, an animal the size of a housecat, took four, five, or six rounds of a round designed to stop grown men NOW (Winchester Ranger 155gr. JHP). What would it take to kill a rabid dog? A handgun? I wouldn't take my .40 to that gunfight, that's for sure, and I'd feel undergunned with my late, lamented Model 29 .44Mag. A .460 would be about right, but I'd still want more for a rabid Boxer or God forbid a Catahoula. Those are the moments when a high-capacity centerfire rifle is a blessing. That MSAR up there would do the job nicely, though an FAL or M1A would be even better. A Saiga 12ga with a 10-round magazine full of 3" 000 buckshot would be just about ideal. Note: this load delivers projectiles-per-minute counts rivaling those of multibarrel cannon. There is -no- such thing as overkill with a rabid animal. -LOTS- of kinetic energy, RIGHTNOW, is the only way to deal with a situation like that, and it's an entirely common situation in which to find oneself in my neck of the middle of nowhere.

Now let's talk about what happens if you aren't able to stop that rabid skunk or dog, either because you're disarmed or underarmed. If you don't get treatment within 18hrs, you are going to die. Period. Very slowly, and in agonizing, irretrievable pain. It's possible that the insanity of terminal human Rabies allows the conscious mind to detach itself from the physical agony of the body, but since only one person in all of recorded history has ever survived untreated terminal Rabies, and this with serious brain damage, we can't know.

2400ppm sounds about right to me.

Quite correct. Responsible gun ownership is about safety, doing one's research, covering one's bases, and obeying Col. Cooper's Four Rules. The art of accumulating dozens of weapons is properly called, depending upon context; collecting, caching, casual buying or horse-trading. Collectors are, well, collecting things. Some guys collect machine-guns, we had a fellow on these boards for awhile who was the proud owner of something close to $500,000.00 worth of legal, registered machine-guns. Some folks collect certain rifles, or pistols by a certain maker, or rifles from a particular era. Americans in particular are fond of collecting not only their own military service rifles, but the service rifles of their ancestral homelands. Hence, one very gemutlich old German customer of ours owns every German service rifle from the Napoleonic Wars onwards, and also an example of every US service rifle since roughly the same period. Cachers are folks who own large quantities of weapons for sheer utility's sake: a .22 for small-game hunting, a shotgun or two, perhaps two or three .223- or .30-calibre rifles, which are frequently dual-purpose: deer-hunting with an SKS, for example. Lots of folks who tend to survivalism or at least self-sufficiency fall into this category. Casual buyers just pick up anything that strikes their eye or feels good in the hand. Frequently they'll be back to resell the gun in 6 months, or trade it in on the newest cool thing. We've had lots of folks bring back 2.5"-chambered Taurus "Judge" pistols to trade in on the 3"-chambered model, for example. Horse-traders are folks who enjoy trading guns around, bartering for favors or a boat or some transmission work. They'll frequently come in to browse for wampum guns, check out the latest edition of Kelly's Blue Book of Gun Values to see if they got a good deal on the boat or not, or enquire about the ancestry of some ancient thing they got in trade for their old, leaky bass-boat and can't identify.

KirStang

MUST HAVE. NOW.

Bastards keep snubbing my attempts to order a LWRC MRE M6A3 in 16"


Short Stroke gas piston, self cleaning AR, with adjustable gas valve...should be able to shoot sub MOA. And I love the factory brown anodizing.

I am going to get you, sonny. Just you wait.

Plan9

Who's snubbing you? Your credit card company?

It's a really pretty lookin' toy. I wonder if the buffer tube is of the reinforced variety. Looks vanilla to me.

That's a no-no on something that expensive.

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KirStang

Noo, I called LWRC and they told me, "we're swamped...can we call you back?"

And then they neglected to call me back.

So I emailed them. "Can I buy one?"

And they replied, "We're not doing direct sales. Please talk to a retailer."

So I emailed a retailer, "Hey, Can I order one?"

And they responded, "It isn't released yet. Sorry!"

Sigh.

Plan9

And you'll been OBAMA'D by all the other want-premium-and-desperate types later, I'd imagine.

Even the manufacturers!

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KirStang

Rawr. Pre-order motha-fucka!

Dude. I bought my M1A for $1700. Some dude offered me $2150...jeeze...

Can a brotha buy some .45ACP? Everyone's hogged the walmart supply

Plan9

Oh snap. I should go down to the safe and start seeing what "dangerous" stuff I can sell for cuts-thy-balls-off prices.

Where are you hocking your stuff? Certainly not a gun shop.

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KirStang

www.barf-fifteen.com

(AR15.COM) their equipment exchange is really active.