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Plan9 01-05-2008 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Suave
The legal system considers the use of a firearm akin to chopping off someone's head with a sword. You're not going to get a more lenient view on things because you just stab some dude in the gut instead of slicing his jugular open. In either case you will, in all likelihood, be considered to be using "lethal force" to defend yourself, as you used a lethal tool to do so. So long as the object is sharp, fires a high-velocity projectile, or really fucking big and heavy (e.g. a sledgehammer) I think it's safe to say that even one shot/jab/slice will be legally considered lethal force.

Sweet! Disagreement. I feel like I've been here before.

I know very little about the murky Jello that is the law. I'm not a lawyer. Yet.

I'd go and reference my previous comments as a response, but I'm lazy.

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Fruitless Rehash Tirade Time!

Facts from earlier:

A: (Useful) guns are more lethal and require minimal effort to use. Point and click.
B: Swords are not instantly lethal (operator dependent) and require physical effort to wield, they also require intimate contact and some level of physical ability.

I'm not talking about end results, I'm not talking about "experts" using them... I'm talking about the initial stance during a confrontation. Can a sword kill a man from across a room? No. A gun will do it every time. Controlled pair.

Anybody can use a gun. The bullet from grandma's gun is the same hard-hitting lethal projectile as the one from a Green Beret's gun. Inner city kids and senior citizen rednecks throw the same blows with their .357s.

Guns bring near equality to the self-defense table through ease and range.

This may change the opinion of the court / jury in a home defense situation.

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It's all opinion anyway. I'd consult "On Killing" by David Grossman if I was feeling all nitpicky, but I think this thread has really run a good course.

IMHO: Anybody that defends their house with a sword in the age of the Glock is a douchebag that deserves to be shot. Hell, haven't they seen that sword scene in that Indiana Jones flick? Get with it, people. Use a baseball bat, use a table leg, use a gun... don't try to be a ninja.

Unless you are a ninja and then just use your handy shuriken.

Willravel 01-05-2008 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Crompsin
Sweet! Disagreement.

I think TFP just found a new tag line.

Plan9 01-05-2008 09:57 PM

Amen, brother. Godsmack'd! For this thread I'm alive, for this thread I'm awake.

Suave 01-05-2008 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crompsin
Sweet! Disagreement.

<snip>
New official TFP tagline left in for posterity.

Yes, use of a sword would likely sway a jury, and probably against the sword-user. As you said, they are fucking antiquated. For someone to use something that seems so rare and archaic, they MUST have some vile ulterior intent, non?

Anyway, my original post about legal interpretation was from the point of view of legal folk (lawyers, judges) most likely. Though I could be slightly incorrect, as the legal system seems to have a hardon for demonizing firearms.

Plan9 01-05-2008 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Suave
Anyway, my original post about legal interpretation was from the point of view of legal folk (lawyers, judges) most likely. Though I could be slightly incorrect, as the legal system seems to have a hardon for demonizing firearms.

You're absolutely correct.

They demonize. They demonize everything and anything. Their job, ya know?

The difference in the gun / sword debate would be:

General End Result: DEAD BODY OF INTRUDER
How it got there:
A: Firearm. It was dark, I identified the intruder with a flashlight and shot twice.
B: Sword. It was dark, I identified the intruder with a flashlight and proceeded to exert barbaric force on them with a long, heavy blade until they died.

Which is more subtle? Which is more humane? Neither.

What do the masses generally believe? Your actual result.

Shown the crime scene photos, the gun looks more humane.

Once again... the sword is an intimate weapon and if there is one thing the uptight American yuppie can't stand... it is intimacy. The very idea of it.


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