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wombatman · 11-22-2005, 06:43 PM

I have 2 Netgear WGR614 wireless routers. I have a cable modem that the first router is connected to. There are 4 wired connections, one of which needs to be connected to the other router in a separate room. This is because the second router is going to be used for multiple wired connections as well as the wireless for the house. The first router is currently being used for wireless but doesn't provide a strong signal due to its location under my desk (next to the cable modem) and near a wireless phone.

The question is: how can I set up the second router to do the wired and wireless connections? It already has the wireless and wired settings from when it was hooked up to the modem directly. Now (in the other room), it does not provide a wired or wireless connection, although the laptop using the wireless card finds the wireless signal from it. Any help is much appreciated.

vanblah · 11-23-2005, 08:01 AM

I believe you can daisy chain most routers. Look up daisy chaining in your manual. I would assume you connect the WAN port (Uplink port) from one router to just a regular wired port on the other. I'm not sure what you have to do to the config in the routers to get it to work. It should be in your manual.

wombatman · 11-23-2005, 09:03 AM

Oh, that there was a manual....

Unfortunately, it comes with a 4 step deal, one of which is to remove the stuff from the box and one of which is to put in a CD they have (which just brings up an auto-configuration thing). I've actually got them daisy-chained, but it'd be really good if I could the second one to be the wireless access point as it would provide much better range due to its location.

samspade123 · 11-23-2005, 10:36 AM

I did the same thing in my house, but with two Linksys routers. I actually have two access points (name them different names). The laptop should connect to the one with the strongest signal. Also, shut off DHCP on one of them (most likely the remote one). If you have no connection at all wired or wireless from the second unit, check the cable. You will need a crossover cable if your unit does not support auto crossover (MDI / MDI-X).
Hope this helps.

Jinn · 11-23-2005, 10:48 AM

It sounds like a DHCP issue. I have a Motorola modem into a linksys wired router into a linksys wireless router. However, this won't work "out-of-the-box", because both routers are configured to assign a NAT IP address by default. You either have to turn one off, or as I did.. assign a different subnet for the second router. I set the wired router to be 192.168.1.1 and the wireless router to be 192.168.25.1. This way, the signal comes in from Adelphia, hits the first router, which assigns 192.168.1.[2-5] to the four ethernet ports, one of which is the wire to the wireless modem. The wireless modem converts 192.168.1.[2-5] to 192.168.25.[2-5] and sends those IPs to the wireless computers. It's then just reverse-translated on the way out. I'm pretty sure it was only one configuration change in the wireless router to accoimplish this.

I suck at networking so I can't really tell you this is the most optimal way, but it worked for me.

wombatman · 11-23-2005, 12:02 PM

That sounds like it should work Jinn, but you do know if I can change settings on my wireless router getting to it through the first router? That is, can I leave everything hooked up (modem -- wired router -- wireless router) and do the subnet changes? Also, am I changing the settings under LAN IP? That's where I'm seeing the DHCP server stuff with the range of values from 192.168.1.2 - 192.168.1.52.

Also, samspade, I can't shut off DHCP (I don't think) on the second router because I have one computer with a wired connection in addition to the desired wireless capabilities. If I'm wrong about the DHCP, please feel free to let me know.

Edit2: So I hooked up the second (wireless) router and attempted to change the DHCP range to 192.168.25.x and 192.168.0.x Neither of these would actually work. I click Apply, and the router looks to be changing things, but then it comes right back up with 192.168.1.1 - 52. Jinn, where do I need to make the subnet changes?

wombatman · 11-23-2005, 02:20 PM

Well, I finally found the answer here: http://forums.practicallynetworked.c...ead.php?t=6117

In short, you disable the DHCP of the downstream router (the second one) and give it an IP address outside of the DHCP range of the main router (the first one--IP address was 192.168.1.20 in my case). For the connection, you can use normal network cabling, but it has to go from LAN port to LAN port, rather than LAN to WAN/uplink. I now have both routers working perfectly, both wired and wireless. It's a beautiful thing!

Thanks to everyone for the helpful suggestions here.

11-22-2005, 06:43 PM	#1 (permalink)
wombatman Insane	Setting up routers I have 2 Netgear WGR614 wireless routers. I have a cable modem that the first router is connected to. There are 4 wired connections, one of which needs to be connected to the other router in a separate room. This is because the second router is going to be used for multiple wired connections as well as the wireless for the house. The first router is currently being used for wireless but doesn't provide a strong signal due to its location under my desk (next to the cable modem) and near a wireless phone. The question is: how can I set up the second router to do the wired and wireless connections? It already has the wireless and wired settings from when it was hooked up to the modem directly. Now (in the other room), it does not provide a wired or wireless connection, although the laptop using the wireless card finds the wireless signal from it. Any help is much appreciated.

11-23-2005, 10:36 AM	#4 (permalink)
samspade123 Insane	I did the same thing in my house, but with two Linksys routers. I actually have two access points (name them different names). The laptop should connect to the one with the strongest signal. Also, shut off DHCP on one of them (most likely the remote one). If you have no connection at all wired or wireless from the second unit, check the cable. You will need a crossover cable if your unit does not support auto crossover (MDI / MDI-X). Hope this helps. __________________ People in cars cause accidents, Accidents in cars cause people.

11-23-2005, 10:48 AM	#5 (permalink)
Jinn Lover - Protector - Teacher Location: Seattle, WA	It sounds like a DHCP issue. I have a Motorola modem into a linksys wired router into a linksys wireless router. However, this won't work "out-of-the-box", because both routers are configured to assign a NAT IP address by default. You either have to turn one off, or as I did.. assign a different subnet for the second router. I set the wired router to be 192.168.1.1 and the wireless router to be 192.168.25.1. This way, the signal comes in from Adelphia, hits the first router, which assigns 192.168.1.[2-5] to the four ethernet ports, one of which is the wire to the wireless modem. The wireless modem converts 192.168.1.[2-5] to 192.168.25.[2-5] and sends those IPs to the wireless computers. It's then just reverse-translated on the way out. I'm pretty sure it was only one configuration change in the wireless router to accoimplish this. I suck at networking so I can't really tell you this is the most optimal way, but it worked for me. __________________ "I'm typing on a computer of science, which is being sent by science wires to a little science server where you can access it. I'm not typing on a computer of philosophy or religion or whatever other thing you think can be used to understand the universe because they're a poor substitute in the role of understanding the universe which exists independent from ourselves." - Willravel

11-23-2005, 12:02 PM	#6 (permalink)
wombatman Insane	That sounds like it should work Jinn, but you do know if I can change settings on my wireless router getting to it through the first router? That is, can I leave everything hooked up (modem -- wired router -- wireless router) and do the subnet changes? Also, am I changing the settings under LAN IP? That's where I'm seeing the DHCP server stuff with the range of values from 192.168.1.2 - 192.168.1.52. Also, samspade, I can't shut off DHCP (I don't think) on the second router because I have one computer with a wired connection in addition to the desired wireless capabilities. If I'm wrong about the DHCP, please feel free to let me know. Edit2: So I hooked up the second (wireless) router and attempted to change the DHCP range to 192.168.25.x and 192.168.0.x Neither of these would actually work. I click Apply, and the router looks to be changing things, but then it comes right back up with 192.168.1.1 - 52. Jinn, where do I need to make the subnet changes? Last edited by wombatman; 11-23-2005 at 12:20 PM..

11-23-2005, 08:01 AM	#2 (permalink)
vanblah Junkie	I believe you can daisy chain most routers. Look up daisy chaining in your manual. I would assume you connect the WAN port (Uplink port) from one router to just a regular wired port on the other. I'm not sure what you have to do to the config in the routers to get it to work. It should be in your manual.

11-23-2005, 09:03 AM	#3 (permalink)
wombatman Insane	Oh, that there was a manual.... Unfortunately, it comes with a 4 step deal, one of which is to remove the stuff from the box and one of which is to put in a CD they have (which just brings up an auto-configuration thing). I've actually got them daisy-chained, but it'd be really good if I could the second one to be the wireless access point as it would provide much better range due to its location.

11-23-2005, 02:20 PM	#7 (permalink)
wombatman Insane	Well, I finally found the answer here: http://forums.practicallynetworked.c...ead.php?t=6117 In short, you disable the DHCP of the downstream router (the second one) and give it an IP address outside of the DHCP range of the main router (the first one--IP address was 192.168.1.20 in my case). For the connection, you can use normal network cabling, but it has to go from LAN port to LAN port, rather than LAN to WAN/uplink. I now have both routers working perfectly, both wired and wireless. It's a beautiful thing! Thanks to everyone for the helpful suggestions here.