Sty

I know a few ones that give you one but that's not enough. I need several and at least YahooBB has strict rule that only 1 address/modem.

Also other providers give this only if you subscribe their static IP service. This almost quadruples the cost which is also not acceptable.

I don't know when ISP's started to forget their agreement with regional authorities that clearly stipulate that I'm entitled to as many IP addresses that I need.

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bendsley

IP addresses under current IPV4 are running out. This is why you are restricted to one IP address and it costs much more to get more.

IPV6 is currently becoming more prevelent, and then we should not have problems again for quite a while.

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Sty

Bullshit. They're not running out, we fixed the problem with CIDR years ago.

They were running out 10 years ago.

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catback

Sure right, CIDR never fixed the number of address's just the number of networks/subnets. The number of address's is still limited to 4,294,967,296 total with even less available to be used as regular ip address'. IPv6 was created for a reason and that was to overcome the ever growing ip address shortage. IPv6 has approx 340,282,366,920,938,463,463,374,607,431,770,000,000 address's, theoretically that should fix the shortage while allowing for more IP's per house/apartment. IP's for things like your refrigerator, stove, tv, cellphone, printer, and other stuff.

Sty

It fixed the problem there, the problem of some organizations assigned /8 when they actually needed /21.

We've received most of the address space back which was foolishy allocated and subsequently re-allocated back to RIRs, hence the *actually availabe* IP space grew to accomodate the future growth.

We're not running out of v4, not in the next 10-15 years. After that, we might have v6 rolled out in a meaningful way. I got my first v6 allocation back in 2001.

Granted, the problem if running out v4 is there, but the limit was pushed back nicely to accomodate growth.

But this discussion is OT from the title and as such, doesn't need to be continued. I deserve my /30 or /29 because I have real need for that, in my apartment.

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oberon

10-15 years? You might be a little optimistic, methinks. Granted, though, there's still around 25% or so of the address space unallocated. I think your problem is mostly related to how ICANN treats RIRs other than ARIN. I usually don't have a problem getting more IP space fairly cheap (or free). In the US, there are many ISPs that cater to "power users" and don't assume their users don't care about how many IPs they have.

Fortunately, the global IPv6 network is getting a lot better, especially in the US and Europe. Large networks have already deployed them, and the number and quality of the peering arrangements over IPv6 have gotten a lot better only in the last two years. Unfortunately, there still remains the major question of how to bring it to end users. I've had IPv6 access since 2000, but what kind of work will a normal person do to be brought onto an IPv6 network?

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Sty

The APNIC policy around here is similar to RIPE's and ARIN's. Which means basically that ISP's aren't supposedly 'legally' allowed to take monthly rent from things they don't own. Unfortunately for the users anywhere, ISP's mostly ignore this point, especially here. I've been throwing around the idea of founding a new ISP here. Not a big deal, you just need the money :/ Been there, done that before. And I can tell that becoming a LIR was maybe the easiest part.

Here in .jp it's even worse, since there seems to be now way a residential user can get more than 1 IP, not even by subscribing an SOHO connection.

I hope majority of application providers are going to implement the necessary things to get their apps communicate with IPv6 as I see that as the single biggest obstacle. Unix apps have done that already to a greater extent, I think my first v6 connection was when we got the v6 irc server up Boy my reverse looked weird for majority of masses. Peering is simple after that as you know.

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