OOoooh yeah ladies! Here comes Tiger! - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

brandon11983 · 04-12-2005, 09:06 AM

Apple has finally announced the release date of Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger! It pounces (sorry, I had to) onto shelves on April 29th! I can't wait. I'm gonna make a trek downtown to the Apple Store this weekend and preorder that baby!

liquidlight · 04-12-2005, 09:22 AM

So many insults to choose from. . .

I'll be good, what new "features" are they packaging with Tiger? And have they come up with any games for these things yet?

Redlemon · 04-12-2005, 09:45 AM

Why not pre-order from Amazon, they have a nice $35 rebate. And, there ain't no way I'm installing it until a month or so after the release date.

Redlemon · 04-12-2005, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by liquidlight

So many insults to choose from. . .

I'll be good, what new "features" are they packaging with Tiger?

Your restraint is appreciated

; here's the Apple list of 200+ New Features.

sadistikdreams · 04-12-2005, 12:19 PM

Rawr.

Games? OSX has always had tetris. Built in.

VitaminH · 04-12-2005, 12:58 PM

Got the email from Apple today. I'm very excited about this myself. I'll exercise my student discount and get it at UIC's computer store on release day. Yum yum.

P.S. Does anyone know if Apple bought out Konfabulator to create this Dashboard thing or is it just the same basic idea? I'm assuming they bought the rights since they're calling the things widgits but I was curious...

Redlemon · 04-12-2005, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by VitaminH

P.S. Does anyone know if Apple bought out Konfabulator to create this Dashboard thing or is it just the same basic idea? I'm assuming they bought the rights since they're calling the things widgits but I was curious...

They did not buy the rights. There was a whole dustup about this when it was first announced; the best analysis was at Daring Fireball: Dashboard vs. Konfabulator, which basically says that Apple is in the right on this one. The technologies appear similar, but Konfabulator is essentially Desk Accessories from what, Mac OS 6? Something like that.

VitaminH · 04-12-2005, 05:22 PM

Ahhh it all becomes clear now, thanks for the info Redlemon.

brandon11983 · 04-12-2005, 08:06 PM

I wonder if they're gonna make a big fuss and give out a bunch of free shit with it? I remember back in the day when XP was released, everyone was giving insane deals on other products if you bought them with XP.

rubicon · 04-13-2005, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by sadistikdreams

Games? OSX has always had tetris. Built in.

Apparently the primary requirement to owning a computer is playing games on it. I didn't get that memo.

You can get many of the new games for the Mac, although I doubt Windows people really follow the news. Interestingly, a recent poll on MacRumors about Mac gaming indicated only 14% of people play games on their Macs.

Probably because they have better things to do with their time.

sadistikdreams · 04-13-2005, 12:13 PM

Well la-dee-da.

bendsley · 04-13-2005, 12:40 PM

This was just released on slashdot, but worth mentioning I though.

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Well this has too many juicy Mac OS X nuggets in one bag! All details are on this page, but I'll summarise. Apparently Amit Singh discovered a 10+ year old serious bug in OS X. The bug started in Nextstep and is still in Panther (and apparently Tiger, too). Then Amit wrote a program to demo the bug, but also made the program capable of hiding what it does using some complicated Mach kernel voodo! He then threw a challenge open to OS X experts to figure out the bug. It turns out that a week and some 1000 downloads later, three brilliant hackers (Alexy Proskuryakov, Andrew Wellington, Graham Dennis) were able to solve the puzzle. Also looks like other than these guys, nobody got anywhere with the problem. Be ready for extremely gory details of how the program was written and how it was decoded. Its a thrilling read, and OS X hacking doesn't get any more hardcore than this! Hopefully Apple fixes this bug now at last."

Slashdot link:
http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?si...&tid=179&tid=3

brandon11983 · 04-13-2005, 07:24 PM

A note for students interested in getting Tiger (like me): Apple is offering Tiger for $69 to students!! Thats awesome and makes it even more attractive. I would gladly shell out the $129 for Tiger, but this helps a broke-as-hell college student just a little bit more.

rubicon · 04-14-2005, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by sadistikdreams

Well la-dee-da.

lol ;-)

t3m3st · 04-16-2005, 09:30 PM

Doom 3 doesnt count i guess...

Willravel · 04-16-2005, 09:48 PM

<---Read and memorized ALL the new features. Preordered the first day. I can't freaking wait.

VitaminH · 04-29-2005, 12:58 PM

Alright!! Who's got it? First impressions? Should I run downtown to the apple store today and buy it or what?!?!

VitaminH · 04-29-2005, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by brandon11983

A note for students interested in getting Tiger (like me): Apple is offering Tiger for $69 to students!! Thats awesome and makes it even more attractive. I would gladly shell out the $129 for Tiger, but this helps a broke-as-hell college student just a little bit more.

Well even though no one responded I ran out downtown to the apple store anyway. Waited in line for 1.5 hours to get in, only to get myself a copy and wait in another long line at the registers, and then finally to be told my student discount was no good on software in store and I had to buy it online. Boy is that a disappointment. Espcially since I've bought ipods and other harware there with my discount. I wonder why no software in the retail stores?

Guess I'll have to wait.

shadowalker · 04-29-2005, 06:18 PM

Lets not forget.

Apple Computer has been slapped with a lawsuit by Tiger Direct Inc. for allegedly infringing its trademark with the new Mac OS X "Tiger'' operating system scheduled for release on Friday.

Code:

http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1039

bendsley · 04-29-2005, 06:23 PM

I've been using it on a single proc. G4 and a dual proc. G4 for about a week and a half. It sure was a pain in the ass getting it to authenticate through Active Directory and then having to edit the registry on the F&P server to show the home directory on the apple machine.

Grrr. I worked on this all day and have it mostly figured out.

Tiger seems to be pretty smooth. The Dashboard looks like it was completely stolen from Konfabulator. Also, TigerDirect is suing Apple over the name Tiger as TigerDirect owns the trademark for it. I guess we'll see what happens there.

I liked playing with Tiger for the past several days. As I am not a "mac" person, because I usually use Linux on x86 processors, I would recommend it to someone else for sure. The downside to me sayying that is that I haven't played with the older Mac software (10.x +). I did however put in to get me a dual G5 machine up at work for me to play with. Something like $4600 or so, so I hope I'm not dissappointed. I doubt I will be.

Ruse · 04-29-2005, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by VitaminH

Well even though no one responded I ran out downtown to the apple store anyway. Waited in line for 1.5 hours to get in, only to get myself a copy and wait in another long line at the registers, and then finally to be told my student discount was no good on software in store and I had to buy it online. Boy is that a disappointment. Espcially since I've bought ipods and other harware there with my discount. I wonder why no software in the retail stores?

Guess I'll have to wait.

Yeah... same damn thing happened to me. I just got my laptop a week or so ago and I got a paper with it for the Up-to-date program where I get Tiger for $10. When I bought the laptop I was told to just come back into the store and pick up a copy when it came out or to mail it in with a cashiers check, etc. Well, I went today and waited in line ( for 2 damn hours ) to find out that Ill need to send it in to be able to get it for $10.

Looks like Ill be running it sometime by next week.. maybe..

VitaminH · 04-30-2005, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruse

Yeah... same damn thing happened to me. I just got my laptop a week or so ago and I got a paper with it for the Up-to-date program where I get Tiger for $10. When I bought the laptop I was told to just come back into the store and pick up a copy when it came out or to mail it in with a cashiers check, etc. Well, I went today and waited in line ( for 2 damn hours ) to find out that Ill need to send it in to be able to get it for $10.

Looks like Ill be running it sometime by next week.. maybe..

It's pretty frustrating eh? I totally had my hopes up standing out in line in downtown Chicago with a friend waiting for the damn store to let us in, only to be shot down at the register. Talk about anti-climactic, and I was already having a bad day

. Anywho, my university computer store usually stocks some copies at the discounted rate + a $3 stocking or somesuch fee, so I'm going to give them a shot Monday morning before my first final. That'll be just what I need during finals week...not a distraction at all...heh.

TrevDigital · 04-30-2005, 11:42 PM

Now, I dont have a mac but I've had my eye on them more and more lately.

It didn't seem like many of the 200 updates were that significant. Also, I read that Apple has been updating OS X once a year and charging 140 each.

That kinda sucks.

Derwood · 05-01-2005, 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by rubicon

Apparently the primary requirement to owning a computer is playing games on it. I didn't get that memo.

You can get many of the new games for the Mac, although I doubt Windows people really follow the news. Interestingly, a recent poll on MacRumors about Mac gaming indicated only 14% of people play games on their Macs.

Probably because they have better things to do with their time.

Or, only 14% were actually successful in tracking down a game for the system.

Ruse · 05-01-2005, 08:28 AM

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...so I'm going to give them a shot Monday morning before my first final. That'll be just what I need during finals week...not a distraction at all...heh.

Heh yeah, thats going to be tricky. I havnt even thought about finals but theyre comming up next week. Damn. I guess Ill have to hold off a little bit but Ill get to play with it more soon enough.

powerclown · 05-05-2005, 10:10 AM

Took the plunge...back on a Mac for the first time in 4 years.
Decided to pass up on the Mini, so got a $300 G4/400 Sawtooth on eBay and upgraded it to 640MB RAM, added a Radeon 9000 Pro videocard, an 80GB HD, and a 2-button mouse...runs great. Added a Linksys router, and networked to my XP box.

(Still confused as to why there are 3 Library folders, 3 different font folders, etc...)

Bratwurst · 05-05-2005, 03:29 PM

Be careful if anyone uses cisco vpn software on their current mac and then upgrades to Tiger. The two don't work together. So if you have a Mac laptop you use for traveling and connecting back to your office via cisco vpn, you might want to wait a couple weeks before updating. Cisco says they'll have a fix by then. I ran into this today when a very high up guy at my work decided to update his home computer and now he can't access the network on weekends.

Here's an article about it:

Cisco Reports VPN Conflict with Tiger

hrandani · 05-05-2005, 05:49 PM

The quality of macs (perhaps it's all computers but it's really obvious with macintosh, as they used to have a much higher standard) has really been going down. I know a lot of people who have had problems with the mini's, and as far as gamers go, I think that might be most people I know who game bought a PC for gaming

That has to do partially with limited releases on macintosh platform, and partially to do with (mac users hate it when I say this) poorer hardware.

brandon11983 · 05-05-2005, 10:14 PM

That couldn't be farther from the truth. Take a look at a G5 and you'll change your tune. I changed mine. I was an absolute dyed in the wool PC guy before I took a trip to an Apple Store. Its just an all around better platform. (I'll fight anyone to the death on this) Apple's attention to details is second to none. They pay attention to the little things while not losing focus of the big picture. Take a typical LCD panel and try to angle it just how you want it. More often than not, it ends up pretty close one way or the other to where you want it. Apple paid attention to this and their flat panels move smoothly and stop exactly where you want it to. Apple is not going downhill at all. Their business is booming and they currently hold their largest market share ever at 3.6%. The iPod shuffle just took a 58% market share in the flash based digital audio player market (a market they just broke into a few months ago with the introduction of the iPod shuffle) Tiger is the most significant update to OS X since its release. Apple has again succeeded in making the OS work faster on the same hardware. Apple has given us a plethora of updates and fucntionality enhancements that makes operation easier and more efficient. Microsoft had really better reconsider removing the WinFS file system from Longhorn because it doesn't seem to have much to offer without it. The new Start Menu alone is a clusterfuck from hell.

bendsley · 05-06-2005, 05:19 AM

Windows Longhorn Build 5048 really isn't all that bad. I'm not arguing for Windows, because I only run Windows on one machine for work. But. the start menu hasn't changed that I have noticed, except the graphics.

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succeeded in making the OS work faster on the same hardware

I hope you aren't comparing Mac hardware and PC hardware here. You can't.

Redlemon · 05-06-2005, 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by bendsley

I hope you aren't comparing Mac hardware and PC hardware here. You can't.

No, what he's saying is that the same Mac on OS 10.4 will run faster than on OS 10.3.

brandon11983 · 05-06-2005, 07:39 AM

Exactly. And the new Start Menu I saw had some goofy folder within a folder looking architecture.

rubicon · 05-14-2005, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Derwood

Or, only 14% were actually successful in tracking down a game for the system.

Gotta love the fact that Microsoft is demoing Xbox 360 games on Mac G5 systems. http://news.com.com/2100-1043-5706658.html?tag=tb.

This doesn't mean squat re. gaming on the Mac platform but it certainly raises awareness of the PowerPC platform and undoubtedly some people will want to learn more about Macs. It may also encourage developers to port games from Xbox 360 to the Mac.

We'll see.

Church · 05-14-2005, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by rubicon

Interestingly, a recent poll on MacRumors about Mac gaming indicated only 14% of people play games on their Macs.

...or because Mac's don't have a large enough library to present anything good to the gaming community. And don't get me wrong, I'm typing this on a Mac as we speak, but I still prefer my PC over this thing.

CityOfAngels · 05-15-2005, 12:17 AM

Funny how just about all of those "features" are things that any Mac user would consider to be useless. Apple should stick to their main selling point by constructing computers that can't do anything besides run Photoshop and call it "user-friendly."

P.S. This just reminds me; I was in the Apple store on 3rd St. Promenade a couple days ago, and was greatly amused to see games as old as Halo being marketed for the Mac.

brandon11983 · 05-15-2005, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by CityOfAngels

Funny how just about all of those "features" are things that any Mac user would consider to be useless. Apple should stick to their main selling point by constructing computers that can't do anything besides run Photoshop and call it "user-friendly."

P.S. This just reminds me; I was in the Apple store on 3rd St. Promenade a couple days ago, and was greatly amused to see games as old as Halo being marketed for the Mac.

You obviously aren't a Mac user. Tiger has been the most feature laden update to OS X yet and is loaded with features that we use every day. To this day, I still don't understand why you guys cling to those technologically outdated PC's.

bendsley · 05-15-2005, 07:38 PM

Technology outdated PCs? or do you mean technology outdated operating systems? The hardware isn't that much different. There are 64-bit processors for the PC platform.

I use linux as my OS of choice, which I think is highly more configurable than the OS X software. Actually though, I did just order a dual 2.7GHz machine for work. I think the first order of business will be to get OS X off and install Yellow Dog Linux.

brandon11983 · 05-15-2005, 09:32 PM

Mostly the OS. I know there are 64 bit processors on x86. I just had to take a quick stab...

sadistikdreams · 05-16-2005, 12:13 PM

Well, I upgraded this weekend. Fuckin fantastic system, great ui, and the automator makes my life beautiful.

t3m3st · 05-18-2005, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by CityOfAngels

P.S. This just reminds me; I was in the Apple store on 3rd St. Promenade a couple days ago, and was greatly amused to see games as old as Halo being marketed for the Mac.

I'm sorry... Do you mean it was on the shelf, or did they have a giant cardboard Halo display and it was playing on every computer and sales reps tried to push you into buying this cool new game?

Otherwise, I can make a crack about going to EB and seeing that they had games as old as Mechwarrior 2...

04-12-2005, 09:06 AM	#1 (permalink)
brandon11983 Stereophonic Location: Chitown!!	OOoooh yeah ladies! Here comes Tiger! Apple has finally announced the release date of Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger! It pounces (sorry, I had to) onto shelves on April 29th! I can't wait. I'm gonna make a trek downtown to the Apple Store this weekend and preorder that baby! __________________ Well behaved women rarely make history.

04-12-2005, 09:22 AM	#2 (permalink)
liquidlight AHH! Custom Title!! Location: The twisted warpings of my brain.	So many insults to choose from. . . I'll be good, what new "features" are they packaging with Tiger? And have they come up with any games for these things yet? __________________ Halfway to hell and picking up speed.

04-12-2005, 09:45 AM	#3 (permalink)
Redlemon Devoted Donor Location: New England	Why not pre-order from Amazon, they have a nice $35 rebate. And, there ain't no way I'm installing it until a month or so after the release date. __________________ I can't read your signature. Sorry.

04-12-2005, 12:19 PM	#5 (permalink)
sadistikdreams lonely rolling star Location: Seattle.	Rawr. Games? OSX has always had tetris. Built in. __________________ "Besides the noble art of getting things done, there is the noble art of leaving things undone. The wisdom of life consists in the elimination of non-essentials." -Lin Yutang hearts, by d.a.

04-12-2005, 12:58 PM	#6 (permalink)
VitaminH An embarrassment to myself and those around me... Location: Pants	Got the email from Apple today. I'm very excited about this myself. I'll exercise my student discount and get it at UIC's computer store on release day. Yum yum. P.S. Does anyone know if Apple bought out Konfabulator to create this Dashboard thing or is it just the same basic idea? I'm assuming they bought the rights since they're calling the things widgits but I was curious... __________________ "Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever." - Napoleon Bonaparte

04-12-2005, 05:22 PM	#8 (permalink)
VitaminH An embarrassment to myself and those around me... Location: Pants	Ahhh it all becomes clear now, thanks for the info Redlemon. __________________ "Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever." - Napoleon Bonaparte

04-12-2005, 08:06 PM	#9 (permalink)
brandon11983 Stereophonic Location: Chitown!!	I wonder if they're gonna make a big fuss and give out a bunch of free shit with it? I remember back in the day when XP was released, everyone was giving insane deals on other products if you bought them with XP. __________________ Well behaved women rarely make history.

04-13-2005, 12:13 PM	#11 (permalink)
sadistikdreams lonely rolling star Location: Seattle.	Well la-dee-da. __________________ "Besides the noble art of getting things done, there is the noble art of leaving things undone. The wisdom of life consists in the elimination of non-essentials." -Lin Yutang hearts, by d.a.

04-13-2005, 07:24 PM	#13 (permalink)
brandon11983 Stereophonic Location: Chitown!!	A note for students interested in getting Tiger (like me): Apple is offering Tiger for $69 to students!! Thats awesome and makes it even more attractive. I would gladly shell out the $129 for Tiger, but this helps a broke-as-hell college student just a little bit more. __________________ Well behaved women rarely make history.

04-16-2005, 09:30 PM	#15 (permalink)
t3m3st Vroom! Location: Toronto	Doom 3 doesnt count i guess... __________________ I do it for the rare drops

04-16-2005, 09:48 PM	#16 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	<---Read and memorized ALL the new features. Preordered the first day. I can't freaking wait.

04-29-2005, 12:58 PM	#17 (permalink)
VitaminH An embarrassment to myself and those around me... Location: Pants	Alright!! Who's got it? First impressions? Should I run downtown to the apple store today and buy it or what?!?! __________________ "Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever." - Napoleon Bonaparte

04-29-2005, 06:18 PM	#19 (permalink)
shadowalker Psycho Location: Firefox yourself and change the world!	Lets not forget. Apple Computer has been slapped with a lawsuit by Tiger Direct Inc. for allegedly infringing its trademark with the new Mac OS X "Tiger'' operating system scheduled for release on Friday. Code: http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1039 __________________ I'll make ya famous!

04-29-2005, 06:23 PM	#20 (permalink)
bendsley Professional Loafer Location: texas	I've been using it on a single proc. G4 and a dual proc. G4 for about a week and a half. It sure was a pain in the ass getting it to authenticate through Active Directory and then having to edit the registry on the F&P server to show the home directory on the apple machine. Grrr. I worked on this all day and have it mostly figured out. Tiger seems to be pretty smooth. The Dashboard looks like it was completely stolen from Konfabulator. Also, TigerDirect is suing Apple over the name Tiger as TigerDirect owns the trademark for it. I guess we'll see what happens there. I liked playing with Tiger for the past several days. As I am not a "mac" person, because I usually use Linux on x86 processors, I would recommend it to someone else for sure. The downside to me sayying that is that I haven't played with the older Mac software (10.x +). I did however put in to get me a dual G5 machine up at work for me to play with. Something like $4600 or so, so I hope I'm not dissappointed. I doubt I will be. __________________ "You hear the one about the fella who died, went to the pearly gates? St. Peter let him in. Sees a guy in a suit making a closing argument. Says, "Who's that?" St. Peter says, "Oh, that's God. Thinks he's Denny Crane."

04-30-2005, 11:42 PM	#23 (permalink)
TrevDigital Upright	Now, I dont have a mac but I've had my eye on them more and more lately. It didn't seem like many of the 200 updates were that significant. Also, I read that Apple has been updating OS X once a year and charging 140 each. That kinda sucks.

05-05-2005, 10:10 AM	#26 (permalink)
powerclown Junkie Location: Detroit, MI	Took the plunge...back on a Mac for the first time in 4 years. Decided to pass up on the Mini, so got a $300 G4/400 Sawtooth on eBay and upgraded it to 640MB RAM, added a Radeon 9000 Pro videocard, an 80GB HD, and a 2-button mouse...runs great. Added a Linksys router, and networked to my XP box. (Still confused as to why there are 3 Library folders, 3 different font folders, etc...) Last edited by powerclown; 05-14-2005 at 07:00 PM..

05-05-2005, 03:29 PM	#27 (permalink)
Bratwurst Insane Location: La la land	Be careful if anyone uses cisco vpn software on their current mac and then upgrades to Tiger. The two don't work together. So if you have a Mac laptop you use for traveling and connecting back to your office via cisco vpn, you might want to wait a couple weeks before updating. Cisco says they'll have a fix by then. I ran into this today when a very high up guy at my work decided to update his home computer and now he can't access the network on weekends. Here's an article about it: Cisco Reports VPN Conflict with Tiger __________________ 40

05-05-2005, 05:49 PM	#28 (permalink)
hrandani Insane	The quality of macs (perhaps it's all computers but it's really obvious with macintosh, as they used to have a much higher standard) has really been going down. I know a lot of people who have had problems with the mini's, and as far as gamers go, I think that might be most people I know who game bought a PC for gaming That has to do partially with limited releases on macintosh platform, and partially to do with (mac users hate it when I say this) poorer hardware.

05-05-2005, 10:14 PM	#29 (permalink)
brandon11983 Stereophonic Location: Chitown!!	That couldn't be farther from the truth. Take a look at a G5 and you'll change your tune. I changed mine. I was an absolute dyed in the wool PC guy before I took a trip to an Apple Store. Its just an all around better platform. (I'll fight anyone to the death on this) Apple's attention to details is second to none. They pay attention to the little things while not losing focus of the big picture. Take a typical LCD panel and try to angle it just how you want it. More often than not, it ends up pretty close one way or the other to where you want it. Apple paid attention to this and their flat panels move smoothly and stop exactly where you want it to. Apple is not going downhill at all. Their business is booming and they currently hold their largest market share ever at 3.6%. The iPod shuffle just took a 58% market share in the flash based digital audio player market (a market they just broke into a few months ago with the introduction of the iPod shuffle) Tiger is the most significant update to OS X since its release. Apple has again succeeded in making the OS work faster on the *same hardware. Apple has given us a plethora of updates and fucntionality enhancements that makes operation easier and more efficient. Microsoft had really better reconsider removing the WinFS file system from Longhorn because it doesn't seem to have much to offer without it. The new Start Menu alone is a clusterfuck from hell. __________________ Well behaved women rarely make history. Last edited by brandon11983; 05-05-2005 at 10:18 PM..*

05-06-2005, 07:39 AM	#32 (permalink)
brandon11983 Stereophonic Location: Chitown!!	Exactly. And the new Start Menu I saw had some goofy folder within a folder looking architecture. __________________ Well behaved women rarely make history.

05-15-2005, 07:38 PM	#37 (permalink)
bendsley Professional Loafer Location: texas	Technology outdated PCs? or do you mean technology outdated operating systems? The hardware isn't that much different. There are 64-bit processors for the PC platform. I use linux as my OS of choice, which I think is highly more configurable than the OS X software. Actually though, I did just order a dual 2.7GHz machine for work. I think the first order of business will be to get OS X off and install Yellow Dog Linux. __________________ "You hear the one about the fella who died, went to the pearly gates? St. Peter let him in. Sees a guy in a suit making a closing argument. Says, "Who's that?" St. Peter says, "Oh, that's God. Thinks he's Denny Crane."

05-15-2005, 09:32 PM	#38 (permalink)
brandon11983 Stereophonic Location: Chitown!!	Mostly the OS. I know there are 64 bit processors on x86. I just had to take a quick stab... __________________ Well behaved women rarely make history.

05-16-2005, 12:13 PM	#39 (permalink)
sadistikdreams lonely rolling star Location: Seattle.	Well, I upgraded this weekend. Fuckin fantastic system, great ui, and the automator makes my life beautiful. __________________ "Besides the noble art of getting things done, there is the noble art of leaving things undone. The wisdom of life consists in the elimination of non-essentials." -Lin Yutang hearts, by d.a.