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Mondak · 04-23-2003, 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TwoToTango
I won't buy anything made by Toshiba. I
crossed them off the list years ago when
they sold classified U.S. milling technology
to the (then) USSR, enabling the ruskies to
build much quieter submarine propellers.
With a brother serving in the USN at the time,
I decided that people who were increasing
the risk of his getting torpedoed weren't
going to get any money from me.

I clicked on this link with the intension of making exactally that point. Agreed. Bastards. Thanks for endangering my life for a few bucks scum.

Ganguro · 04-24-2003, 06:48 AM

At my job.. we have problems with the apple products all the time.. their solution for anything wrong with OS9.. "get os X".. that's now what we are paying them for!!..fix it dammit.

Also HP products are crap..home and office products.. qll our printers on campus are HP and we constantly have problems with them. Plus everytime a toner runs out.. it's 50 bucks. A busy lab around finals can go through 10 toners a day. If a little rubber roller breaks.. 10 bucks.. just little shit you have to buy from them because of proprietary hardware.

Dont get me started on Compaqs.. there is a reason the school paid to terminate their contract with them 2 years early... They were more trouble than they were worth.

crashoverride · 04-24-2003, 07:04 AM

IBM: agree to many failure

e-machines: not upgradable and low quality

pre-build computer: all junk except Dell

Intel: get amd cheaper and faster

Lexmark (older printer): two print cartridge = retail price of the printer

epson printer: too hungry in ink, my friend had to buy new inks every month.

Artec DVD: the worst error correction

Elitegroup mobo: worst quality I ever had

3com cable modem: you can cook eggs on it

crashoverride · 04-24-2003, 07:07 AM

Originally posted by TwoToTango
I won't buy anything made by Toshiba. I
crossed them off the list years ago when
they sold classified U.S. milling technology
to the (then) USSR, enabling the ruskies to
build much quieter submarine propellers.
With a brother serving in the USN at the time,
I decided that people who were increasing
the risk of his getting torpedoed weren't
going to get any money from me.

what is the problem?
toshiba is not a us company. it's japanese and they are good old friends with the ruskies.

TwoToTango · 04-24-2003, 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by crashoverride
what is the problem?
toshiba is not a us company. it's japanese and they are good old friends with the ruskies.

No, it's not a US company. It's a company
that took money from the US to produce
classified military equipment. And then
turned around a sold it to the enemy, in
violation of the terms of their employment.

That's still wrong, wherever your corporate
headquarters happen to lie. And it put lives
in danger.

Many people in the world couldn't give a rip
about the safety of American sailors. If you're
one of them, Toshiba makes some good
stuff. By all means shop with them. I won't.

see also Mondak and Peetster.

TwoToTango · 04-24-2003, 08:22 AM

"The punishment for violations of this law can be severe. The West German subsidiary of Digital Equipment Corporation was fined $1.5 million for allowing sophisticated computers to be shipped to the Soviet Union. Toshiba Machine Tool Company of Japan sold milling machines to the Soviet Union to make ultraquiet submarine propellers. The technology for the milling machines was licensed to the Japanese company by a U.S. company and sale to the Soviet Union was forbidden. Besides sanctions against Toshiba in Japan for violation of Japanese law, the U.S. Trade Bill of 1988 specifically banned all government purchases from Toshiba Corporation, parent company of Toshiba Machine Company, for three years. The estimated losses were approximately 3 percent of the company's total exports to the United States annually."

From http://www.ais.msstate.edu/age/lesson9/uslaws.html

Sorry all, didn't mean to thread-jack when
I first replied. I'm actually kinda surprised
to get so many responses. I'll go look at
some naked ladies for a while now.

spankthru · 04-24-2003, 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rinndalir

Also, any keyboard with Windows keys, god how I hate them...actually any keyboard that's NOT an IBM Model M (or something just as tough)...sigh they just don't make em like they used to...

<br>
Dammit, I used to have an IBM Model M. Dammit, Dammit, I shouldn't of given it away! Dammit.<br>
And also, HP is a pain in the balls and ass for warranty replacement. It took them 3 months to get our 2 month old printer replaced with a refurbished peice of crap that was slower and louder.

happymaan · 04-29-2003, 11:38 PM

Anything by Real Corp. I wish real video never caught on. I shutter having to still use their products to watch my space ghost videos years from now.

chodarama · 04-29-2003, 11:52 PM

HP can go play hide and go fuck themselves. I really had no reason to be pissed of at them before but yesterday they really made me angry. Basically, they wouldn't sell me a component for a printer because the part was mysteriously "unavailable." Not out of stock mind you, but "unavailable." The HP rep hadn't ever seen this "status code" before. I had ordered a printer with that component over two months ago, and they kept delaying shipping by saying the component will be in by the end of next month. So, I waited. Called them up today and the component is still unavailable. I did some searching on google after getting the specific part number and found that they were offering it with a cheaper model for free! Essentially, they won't sell me the damn $600 component, but they will give it away for free to someone buying a cheaper printer!

wg2000 · 04-30-2003, 04:40 PM

Quote:

7. IBM is the devil, even though their Canadian head office is in my town...

I don't know why so many people have bought IBM hard drives. I didn't even know they made IDE hard drives until I heard people complaining about them. In the last 2 years especially I've heard nothing but bad things about them (DLTA or GXP anyone?).

burgesoft777 · 05-01-2003, 11:52 AM

I bought a zip drive from one of our local stores at a fraction of the normal price becuse the power supply was missing, I knew what voltage I needed to run the external drive but there was nothing to indicate which way the connection needed to be made ie positive or negative to pin.
I e-mailed the manufactor's site for advice explained that I needed to know which way round to connect said drive but was repeataly messed around they simply wouldn't tell me becuse they wanted to sell me a new power supply of their own this went on for about 4 days by the end of which I was so pissed off with zip drives that I guesed the connection and got it right the drive works fine but I never use it becuse it winds me up to think about the shoddy treatment I got..by the way as i pointed out to imega any well damped 12 volt supply will do just fine ..

Ganguro · 05-01-2003, 12:12 PM

hah iomega zip drives are shit.
Enjoy your "click of death"
i wouldnt put anything valuable on their media..

Phat Bank · 05-01-2003, 01:20 PM

I won't buy anything from Formac. I couldn't believe it when they decided not to develop OS X drivers for the Formac Pro TV tuner card. There's some open-source development going on that might get it to work, but it's in early early beta.

I e-mailed Formac with the suggestion that they release the last stable OS 9 drivers to the open source community. Surely someone would do the Carbon/Cocoa port for them, but no go.

Dicks.

Konichiwaneko · 05-01-2003, 03:44 PM

I won't buy anything from Packard Bell.

On a serious note though, the only company I'm not a fan of is Soyo. I personally had horrible luck with their motherboards.

I'm a big Abit fan.

Also I'm tired of how Fragile AMD cpu's are. I've built lots of amd machine, and man...every p4 machine I build is a lot funner and easier to put together.

Easier as in not worrying about cracking cores, not having to deal with the socket a heat sink retention mechanism, and most importantly not having to use those annoyingly whiney amd stock fans.

cj22009 · 05-01-2003, 04:45 PM

I dislike gateway dell compaq hp these are all very low end products I think most people are better off buying pc's from local shops somthing breaks you just take it back to local shop and get it fixed insted of shippng it halfway across the country to get it fixed not to mention you are without a pc for weeks at a time most local shops have it fixed within hours not weeks

MSD · 05-01-2003, 07:08 PM

Pre-built (except Sony)
SiS (My chipset is busted to the point where my comp bluescreens if tilted off vertical)
Intel (The whole proposed permanent cookie embedded in your processor that had to be turned off after every reboot. Don't think it happened, but I still don't forgive them for it.)
Microsoft (Duh)
Real Networks (Spyware embedded in RealPlayer)

UnnDunn · 05-02-2003, 04:43 AM

VIA. Never again. I bought a KT133-based motherboard a while ago. Endless problems with Windows 2000. I was always waiting for the next '4-in-1s', with promises that they would fix all the problems. They never did.

Creative Labs. Never again. I bought a number of products from them, including a SoundBlaster Live and a GeForce2 card. Most suffered driver problems, especially in Win2k. Their support was downright useless.

SonicBlue Rio. Never again. I bought two Rio MP3 players from them... the original Rio, and the original RioVOLT. Both crapped out after a few weeks.

Compaq. After I'm done with this laptop, never again. I've owned this laptop since September and already it's almost falling apart. Plus their driver support sucks. I tried for weeks to find a WinXP driver for the 'Easy Access buttons' on my keyboard. I used their support forums. I gave them my exact model number. I got half-a-dozen suggestions, none of which worked.

clavus · 05-19-2003, 12:28 PM

I have a Compaq that I have used for years without any problems at all...I use it for a monitor-stand. I wouldn't want to actually turn the damn thing on.

mpedrummer2 · 05-19-2003, 04:20 PM

Verizon DSL.

A buddy of mine had some trouble setting it up, called their tech support. After going through the standard "is it plugged in?" BS, he explained that he was a Computer Science major in college, and was pretty sure that there was a weak signal to the demarc causing the problem.

The tech support guy said "Gee...I think you're more qualified to fix this than I am...I dunno."

He (my buddy) hung up.

rs8001 · 05-19-2003, 07:08 PM

After finally getting a cable modem I needed a ethernet card. Went out and picked up a $10 Netgear card. I should have purchased the $10 Linksys card on the shelf right next to it. Took it home installed it and the fucker wouldn't work. I was a complete novice with ethernet at the time and it took me hours to methodically go through everything I could dream of. Finally, I found hidden somewhere deep within their website that some of the normal cards had been shipped with the wake on LAN card firmware. Download a simple patch and it was fixed in no time. The problem: this had been a known issue for well over a year at that time. Why did I have to dig so deep for the solution? Wasted a good couple hours on that. First and last time I ever buy anything from Netgear.

MahlerIsGod · 05-19-2003, 08:52 PM

Klipsch ProMedia 5.1 speakers! Those babies cost $400 dollars. $400!!! And they lasted, *drumroll please*, two weeks. I will never buy anything even remotely associated with Klipsch. Hell, I won't even buy anything with a K in it anymore. If you see these speakers, run as fast as you can the other way.

Konichiwaneko · 05-19-2003, 09:30 PM

Mahler...I have a $2000 klipsch system on my computer. They = rule for me.

MahlerIsGod · 05-19-2003, 09:51 PM

Konichiwaneko,
I am guessing that you have a receiver/amplifier with some Klipsch speakers hooked up to your rig? You don't have the ProMedia's I am guessing (unless you royally got shafted on the price)? Do you have some Synergy's or Reference speakers? THose, those are fabulous speakers. I shoulded have added the caveat that Klipsch speakers (the PMs) are the best on the market......when they work. A two week shelf life is simply unacceptable. Unacceptable. For that amount of money, they should last years.

krazykemist · 05-20-2003, 12:01 AM

IBM Hard drives (seen too many fail)
Compaq/eMachine computers (worked on too many)
I dont really like any pre-built systems. Guess its b/c they are cheaper to build yourself.

Jesus Pimp · 05-20-2003, 03:31 AM

Apple products for the exception of the iPod. Overly priced slow hardware and bloated OSX. Fuck style.

Cocktopus · 05-20-2003, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TwoToTango
I won't buy anything made by Toshiba. I
crossed them off the list years ago when
they sold classified U.S. milling technology
to the (then) USSR, enabling the ruskies to
build much quieter submarine propellers.

my dad is the same way for the same reason...i guess it rubbed off on me.

mbox micro studio is a huge pos. to get it working (on XP no 2000 support) you need to disable raid controllers and antivirus, then it still doesn't work. i'm returning mbox and getting cubase sx.

gamer715 · 05-20-2003, 06:17 PM

Cendyne burners

I have one right now (seems to be originally manufactured by Benq i think). Rated 48x16x48, but it won't burn CD-R on anything but Sony, TDK, and Fuji at higher than 24 speed.

Tech support sucks
drive doesn't even work with generics that came bundled with it at Best Buy

Jerry Manderine · 05-21-2003, 12:37 AM

Norton... take-over your machine, cause more problems than it solves, bunch of ass, uninstall - don't make me laugh, clunky, overpriced, crap support, your update license has expired please pay more, virus and "system doesn't works".

switched to AVG for my virus protection - never looked back.

meembo · 05-21-2003, 08:07 PM

No Norton -- bad programming, huge footprint, always leaves a bad taste

Best Buy

Microsoft isn't bad, if the price is right -- an Action pack subscription costs $200 a year (ALL MS software), and if you are selling to others, Microsoft is the elephant in the living room

off-brand memory -- NFW

Secondshooter · 05-21-2003, 11:42 PM

Dell should be in there with compaq. Proprietery IDE ribbons and power sources are not cool. I was surprised i didn't need a proprietery screw driver to take it out with.

merkerguitars · 05-22-2003, 10:20 PM

I hate any type of prebuilt computer....
I second that thermaltake heatsinks sucks...I had one....never really noticed a diff in temp....loud as hell and a pain in the ass to take off....
Creative isn't a really a good company....you can't really find the right drivers easily at all which sucks when you get a bare bones soundcard.
ATI is good and yes there drivers do seem kinda ass backwards at times to install but the are getting up there in ass kicking performance

yotta · 05-23-2003, 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bullgoose
Amen; I got real sick of BSOD's a few years ago; I decided that I had to learn how to use Linux; I've never looked back (and I DON'T get BSOD's!!).

Now you get kernel panics instead. ;-)

yotta · 05-23-2003, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BoCo
So is XP Pro Corp.

XP Pro Corp most certianly is not free. Pirated !- free

yotta · 05-24-2003, 04:03 AM

I stay away from linksys, too much of thier gear is crap.

Kllr Wolf · 05-24-2003, 07:25 AM

I stay away from iWill and ATI. I the iWill motherboard's agp slot wouldnt work and they didnt want to help me. When i bought an ATI video card it woulndt work so I called them up exchanged the card 3 different timesand it still wouldnt work. after the third exchange they said i needed to buy a new one because I had sent it in too many times for waranty stuff.

brandon11983 · 05-24-2003, 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by gamer715
Cendyne burners

I have one right now (seems to be originally manufactured by Benq i think). Rated 48x16x48, but it won't burn CD-R on anything but Sony, TDK, and Fuji at higher than 24 speed.

Tech support sucks
drive doesn't even work with generics that came bundled with it at Best Buy

I've had a lot of problems with my 32x Cendyne burner. It won't write at anything over 12x, and frequently gives shitty results... i.e. "scratched-sounding" CD's fresh out of the drive. And I know its not the media, I use either Imation or Memorex.

bermuDa · 05-24-2003, 11:42 AM

I'll never again buy watercooling products from dangerden... it's a long story but the short version is their products are poorly constructed and their customer service is practically non-existant.

what else... any iomega cd burner... anything from emachines, lexmark printers, and overclockerz ram.

FuddMan · 05-25-2003, 06:06 PM

Apex electronics are the poor man's anything

vevaphon · 05-25-2003, 06:11 PM

my list, with no explanation:

PacBell (now SBC)
Via
AOL
Comcast
Microsoft
Toshiba
Gateway
Compaq/HP/Digital
ATI
Sony VIAO products
Infogrames

pretty much everything comes down to two things: shitty customer service or crappy ass software/hardware.

kukyfrope · 05-30-2003, 11:33 AM

Tyan - I have a S2380B (i think) and I've had to baby and doctor this thing to even get it to work. It was a replacement for a previously bad MSI board. The secondary onboard IDE controller was dead within about 2 months, AGP controller often throws a reboot when changing resolutions quickly.

Compaq/HP - Tech support is horrid. Trying to work inside them (especially pre-Psario (sp) models) was a complete nightmare. Hardware they come assembled with is all poor. Driver support is extremly poor.

I've never had significant problems with anything Sony I've bought. Same with Creative Labs (SoundBlaster MP3+ Live PCI & SoundBlaster Platinum), never a driver problem (Win98 & Win2k dual-boot.)

05-01-2003, 11:52 AM	#51 (permalink)
burgesoft777 Upright	Zip gruge never again swines ! I bought a zip drive from one of our local stores at a fraction of the normal price becuse the power supply was missing, I knew what voltage I needed to run the external drive but there was nothing to indicate which way the connection needed to be made ie positive or negative to pin. I e-mailed the manufactor's site for advice explained that I needed to know which way round to connect said drive but was repeataly messed around they simply wouldn't tell me becuse they wanted to sell me a new power supply of their own this went on for about 4 days by the end of which I was so pissed off with zip drives that I guesed the connection and got it right the drive works fine but I never use it becuse it winds me up to think about the shoddy treatment I got..by the way as i pointed out to imega any well damped 12 volt supply will do just fine ..

05-01-2003, 03:44 PM	#54 (permalink)
Konichiwaneko The Dreaded Pixel Nazi Location: Inside my camera	I won't buy anything from Packard Bell. On a serious note though, the only company I'm not a fan of is Soyo. I personally had horrible luck with their motherboards. I'm a big Abit fan. Also I'm tired of how Fragile AMD cpu's are. I've built lots of amd machine, and man...every p4 machine I build is a lot funner and easier to put together. Easier as in not worrying about cracking cores, not having to deal with the socket a heat sink retention mechanism, and most importantly not having to use those annoyingly whiney amd stock fans. __________________ Hesitate. Pull me in. Breath on breath. Skin on skin. Loving deep. Falling fast. All right here. Let this last. Here with our lips locked tight. Baby the time is right for us... to forget about us.

05-19-2003, 12:28 PM	#58 (permalink)
clavus pow! Location: NorCal	I have a Compaq that I have used for years without any problems at all...I use it for a monitor-stand. I wouldn't want to actually turn the damn thing on. __________________ Ass, gas or grass. Nobody rides for free.

05-19-2003, 04:20 PM	#59 (permalink)
mpedrummer2 Insane	Verizon DSL. A buddy of mine had some trouble setting it up, called their tech support. After going through the standard "is it plugged in?" BS, he explained that he was a Computer Science major in college, and was pretty sure that there was a weak signal to the demarc causing the problem. The tech support guy said "Gee...I think you're more qualified to fix this than I am...I dunno." He (my buddy) hung up. __________________ My sig can beat up your honor student.

05-19-2003, 08:52 PM	#61 (permalink)
MahlerIsGod At The Globe Showing Will How Its Done Location: London/Elysium	Klipsch ProMedia 5.1 speakers! Those babies cost $400 dollars. $400!!! And they lasted, drumroll please, two weeks. I will never buy anything even remotely associated with Klipsch. Hell, I won't even buy anything with a K in it anymore. If you see these speakers, run as fast as you can the other way. __________________ "But a work of art is a conscious human effort that has to do with communication. It is that or its nothing. When an accident is applauded as a work of art, when a cult grows up around the deliciousness of inadvertent beauty, we are in the presence of the greatest decadence the West has known in its history."

04-24-2003, 06:48 AM	#42 (permalink)
Ganguro Army of Me	At my job.. we have problems with the apple products all the time.. their solution for anything wrong with OS9.. "get os X".. that's now what we are paying them for!!..fix it dammit. Also HP products are crap..home and office products.. qll our printers on campus are HP and we constantly have problems with them. Plus everytime a toner runs out.. it's 50 bucks. A busy lab around finals can go through 10 toners a day. If a little rubber roller breaks.. 10 bucks.. just little shit you have to buy from them because of proprietary hardware. Dont get me started on Compaqs.. there is a reason the school paid to terminate their contract with them 2 years early... They were more trouble than they were worth.

04-24-2003, 07:04 AM	#43 (permalink)
crashoverride Crazy	IBM: agree to many failure e-machines: not upgradable and low quality pre-build computer: all junk except Dell Intel: get amd cheaper and faster Lexmark (older printer): two print cartridge = retail price of the printer epson printer: too hungry in ink, my friend had to buy new inks every month. Artec DVD: the worst error correction Elitegroup mobo: worst quality I ever had 3com cable modem: you can cook eggs on it

04-24-2003, 07:07 AM	#44 (permalink)
crashoverride Crazy	Originally posted by TwoToTango I won't buy anything made by Toshiba. I crossed them off the list years ago when they sold classified U.S. milling technology to the (then) USSR, enabling the ruskies to build much quieter submarine propellers. With a brother serving in the USN at the time, I decided that people who were increasing the risk of his getting torpedoed weren't going to get any money from me. what is the problem? toshiba is not a us company. it's japanese and they are good old friends with the ruskies.

04-24-2003, 08:22 AM	#46 (permalink)
TwoToTango Psycho	"The punishment for violations of this law can be severe. The West German subsidiary of Digital Equipment Corporation was fined $1.5 million for allowing sophisticated computers to be shipped to the Soviet Union. Toshiba Machine Tool Company of Japan sold milling machines to the Soviet Union to make ultraquiet submarine propellers. The technology for the milling machines was licensed to the Japanese company by a U.S. company and sale to the Soviet Union was forbidden. Besides sanctions against Toshiba in Japan for violation of Japanese law, the U.S. Trade Bill of 1988 specifically banned all government purchases from Toshiba Corporation, parent company of Toshiba Machine Company, for three years. The estimated losses were approximately 3 percent of the company's total exports to the United States annually." From http://www.ais.msstate.edu/age/lesson9/uslaws.html Sorry all, didn't mean to thread-jack when I first replied. I'm actually kinda surprised to get so many responses. I'll go look at some naked ladies for a while now.

04-29-2003, 11:38 PM	#48 (permalink)
happymaan Insane Location: los angeles	Anything by Real Corp. I wish real video never caught on. I shutter having to still use their products to watch my space ghost videos years from now.

04-29-2003, 11:52 PM	#49 (permalink)
chodarama Insane Location: a van, down by the river	HP can go play hide and go fuck themselves. I really had no reason to be pissed of at them before but yesterday they really made me angry. Basically, they wouldn't sell me a component for a printer because the part was mysteriously "unavailable." Not out of stock mind you, but "unavailable." The HP rep hadn't ever seen this "status code" before. I had ordered a printer with that component over two months ago, and they kept delaying shipping by saying the component will be in by the end of next month. So, I waited. Called them up today and the component is still unavailable. I did some searching on google after getting the specific part number and found that they were offering it with a cheaper model for free! Essentially, they won't sell me the damn $600 component, but they will give it away for free to someone buying a cheaper printer!

05-01-2003, 12:12 PM	#52 (permalink)
Ganguro Army of Me	hah iomega zip drives are shit. Enjoy your "click of death" i wouldnt put anything valuable on their media..

05-01-2003, 01:20 PM	#53 (permalink)
Phat Bank Insane Location: Michigan	I won't buy anything from Formac. I couldn't believe it when they decided not to develop OS X drivers for the Formac Pro TV tuner card. There's some open-source development going on that might get it to work, but it's in early early beta. I e-mailed Formac with the suggestion that they release the last stable OS 9 drivers to the open source community. Surely someone would do the Carbon/Cocoa port for them, but no go. Dicks.

05-01-2003, 04:45 PM	#55 (permalink)
cj22009 On the edge of control Location: Ga	I dislike gateway dell compaq hp these are all very low end products I think most people are better off buying pc's from local shops somthing breaks you just take it back to local shop and get it fixed insted of shippng it halfway across the country to get it fixed not to mention you are without a pc for weeks at a time most local shops have it fixed within hours not weeks

05-01-2003, 07:08 PM	#56 (permalink)
MSD The sky calls to us ... Super Moderator Location: CT	Pre-built (except Sony) SiS (My chipset is busted to the point where my comp bluescreens if tilted off vertical) Intel (The whole proposed permanent cookie embedded in your processor that had to be turned off after every reboot. Don't think it happened, but I still don't forgive them for it.) Microsoft (Duh) Real Networks (Spyware embedded in RealPlayer)

05-02-2003, 04:43 AM	#57 (permalink)
UnnDunn Upright Location: Havana, Cuba	VIA. Never again. I bought a KT133-based motherboard a while ago. Endless problems with Windows 2000. I was always waiting for the next '4-in-1s', with promises that they would fix all the problems. They never did. Creative Labs. Never again. I bought a number of products from them, including a SoundBlaster Live and a GeForce2 card. Most suffered driver problems, especially in Win2k. Their support was downright useless. SonicBlue Rio. Never again. I bought two Rio MP3 players from them... the original Rio, and the original RioVOLT. Both crapped out after a few weeks. Compaq. After I'm done with this laptop, never again. I've owned this laptop since September and already it's almost falling apart. Plus their driver support sucks. I tried for weeks to find a WinXP driver for the 'Easy Access buttons' on my keyboard. I used their support forums. I gave them my exact model number. I got half-a-dozen suggestions, none of which worked.

05-19-2003, 07:08 PM	#60 (permalink)
rs8001 Crazy Location: Indiana	After finally getting a cable modem I needed a ethernet card. Went out and picked up a $10 Netgear card. I should have purchased the $10 Linksys card on the shelf right next to it. Took it home installed it and the fucker wouldn't work. I was a complete novice with ethernet at the time and it took me hours to methodically go through everything I could dream of. Finally, I found hidden somewhere deep within their website that some of the normal cards had been shipped with the wake on LAN card firmware. Download a simple patch and it was fixed in no time. The problem: this had been a known issue for well over a year at that time. Why did I have to dig so deep for the solution? Wasted a good couple hours on that. First and last time I ever buy anything from Netgear.

05-19-2003, 09:30 PM	#62 (permalink)
Konichiwaneko The Dreaded Pixel Nazi Location: Inside my camera	Mahler...I have a $2000 klipsch system on my computer. They = rule for me. __________________ Hesitate. Pull me in. Breath on breath. Skin on skin. Loving deep. Falling fast. All right here. Let this last. Here with our lips locked tight. Baby the time is right for us... to forget about us.

05-19-2003, 09:51 PM	#63 (permalink)
MahlerIsGod At The Globe Showing Will How Its Done Location: London/Elysium	Konichiwaneko, I am guessing that you have a receiver/amplifier with some Klipsch speakers hooked up to your rig? You don't have the ProMedia's I am guessing (unless you royally got shafted on the price)? Do you have some Synergy's or Reference speakers? THose, those are fabulous speakers. I shoulded have added the caveat that Klipsch speakers (the PMs) are the best on the market......when they work. A two week shelf life is simply unacceptable. Unacceptable. For that amount of money, they should last years. __________________ "But a work of art is a conscious human effort that has to do with communication. It is that or its nothing. When an accident is applauded as a work of art, when a cult grows up around the deliciousness of inadvertent beauty, we are in the presence of the greatest decadence the West has known in its history."

05-20-2003, 12:01 AM	#64 (permalink)
krazykemist Psycho Location: New Orleans	IBM Hard drives (seen too many fail) Compaq/eMachine computers (worked on too many) I dont really like any pre-built systems. Guess its b/c they are cheaper to build yourself. __________________ "Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself." -- Tolstoy

05-20-2003, 03:31 AM	#65 (permalink)
Jesus Pimp The Original JizzSmacka	Apple products for the exception of the iPod. Overly priced slow hardware and bloated OSX. Fuck style. __________________ Never date anyone who doesn't make your dick hard. Last edited by Jesus Pimp; 05-20-2003 at 03:34 AM..

05-20-2003, 06:17 PM	#67 (permalink)
gamer715 Insane Location: here	Cendyne burners I have one right now (seems to be originally manufactured by Benq i think). Rated 48x16x48, but it won't burn CD-R on anything but Sony, TDK, and Fuji at higher than 24 speed. Tech support sucks drive doesn't even work with generics that came bundled with it at Best Buy __________________ What 'chu talkin' 'bout, Willis?

05-21-2003, 12:37 AM	#68 (permalink)
Jerry Manderine Tilted Location: London, UK	Norton... take-over your machine, cause more problems than it solves, bunch of ass, uninstall - don't make me laugh, clunky, overpriced, crap support, your update license has expired please pay more, virus and "system doesn't works". switched to AVG for my virus protection - never looked back. __________________ Time has told me I'm a rare, rare find

05-21-2003, 08:07 PM	#69 (permalink)
meembo Junkie Location: Connecticut	No Norton -- bad programming, huge footprint, always leaves a bad taste Best Buy Microsoft isn't bad, if the price is right -- an Action pack subscription costs $200 a year (ALL MS software), and if you are selling to others, Microsoft is the elephant in the living room off-brand memory -- NFW __________________ less I say, smarter I am

05-21-2003, 11:42 PM	#70 (permalink)
Secondshooter Upright Location: Vancouver, BC	Dell should be in there with compaq. Proprietery IDE ribbons and power sources are not cool. I was surprised i didn't need a proprietery screw driver to take it out with.

05-22-2003, 10:20 PM	#71 (permalink)
merkerguitars Buffering......... Location: Wisconsin...	I hate any type of prebuilt computer.... I second that thermaltake heatsinks sucks...I had one....never really noticed a diff in temp....loud as hell and a pain in the ass to take off.... Creative isn't a really a good company....you can't really find the right drivers easily at all which sucks when you get a bare bones soundcard. ATI is good and yes there drivers do seem kinda ass backwards at times to install but the are getting up there in ass kicking performance __________________ Donate now! Ask me How! Please use the search function it is your friend. Look at my mustang please feel free to comment! http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthread.php?t=26985

05-24-2003, 04:03 AM	#74 (permalink)
yotta Irresponsible	I stay away from linksys, too much of thier gear is crap. __________________ I am Jack's signature.

05-24-2003, 07:25 AM	#75 (permalink)
Kllr Wolf Psycho Location: Lubbock, TX	I stay away from iWill and ATI. I the iWill motherboard's agp slot wouldnt work and they didnt want to help me. When i bought an ATI video card it woulndt work so I called them up exchanged the card 3 different timesand it still wouldnt work. after the third exchange they said i needed to buy a new one because I had sent it in too many times for waranty stuff. __________________ Caffeine - the molecule of life.

05-24-2003, 11:42 AM	#77 (permalink)
bermuDa don't ignore this--> Location: CA	I'll never again buy watercooling products from dangerden... it's a long story but the short version is their products are poorly constructed and their customer service is practically non-existant. what else... any iomega cd burner... anything from emachines, lexmark printers, and overclockerz ram. __________________ I am the very model of a moderator gentleman.

05-25-2003, 06:06 PM	#78 (permalink)
FuddMan Crazy Location: USA	Apex electronics are the poor man's anything

05-25-2003, 06:11 PM	#79 (permalink)
vevaphon Insane Location: Ass end of Nowhere	my list, with no explanation: PacBell (now SBC) Via AOL Comcast Microsoft Toshiba Gateway Compaq/HP/Digital ATI Sony VIAO products Infogrames pretty much everything comes down to two things: shitty customer service or crappy ass software/hardware.

05-30-2003, 11:33 AM	#80 (permalink)
kukyfrope Crazy	Tyan - I have a S2380B (i think) and I've had to baby and doctor this thing to even get it to work. It was a replacement for a previously bad MSI board. The secondary onboard IDE controller was dead within about 2 months, AGP controller often throws a reboot when changing resolutions quickly. Compaq/HP - Tech support is horrid. Trying to work inside them (especially pre-Psario (sp) models) was a complete nightmare. Hardware they come assembled with is all poor. Driver support is extremly poor. I've never had significant problems with anything Sony I've bought. Same with Creative Labs (SoundBlaster MP3+ Live PCI & SoundBlaster Platinum), never a driver problem (Win98 & Win2k dual-boot.)