Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community  

Go Back   Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community > Interests > Tilted Technology


 
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 01-13-2005, 03:58 PM   #41 (permalink)
Psycho
 
Homey_V's Avatar
 
Location: Canada
Quote:
Originally Posted by willravel
How long will it be before Sony, HP, Dell and every other PC tries to make a clone of the Mac mini? I'm taking bets...

You mean like Small Form Factor PC's that have been on the market for some time now?

The iPod Shuffle just seems like any other MP3 player to me. I'd rather get one that size with an LCD myself. Not worth the money.
__________________
You did what with a duck?
Homey_V is offline  
Old 01-13-2005, 04:43 PM   #42 (permalink)
Tilted
 
I think the MacMini is different than a SFF PC. The SFF appeals to me, but the MacMini is nice because:
A) It's cheap
B) It's New (as in, has a warrantee)
C) It's quiet
D) It runs OSX.

I agree... the iPod shuffle is a bit unexciting. I'd rather look at the iRiver H10 instead of an iPod. The 'Pods are nice, but I don't need more than 5 GB or so, and the iRiver has an FM tuner, voice recorder, and the photo storage capabilites for 279 or so MSRP.
tellumFS is offline  
Old 01-13-2005, 05:17 PM   #43 (permalink)
Psycho
 
Location: Sarasota
Quote:
Originally Posted by sixate
First, I'm not trying to bait a comment/response out of anyone.
You call me gay and then claim you're not baiting, huh? WTF? Just because you say it don't make it true.

Apple is going to sell a shitload of these Minis. I predict a lot of uses will be found for this little box besides as a general purpose computer. A year from now they will be sold as bundles to make them HTPC's, car stereos, kiosk boxes, etc.

Apple didn't make the first HD based MP3 player but they when they did, they did it right and it worked. Other companies have made computer "appliance" boxes but I think this is the beginning of that done right too.
bodypainter is offline  
Old 01-13-2005, 05:20 PM   #44 (permalink)
It's all downhill from here
 
docbungle's Avatar
 
Location: Denver
I think it looks very neat. I have no use for it, but I'd definitely buy it as a gift.
__________________
Bad Luck City
docbungle is offline  
Old 01-13-2005, 05:28 PM   #45 (permalink)
Crazy
 
Location: U.S.A
The Mac Mini is very tempting. The specs are alright for a budget system, I already own a USB hub, keyboard, mouse, monitor and the form factor is really awesome. Since its so small, I'd be able use this machine both at home and at work. The only thing thats holding me back is that I'm waiting for Tiger this year.
lpj8 is offline  
Old 01-13-2005, 06:47 PM   #46 (permalink)
Psycho
 
jonjon42's Avatar
 
Location: inside my own mind
actually that ipod shuffle has much future use to me as both a music player...and a flash drive...
it's not made to be a permanent load up your music every now and then and go...it's meant to be more like.."time to take a run" (load up random shuffle of songs)...and run and then it's "time for boring early morning class that you wish you never signed up for" (load up another shuffle of songs) and go

ipod regular is more like bringing your music library with you wherever you go....like away from the computer for a period of time.
__________________
A damn dirty hippie without the dirty part....
jonjon42 is offline  
Old 01-14-2005, 12:44 PM   #47 (permalink)
Psycho
 
THGL's Avatar
 
Location: Louisville, KY
Quote:
Originally Posted by bodypainter
Check this - that computer will fit in a standard DIN hole in a car dash. If it had a faceplate you could have the coolest car stereo ever.
Looks like someone's brain is on the same wavelength as yours
http://www.macworld.com/news/2005/01...auto/index.php
THGL is offline  
Old 01-15-2005, 08:33 AM   #48 (permalink)
Insane
 
LewisCouch's Avatar
 
Location: Pacific NW
This appears to be Apple's first foray into home media computers, albiet the audio output seems to be lacking. It's got a DVI connection so you could easily hook this thing up to an HDTV. The fact that it's so compact and noiseless makes it a pefect fit with a home entertainment system. I wonder if Apple will me marketing a wireless capable IPOD sometime soon?
__________________
"The gift of liberty is like that of a horse, handsome, strong, and high-spirited. In some it arouses a wish to ride; in many others, on the contrary, it increases the desire to walk."

-- Massimo d'Azeglio
LewisCouch is offline  
Old 01-15-2005, 10:06 PM   #49 (permalink)
An embarrassment to myself and those around me...
 
VitaminH's Avatar
 
Location: Pants
Quote:
Originally Posted by connyosis
The ipod shuffle seems...well...stupid. Seriously, how much crack was the Apple designers smoking when they figured that one out? I like screens on my mp3 players thank you very much, and I suppose ipod still doesn't support ogg-files?

I think the point is simplicity. You don't need a screen. As said above, you make the playlist and drop it in, and either play in the order you defined, or just let it shuffle them on its own. No need for a screen. While I'll stick to my standard ipod, I don't think it's a terrible idea. But yes I agree that I'd like to see ogg on the ipod, but I'm an ituneser anyway so I just use AAC.

Also remember the "Megahertz myth" people: 1.42 Ghz G4 != 1.42 Ghz Pentium 4. The G4 is faster.
__________________
"Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever."
- Napoleon Bonaparte
VitaminH is offline  
Old 01-15-2005, 10:23 PM   #50 (permalink)
Buffering.........
 
merkerguitars's Avatar
 
Location: Wisconsin...
For all of you whining that blah blah blah I can't custom build a mac and it doesn't fit my needs you have to realize what market this fits. This is made for someone that wants something small and simple, like lets say if I had an older relative that needed something, this machine is just plain simple, perfect for someone that doesn't need much. As long as this thing is reliable and has some good quality hardware in it (from a reliability standpoint) it's a winner in my book, sure it wouldn't meet MY needs but for someone that needs simple and afford, damn.
Quote:
Originally Posted by bodypainter
Check this - that computer will fit in a standard DIN hole in a car dash. If it had a faceplate you could have the coolest car stereo ever.
Awesome idea, I might have to do a little more research on this, and the price is about right.
__________________
Donate now! Ask me How!

Please use the search function it is your friend.

Look at my mustang please feel free to comment!

http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthread.php?t=26985
merkerguitars is offline  
Old 01-16-2005, 12:16 PM   #51 (permalink)
... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.
 
Willravel's Avatar
 
If you really like building and moding computers, try building or moding a Mac. My motherboard has a video card built into it (ATI Radeon 9200). I removed it and installed a better one. It took me about 3 weeks. Let me tell the the X800 freaking screams. For those who say you can't build of mod a Mac to your tastes, I say all you need is Mac training. It's more difficult than PC, but it is far from impossible. If you say you don't want a Mac because you want a challenge, you're missing the best challenge out there.
Willravel is offline  
Old 01-17-2005, 02:42 AM   #52 (permalink)
eat more fruit
 
ChrisJericho's Avatar
 
Location: Seattle
Buy Apple stock. now.

Seriously, every female 12-30, and some guys, are going to want this thing. I predict it becomes the "cool" dorm item to have.
__________________
"A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows us that faith proves nothing." - Friedrich Nietzsche
ChrisJericho is offline  
Old 01-17-2005, 05:53 PM   #53 (permalink)
Upright
 
I have been a die-harp pc user for many years, but as soon as the cash starts flowing again I am totally getting on of these and a kvm switch try out the pure sex that is panther
piezo4 is offline  
Old 01-18-2005, 12:01 AM   #54 (permalink)
hovering in the distance
 
Location: the land of milk and honey
well, I'm not gay, but i think it's cute and if something that small can do so much, then who cares what it looks like, and just bloody marvel at the fact that it can and that it not like this anymore.
__________________
no signature required
moonstrucksoul is offline  
Old 01-18-2005, 12:17 AM   #55 (permalink)
Tilted
 
The mini would be the perfect replacement for my Cube (it was a graduation gift), but I really need the portability of a laptop. I suppose I could get a cheap PC laptop, but damn that brand loyalty! I'll wait for the PowerBookG5 to slam the price of the G4. And I like the shuffle, I don't need 40 gigs of music at the gym! And I don't need something to play with there, either! (don't steal music) Haha, that's from the Apple website. -T
tommylee02 is offline  
Old 01-18-2005, 07:30 AM   #56 (permalink)
Is In Love
 
Averett's Avatar
 
Location: I'm workin' on it
Quote:
Originally Posted by willravel
Then of course there is the iPod Shuffle.

Aparently, life is random. As official soundtrack to the random revolution, the iPod Shuffle Songs setting takes you on a unique journey through your music collection — you never know what’s around the next tune. Meet your new ride. More roadster than Rolls, iPod shuffle rejects routine by serving up your favorite songs in a different order every time. Just plug iPod shuffle into your computer’s USB port, let iTunes Autofill it with up to 240 songs and get a new experience with every connection.

Storage: 512MB or 1GB (120 or 240 songs)
Battery life: Up to 12 hours
Charge Time: About 4 hours
Skip protection: skip free playback
Port(s): USB 1.1 and 2.0
Size: 3.3" X 0.98" X 0.33"
Weight: .78 oz.
*drool* I LOVE iPod's, but I just couldn't justify the cost. But I sure as hell can justify $99-150! I am so getting this!
__________________
Absence is to love what wind is to fire. It extinguishes the small, it enkindles the great.
Averett is offline  
Old 01-18-2005, 07:52 AM   #57 (permalink)
Shackle Me Not
 
jwoody's Avatar
 
Location: Newcastle - England.
Quote:
Originally Posted by McFrosticles
Microsoft may have the customers...

but Apple sure does come out with some nifty things. That little desktop PC is pretty interesting. I won't be getting one, but I sure as hell will be getting that Ipod.
McFrosticles - c le MicrosFt
jwoody is offline  
Old 01-18-2005, 11:25 AM   #58 (permalink)
Junkie
 
kutulu's Avatar
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by willravel
A modern budget PC does not have a decent video card.
Exactly when was a 32 MB ATI 9200 a 'descent' video card? 1985?

I'm looking on newegg and you can't even buy those there anymore. Even the 64MB version of the 9200 is only $40.

If I wanted a dumbed down computer with no features on it, I'd buy this. $399 and it comes with a monitor, keyboard and mouse.

The infamously overpriced compusa has tons of models that offer a better price and more features.

Last edited by kutulu; 01-18-2005 at 11:27 AM..
kutulu is offline  
Old 01-18-2005, 11:33 AM   #59 (permalink)
Junkie
 
kutulu's Avatar
 
Shit, this computer just about outperforms the minimac. It too has a cool design that will leave many questioning your sexuality:



Processor Brand: Intel
Processor Class: Celeron D Processor
Processor Number: 330
Processor Speed: 2.66 GHz
Bus Speed: 533 MHz
Cache Size: 256 KB
Memory Technology: DDR-SDRAM
Installed Memory: 256 MB
Hard Drive Capacity: 40 GB
Video Chipset: ATI® RADEON™ 9100 Pro IGP
Video Bus: AGP (Version Unspecified)
Video Integration: Motherboard
Additional Drives: DVD/CD-RW Combo
Installed Operating System: Microsoft® Windows® XP Home Edition
kutulu is offline  
Old 01-18-2005, 11:39 AM   #60 (permalink)
Crazy
 
If you like Mac's this is great, but it is certainly no budget solution for anyone....the 499 machine is garbage, I could build a "budget" computer for under 700 that will spank the living shit out of that paperweight. In fact my $200 Emachine could prolly do that right now...Athlon 3000+ ,768MB ram(upgraded. 256 stock) with a 9800Pro(e-bay for $100) When will people learn? You simply cannot fuck with the pricing, compatibilty, and ease of use of PC's!!
scoobydugan is offline  
Old 01-18-2005, 11:46 AM   #61 (permalink)
... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.
 
Willravel's Avatar
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kutulu
Exactly when was a 32 MB ATI 9200 a 'descent' video card? 1985?

I'm looking on newegg and you can't even buy those there anymore. Even the 64MB version of the 9200 is only $40.

If I wanted a dumbed down computer with no features on it, I'd buy this. $399 and it comes with a monitor, keyboard and mouse.

The infamously overpriced compusa has tons of models that offer a better price and more features.
Yea, but that comp is the size of a schoolbus.
Willravel is offline  
Old 01-18-2005, 12:01 PM   #62 (permalink)
Devoted
 
Redlemon's Avatar
 
Donor
Location: New England
Quote:
Originally Posted by scoobydugan
When will people learn? You simply cannot fuck with the pricing, compatibilty, and ease of use of PC's!!


...oh wait, you were being serious. Nevermind.
__________________
I can't read your signature. Sorry.
Redlemon is offline  
Old 01-18-2005, 12:11 PM   #63 (permalink)
Junkie
 
kutulu's Avatar
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by willravel
Yea, but that comp is the size of a schoolbus.
I'll skip the obvious short bus comment.

Although size matters, performance matters even more.

When you upgrade the RAM to 512, make it a super drive (the current standard for pretty much any PC over $600), and add the mouse and keyboard, you are up to almost $900. An outdated computer for $900. It gets better, the order screen on the apple store fails to mention that it doesn't come with a monitor (it's not even listed as an upgrade). Since this is pushed as an entry level PC, it's not likely that they have a monitor lying around. I'm sure that there will be many who order it only to find out they still need a monitor.

Once you add the monitor, you're at about $1100. You can get a damn fine PC for $1100. Surely it would be much better than some outdated POS. However, it might not look 'cool'
kutulu is offline  
Old 01-18-2005, 12:23 PM   #64 (permalink)
Psycho
 
Homey_V's Avatar
 
Location: Canada
While an interesting Idea, its been Done. If anyone claims that SFF PC's are much different they're crazy.

Apple. Throwing last years parts in a small box, and charging you premium prices for them.
__________________
You did what with a duck?
Homey_V is offline  
Old 01-18-2005, 01:06 PM   #65 (permalink)
Junkie
 
kutulu's Avatar
 
but at least they get cool celebrity endorsements
kutulu is offline  
Old 01-18-2005, 01:12 PM   #66 (permalink)
... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.
 
Willravel's Avatar
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kutulu
Although size matters, performance matters even more.
To you, yes. I belive that you are looking more for a performing computer that you can modify pretty easily to fit your needs. You take that at the possible expense of stability.......*stops*......how about we cool the Mac/PC wars?

How about for 5 seconds we call a truce and just simply say, "I like it" or "I don't like it"?

We know that Macs and PCs both have their ups and downs. This thread isn't about that, or a Mickey Mouse computer . This is about the announcement of the Mac mini and the iPod shuffle at MacWorld. I don't go into PC threads and spread Mac propoganda, so isn't it fair I should expect you to respect the cease-fire?
Willravel is offline  
Old 01-18-2005, 01:19 PM   #67 (permalink)
Junkie
 
kutulu's Avatar
 
ok.

admit it, that mickey mouse computer is pretty funny.
kutulu is offline  
Old 01-18-2005, 01:31 PM   #68 (permalink)
... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.
 
Willravel's Avatar
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kutulu
ok.

admit it, that mickey mouse computer is pretty funny.
The finniest part is that it actually performes pretty well. A little RAM upgrade (maybe 512, or even 1g), and you can put a dozen of those into your office.
Willravel is offline  
Old 01-18-2005, 02:05 PM   #69 (permalink)
Junkie
 
kutulu's Avatar
 
I'd pay money to get my employer to toss out our computers and get those instead. Today's PC's are for the most part, way overpowered for the typical office environment. I make spreadsheets and word documents.

My office computer has no use for vid cards (or even sound for that matter). Hell, since all of our work is stored on the main network drive, the HDD only needs to be big enough to store the programs you use and the OS. Instead, I have this huge 80GB HDD and a 15" LCD monitor. What a waste. However, since people are so driven by advertisements that say you need a better computer, they spend top dollar when they think they need a new one.

It would be too freaking cool to see those set up in an office setting.
kutulu is offline  
Old 01-18-2005, 08:18 PM   #70 (permalink)
whosoever
 
martinguerre's Avatar
 
Location: New England
i thought we were done with this. guess not.

is it just me, or is it seriously fucked up that we seem incapable of having a discussion of computers with out gay baiting?

unless you are having sex with your computer, please do not mention sexual orientation while discussing what kind of personal computer you prefer. if you do fuck your computer, please do not tell us about it.

does that cover things?
__________________
For God so loved creation, that God sent God's only Son that whosoever believed should not perish, but have everlasting life.

-John 3:16
martinguerre is offline  
Old 01-18-2005, 08:54 PM   #71 (permalink)
Sultana ruined my evil persona
 
Krycheck's Avatar
 
Location: Los Angeles


I'm thinking of getting one. Why?:

1. I always wanted to play with OSX.
2. It looks cool, makes a great conversation piece.
3. I have a few monitors laying around and I can connect it to my USB KVM switch.
4. Now that I've read this thread I like the idea of using it as a in-car mp3 player. I'm sure mods will be out soon. It's only natural.
5. I have that much and more just waiting to be spent on something

And please, relating choice of computer platform with sexual orientation is just childish. Everyone get over it.

Besides, true computer geeks will play with any OS/PC platform they can get there hands on!!!
__________________

His pants are tight...but his morals are loose!!
Krycheck is offline  
Old 01-18-2005, 10:05 PM   #72 (permalink)
Adequate
 
cyrnel's Avatar
 
Location: In my angry-dome.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Krycheck
...
Besides, true computer geeks will play with any OS/PC platform they can get there hands on!!!
Ding! Ding! Ding!

Any platform/size/speed/color/shape can be analyzed to death or tried and appreciated.

Religion has no place in computing. Especially with cool little consumer electronics gadgets.
cyrnel is offline  
Old 01-18-2005, 10:52 PM   #73 (permalink)
C'mon, just blow it.
 
hulk's Avatar
 
Location: Perth, Australia
It's also great as a second mac. Or an addition to a gaming PC, which is what I plan to do. A beastly ugly monster of a PC and a sexy little mac mini for real work.
__________________
"'There's a tendency among the press to attribute the creation of a game to a single person,' says Warren Spector, creator of Thief and Deus Ex."
-- From an IGN game review.
hulk is offline  
Old 01-19-2005, 09:52 PM   #74 (permalink)
Registered User
 
Location: Madison WI
I like it, but not enough to run out and buy one. I think they may be overdoing the "chiclet" look.. I'll take old silver and grey, even brushed metal when possible, over white or pastel platic any day, especially if the little bugger is gonna sit in my living room. BTW I love my G4, and I'm gonna cry like a gayboy when I have to part with it..* Just a joke, people! I'm not Gay or homophobic..ahem..*
skinbag is offline  
Old 01-20-2005, 06:05 AM   #75 (permalink)
Devoted
 
Redlemon's Avatar
 
Donor
Location: New England
I just read a very interesting analysis of the Mac Mini-vs-cheap PC comparisons by Paul Thurrott. He focuses on the Mac in his writings, and is typically a huge critic of anything that they do. The analysis is pretty long, I'll just quote the conclusion:
Quote:
So, what do these deals show us? First, you can get a lot of PC--indeed, a whole PC system including a large CRT screen and a printer--for the same price, or less, than the Mac mini. Second, these PC systems are far more expandable than the Mac mini, thanks to their comparatively voluminous tower cases, with readily available RAM slots, room for more hard drives and optical drives, and various add-in cards: You can even get integrated 9-in-1 (or 8-in-1) media readers, which is a huge plus.

Third, and perhaps most important, none of this matters. Put simply, the people who buy $300 to $500 PC systems at Best Buy are never, ever going to be Apple customers. The people who will be attracted to the Mac mini are people who already have expensive PCs but are looking for a second machine. They are into digital media and are perhaps taken with the style of the iPod. They can afford a $500 second machine, just like they can afford an iPod. And they number in the millions. They will not be buying either of the PCs shown above, not ever.

When it comes to this kind of purchase, the $500 price tag of the Mac mini means just one thing. Like the iPod, the Mac mini is an affordable luxury and it will, in my opinion, open up Mac OS X to a much wider audience. The Mac mini, however, does not compete feature-for-feature or price-for-price with the PC. And you know what? Neither does the iPod, when compared to its competition. Just look what happened there. People aren't buying these things based on features. There's something intangible happening here.

My prediction is that the Mac mini will reverse Apple's market share slide. And one year from now, if not sooner, all of us--even the detractors, begrudgingly--will credit this product with turning around the Macs fortunes. Comparing apples to oranges, or in this case, Apples to eMachines, just doesn't make sense.
__________________
I can't read your signature. Sorry.
Redlemon is offline  
Old 01-23-2005, 06:56 PM   #76 (permalink)
Fear the bunny
 
Location: Hanging off the tip of the Right Wing
willtravel, admit it--you're Steve Jobs, right?
__________________
Activism is a way for useless people to feel important.
BoCo is offline  
Old 01-23-2005, 09:33 PM   #77 (permalink)
... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.
 
Willravel's Avatar
 
Hahahahahaha. Yes.
Nah, not really. As much as I'd love to take credit for personal computer popularity, silicon valley bubbles, the iPod, and the Porsche of computers....I don't want credit for Pixar.
If it makes you feel better, I do dress similar to Jobs. Black shirt, nice jeans and comfortable running shoes.

(Check out Steve Job's Rolling Stone interview at http://www.rollingstone.com/news/sto...as-player=true)

EDIT: It's Willravel. No "t". Common mistake. "Will" is my first name, and "Ravel" is one of my favorite composers (French Romantic/Contemporary/Impressionist classical music composer Maurice Ravel - http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/profiles/ravel.shtml).

Last edited by Willravel; 01-23-2005 at 10:02 PM..
Willravel is offline  
Old 01-26-2005, 08:52 AM   #78 (permalink)
Tilted
 
Location: NC
The only thing I dislike about the shuffle is shuffle part of it, wish you would see what tune was coming
he_haha is offline  
Old 01-26-2005, 10:52 AM   #79 (permalink)
Crazy
 
Location: U.S.A
It looks like Apple has already lowered the prices of the Mac Mini upgrades.....

Slashdot Article

Quote:
Posted by timothy on Wednesday January 26, @10:55AM
from the mac-mini-eats-lunch-film-at-11 dept.
RustNeverSleeps writes "Apple has just lowered prices on certain build-to-order options on the Mac mini. The combination Bluetooth and Airport Express option has gone down to $99 from $129, 1 GB RAM upgrades have been reduced to $325 from $475 and the price of an upgrade from a 40 GB hard drive to an 80 GB hard drive has been reduced to $50 from $90. Also, the original 4x Superdrive has been upgraded to an 8x drive for the same price. Interesting that they dropped prices so soon after release. Perhaps Apple actually listened to people complaining about overpriced upgrades.
lpj8 is offline  
Old 01-26-2005, 04:25 PM   #80 (permalink)
... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.
 
Willravel's Avatar
 
lpj8, that's a good article. I can only hope that Mac can start directly competing in the low price market. Imagine a Porsche that drives like a Porsche, but costs like $12,000. It's something to look forward to.
Willravel is offline  
 

Tags
mac


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 01:55 PM.

Tilted Forum Project

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2
© 2002-2012 Tilted Forum Project

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360