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Knoweffects · 12-13-2004, 02:58 PM

OK well im going to be building a new comp soon (for games) and ive been consitering going pentium instead of AMD, because you cant get ddr2 slots with AMD(least im pritty sure). would you guys rather have more ram or faster ram?

im looking to spend 2000$ or less, noneed for monitor atm~ would love any input

SiNai · 12-13-2004, 03:23 PM

AFAIK, there's no reason to buy DDR2, yet. Negligible speed increases. I would go for a gig (at least) of pc 3200 ram- your choices for ram can easily range from about $150-$450 depending on how much cash you want to fork out. (In answer to your question, I would want to have more AND faster ram

). Grab an AMD Athlon 64 939-pin, or an FX 939 pin. These proc's are gonna last you for a long time, hopefully. I definitely wouldn't buy Intel right now. Video is a tough call. Perhaps wait a bit until a PCIe solution comes out for AMD motherboards (I thought it should have been here by now..). Otherwise, I would buy a 6600 GT AGP. All this, plus all necessities, shouldn't put you back much more than $1000. You could easily go for a top of the line processor or a better videocard if you want to pwn your enemies better or something, but I wouldn't. Buy a lot of ice cream sandwiches.

Knoweffects · 12-13-2004, 03:28 PM

err thats what it was, cant get pcie for amd, or mabyit wasnt meh. anyways i was thinking about spending like 400 or so on ram, so basicly i was thinking realy fast 1gig or just an assload of slow. thanks for the input, oh and im building it to play MMORPG's, eq2 eqlive maby some WoW, realy ram /vidcard intensive games ><!

debianuser · 12-13-2004, 07:05 PM

I built a very nice AMD64 3000+ system for ~$800
I ordered everything from newegg, the site is great very fast on everything.
1GB PC3200 Corsair ram (go with 1GB you wont be dissapointed)
160 GB HDD
AMD64 3000+
Soltek MoBo
Cheap case (Still looks very nice though)
Asus Nvidia 5700 LE video card (Nice card, wish i would have spent more though)

One suggestion is don't go cheap on the graphics card. Mine was ~$125 and I wish I would have spent more.

~Zach

debianuser · 12-13-2004, 07:10 PM

Btw, you can get PCI-e on a socket 939 MoBo...this is the beauty of the NForce 4 chipset. Check it out, the motherboards start at around $200 and you may have to wait a week or so for them to be released.

http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=...ogle&scoring=p

~Zach

Knoweffects · 12-13-2004, 08:22 PM

im definately getting 1gig of ram or more, but i was debateing on if i should say, get 1.5 or maby even 2, or just realy nice quality 1gig~ definately not skimping out on the vid card, was planning on getting all my stuff from newegg also heh~ socket 939 is AMD? thought it was intel~

Lasereth · 12-14-2004, 04:26 PM

$2000 is an absurd amount for building your own PC. You're gonna have a top of the line ownage machine with that kind of money.

AMD Athlon 64 3400+ Retail - $271
Soltek SL-K8T Pro - $115
Western Digital Raptor 74GB 10,000 RPM SATA Hard Drive - $150
1 GB PC3200 Corsair Value RAM - $145
eVGA NVIDIA GeForce 6800 GT AGP 256 MB - $400
Case, CD-RW, Floppy - $150
Enermax 350w PSU - $60
Cables - $30

$1321 TOTAL

You could even "upgrade" the processor even more since you have like $700 leftover. This setup that I made would be unbelieveable in gaming. You can't go wrong with an Athlon 64 and 6800 GT combo.

-Lasereth

SiNai · 12-14-2004, 04:42 PM

If you wanted, try the "XMS" series or something for RAM. That is, if you wanted. Value will do you just fine (it does me). Oh, and pulled off the first site that froogle search pulled up:

Quote:

These motherboards should be released sometime in middle to late December.

Update: Word on the street is that the nForce4 boards won’t be available until sometime in January. Hopefully, we won’t have another paper launch on our hands and the nForce4 boards will be shipped out on time.

debianuser · 12-14-2004, 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Knoweffects

socket 939 is AMD? thought it was intel~

http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20040601/index.html

Check it out for yourself....That site is EXCELLENT for hardware reviews. No bullshit, hands down.

I also agree with Lasereth. For $2k, you could wait for a mother board with the NVidia SLi technology (should be on the NForce4 boards i believe). It enables multi-gpu's on your motherboard. Could you imagine 2 6800 Ultra's?? You can set up the video cards up to manage the video to one monitor, here's an excerpt from an article on Tomshardware.

Quote:

Originally Posted by www.tomshardware.com

Currently NVIDIA has three different modes for SLI:

* Compatibility Mode
* Alternate Frame Rendering (AFR)
* Split Frame Rendering (SFR)

In Compatibility Mode only one of the two cards renders. There is no increase in performance. In AFR mode one of the cards computes all of the even frames and the other card all of the odd frames. Thus the job of rendering is simply split up between the two cards.

In SFR Mode the display is split in two. Card 1 computes the upper part of the screen and the second card the lower part. Thanks to load balancing, the driver takes care of equalizing the load the two cards receive as much as possible.

Check the article out here: http://graphics.tomshardware.com/gra...123/index.html

~Zach

Knoweffects · 12-14-2004, 06:53 PM

sounds to me like AFR would run alot smoother to me, or just generaly work a little better. um i just mean i have alotted myself up to 2g to spend and i myself was kinda planning on useing round 1500, and getting 2gigs of ram exc. um i dunno when im getting the money (inheritance, house needs to be sold, exc) and im not realy wanting to have to wait to get one, as i have no computer atm (well, useing a friends 400mhz wuwu!) no one even consiters useing a pentium chip? ive always been partial to AMD and everyone blindly agrees that AMD will run games faster (honestly no ones ever shown me much proof, dispite intel posting higher numbers, i know for the numbers AMD is far quicker, my friend had an intel 100mhz faster, same vid card same ram as me and we would lan the same games and he would always run slower, even if i was hosting) anyways, intels get pritty high numbers and i know a few ppl that run the games im going to be running and they say there 3ghz+ chips do fine? eh, just something i was thinking about.

12-13-2004, 02:58 PM	#1 (permalink)
Knoweffects Tilted Location: san marcos CA	Building New Comp, Options OK well im going to be building a new comp soon (for games) and ive been consitering going pentium instead of AMD, because you cant get ddr2 slots with AMD(least im pritty sure). would you guys rather have more ram or faster ram? im looking to spend 2000$ or less, noneed for monitor atm~ would love any input __________________ no h8 only <3

12-13-2004, 03:23 PM	#2 (permalink)
SiNai Dreams In Digital Location: Iowa	AFAIK, there's no reason to buy DDR2, yet. Negligible speed increases. I would go for a gig (at least) of pc 3200 ram- your choices for ram can easily range from about $150-$450 depending on how much cash you want to fork out. (In answer to your question, I would want to have more AND faster ram ). Grab an AMD Athlon 64 939-pin, or an FX 939 pin. These proc's are gonna last you for a long time, hopefully. I definitely wouldn't buy Intel right now. Video is a tough call. Perhaps wait a bit until a PCIe solution comes out for AMD motherboards (I thought it should have been here by now..). Otherwise, I would buy a 6600 GT AGP. All this, plus all necessities, shouldn't put you back much more than $1000. You could easily go for a top of the line processor or a better videocard if you want to pwn your enemies better or something, but I wouldn't. Buy a lot of ice cream sandwiches. __________________ I can't seem to remember now What it was like- to live life, before you.. symbiont

12-13-2004, 03:28 PM	#3 (permalink)
Knoweffects Tilted Location: san marcos CA	err thats what it was, cant get pcie for amd, or mabyit wasnt meh. anyways i was thinking about spending like 400 or so on ram, so basicly i was thinking realy fast 1gig or just an assload of slow. thanks for the input, oh and im building it to play MMORPG's, eq2 eqlive maby some WoW, realy ram /vidcard intensive games ><! __________________ no h8 only <3

12-13-2004, 07:05 PM	#4 (permalink)
debianuser Tilted Location: KY	I built a very nice AMD64 3000+ system for ~$800 I ordered everything from newegg, the site is great very fast on everything. 1GB PC3200 Corsair ram (go with 1GB you wont be dissapointed) 160 GB HDD AMD64 3000+ Soltek MoBo Cheap case (Still looks very nice though) Asus Nvidia 5700 LE video card (Nice card, wish i would have spent more though) One suggestion is don't go cheap on the graphics card. Mine was ~$125 and I wish I would have spent more. ~Zach __________________ ice ice baby

12-13-2004, 07:10 PM	#5 (permalink)
debianuser Tilted Location: KY	Btw, you can get PCI-e on a socket 939 MoBo...this is the beauty of the NForce 4 chipset. Check it out, the motherboards start at around $200 and you may have to wait a week or so for them to be released. http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=...ogle&scoring=p ~Zach __________________ ice ice baby

12-13-2004, 08:22 PM	#6 (permalink)
Knoweffects Tilted Location: san marcos CA	im definately getting 1gig of ram or more, but i was debateing on if i should say, get 1.5 or maby even 2, or just realy nice quality 1gig~ definately not skimping out on the vid card, was planning on getting all my stuff from newegg also heh~ socket 939 is AMD? thought it was intel~ __________________ no h8 only <3

12-14-2004, 04:26 PM	#7 (permalink)
Lasereth Knight of the Old Republic Location: Winston-Salem, NC	$2000 is an absurd amount for building your own PC. You're gonna have a top of the line ownage machine with that kind of money. AMD Athlon 64 3400+ Retail - $271 Soltek SL-K8T Pro - $115 Western Digital Raptor 74GB 10,000 RPM SATA Hard Drive - $150 1 GB PC3200 Corsair Value RAM - $145 eVGA NVIDIA GeForce 6800 GT AGP 256 MB - $400 Case, CD-RW, Floppy - $150 Enermax 350w PSU - $60 Cables - $30 $1321 TOTAL You could even "upgrade" the processor even more since you have like $700 leftover. This setup that I made would be unbelieveable in gaming. You can't go wrong with an Athlon 64 and 6800 GT combo. -Lasereth __________________ "A Darwinian attacks his theory, seeking to find flaws. An ID believer defends his theory, seeking to conceal flaws." -Roger Ebert

12-14-2004, 06:53 PM	#10 (permalink)
Knoweffects Tilted Location: san marcos CA	sounds to me like AFR would run alot smoother to me, or just generaly work a little better. um i just mean i have alotted myself up to 2g to spend and i myself was kinda planning on useing round 1500, and getting 2gigs of ram exc. um i dunno when im getting the money (inheritance, house needs to be sold, exc) and im not realy wanting to have to wait to get one, as i have no computer atm (well, useing a friends 400mhz wuwu!) no one even consiters useing a pentium chip? ive always been partial to AMD and everyone blindly agrees that AMD will run games faster (honestly no ones ever shown me much proof, dispite intel posting higher numbers, i know for the numbers AMD is far quicker, my friend had an intel 100mhz faster, same vid card same ram as me and we would lan the same games and he would always run slower, even if i was hosting) anyways, intels get pritty high numbers and i know a few ppl that run the games im going to be running and they say there 3ghz+ chips do fine? eh, just something i was thinking about. __________________ no h8 only <3