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7w17ch · 12-09-2004, 08:43 PM

hi all, i have a redhat based firewall with apache set up, but i am not sure how to go about building my first web page. what languages/protocols should i concider working with. i plan on starting with html, but i was also thinking about using some php as well. any suggestions?

Rawb · 12-09-2004, 09:07 PM

PHP would be my recommendation, it works well, and quickly.

To get started in PHP, install all of the necessary packages, then find the php configuration file (php.ini), turn magic quotes off, and register globals to off (This will break a lot of prebuilt PHP software that wasn't built right, but you can turn it back on in .htaccess files for specific directories).

There are a dozen or so PHP guides online, and to do many useful things with PHP you will either need MySQL or SQLite, most of the guides are based around MySQL, so you will probably want to start there.

Let me know if you need some more pointers... I tend to start out general, to get the ideas going, and then answer specifics when you get to them. (Otherwise, it's just a load of information all coming at you at once)

7w17ch · 12-09-2004, 11:49 PM

ill definatly post back when i have the router back online. im in the middle of a move and havent yet gotten internet in the home.... somewhat frustrating i assure you. but thank you for the tips i will start looking into the php guides. yay reading over break.

bal8664 · 12-10-2004, 12:59 AM

Also look into learning css. Css has single handedly changed the way i develope websites.

devnull · 12-10-2004, 07:06 AM

When you create a website, I'd suggest learning the newer standards and trying to make your webpages XHTML Strict compliant, and use CSS 2.0 for all of the design. Try to stay away from table usage as much as humanly possible and rely on the CSS for layout and coloring. For your dynamic needs, go with PHP as aoeuhtns suggested.

Start with XHTML and CSS to make yourself some static pages so you can learn the basics, then move onto including PHP in the sites to build some more dynamic functionality to your pages. There are a ton of great resources out there to learn XHTML, CSS and PHP. I personally recommend W3Schools and DevShed.

12-10-2004, 12:23 PM

Im not sure how much you know about html dev but Ill go ahead and say my part; do yourself a favor and save time use include files and keep your site as dynamic as possible. Use a banner.inc, a reference links.inc, a style.inc. and if you want free hosting with a minimum of downtime you can look at 1asphost.com. Then I just use godaddy.com to park my domains and forward to my free page. Use masking which is free and all in all I only pay for my 3 domains $7.50 per year. Also they give 500mb free space. If anybody knows a better solution to keeping it cheap let me know please.

7w17ch · 12-13-2004, 04:02 PM

for keeping it cheap, i suggest going with dyndns.org they allow you to have a dns lookup name associated with your broadband. basically you keep the client running on your firewall and it updates their server every time your ip is cycled. this is usefull on a development level where you are not expecting a lot of traffic. you can later upgrade your account to add your own domain name instead of one that they allow you to choose from.

12-09-2004, 08:43 PM	#1 (permalink)
7w17ch Upright Location: 127.0.0.1	web development hi all, i have a redhat based firewall with apache set up, but i am not sure how to go about building my first web page. what languages/protocols should i concider working with. i plan on starting with html, but i was also thinking about using some php as well. any suggestions?

12-09-2004, 09:07 PM	#2 (permalink)
Rawb Crazy Location: Salt Town, UT	PHP would be my recommendation, it works well, and quickly. To get started in PHP, install all of the necessary packages, then find the php configuration file (php.ini), turn magic quotes off, and register globals to off (This will break a lot of prebuilt PHP software that wasn't built right, but you can turn it back on in .htaccess files for specific directories). There are a dozen or so PHP guides online, and to do many useful things with PHP you will either need MySQL or SQLite, most of the guides are based around MySQL, so you will probably want to start there. Let me know if you need some more pointers... I tend to start out general, to get the ideas going, and then answer specifics when you get to them. (Otherwise, it's just a load of information all coming at you at once)

12-09-2004, 11:49 PM	#3 (permalink)
7w17ch Upright Location: 127.0.0.1	ill definatly post back when i have the router back online. im in the middle of a move and havent yet gotten internet in the home.... somewhat frustrating i assure you. but thank you for the tips i will start looking into the php guides. yay reading over break.

12-10-2004, 12:59 AM	#4 (permalink)
bal8664 Crazy Location: Rochester, NY	Also look into learning css. Css has single handedly changed the way i develope websites.

12-10-2004, 07:06 AM	#5 (permalink)
devnull Crazy Location: Bit Bucket	When you create a website, I'd suggest learning the newer standards and trying to make your webpages XHTML Strict compliant, and use CSS 2.0 for all of the design. Try to stay away from table usage as much as humanly possible and rely on the CSS for layout and coloring. For your dynamic needs, go with PHP as aoeuhtns suggested. Start with XHTML and CSS to make yourself some static pages so you can learn the basics, then move onto including PHP in the sites to build some more dynamic functionality to your pages. There are a ton of great resources out there to learn XHTML, CSS and PHP. I personally recommend W3Schools and DevShed.

12-10-2004, 12:23 PM	#6 (permalink)
OperativeK Guest	Im not sure how much you know about html dev but Ill go ahead and say my part; do yourself a favor and save time use include files and keep your site as dynamic as possible. Use a banner.inc, a reference links.inc, a style.inc. and if you want free hosting with a minimum of downtime you can look at 1asphost.com. Then I just use godaddy.com to park my domains and forward to my free page. Use masking which is free and all in all I only pay for my 3 domains $7.50 per year. Also they give 500mb free space. If anybody knows a better solution to keeping it cheap let me know please.

12-13-2004, 04:02 PM	#7 (permalink)
7w17ch Upright Location: 127.0.0.1	for keeping it cheap, i suggest going with dyndns.org they allow you to have a dns lookup name associated with your broadband. basically you keep the client running on your firewall and it updates their server every time your ip is cycled. this is usefull on a development level where you are not expecting a lot of traffic. you can later upgrade your account to add your own domain name instead of one that they allow you to choose from.