kutulu

Actually, no, you don't have to do that. It is possible to order using a drag down list and have it shipped to you, in fact unless you are building a computer, that's how you can do things with almost all manufacturers when ordering online. On a side note, what is wrong with doing things yourself? Shouldn't an educated user be able to do something simple like putting in RAM?

You act like it's wrong that the PC market is set up in a way that allows users to chose to either let their computer get outdated or to upgrade and keep it up with the trends. I don't see that as wrong. User flexibility is never wrong.

True, the AW isn't out yet, but you can order it now and it will ship in mid october.

rubicon

Internet Explorer for the Mac is an abysmal application under OS9 or OSX. In fact, it's not much better under Windows.

OS9 is dead as is Windows 9x and not much of a benchmark compared with OSX and XP.

I'm not sure what you mean about OSX compatibility but there are a great many OSX apps out there. I'm talking about mainstream stuff as I'm sure there is some specific app that might not exist for OSX. I know that GPS software is almost non-existent for OSX.

Generally I think that Mac users are far less tech savvy than PC users because they don't need to be. PC users are accustomed to a number of maintenance tasks and don't even think twice about them anymore. I'm not sure that makes XP (or any other OS for that matter) a better system.

My hairdresser told me today that she's had to run spyware removal software on her PC a number of times, never clicks "Yes" to running ActiveX (or similar) downloads, regularly defrags her drive (I'm not sure why...) and other related clean up tasks. For god's sake, should any computer user have to do this? Let alone someone who is on the opposite end of tech-savvy.

Anyway, the discussions about PC vs. Mac hardware is a moot point. It's what it is. Computer use is a personal preference and what you like today you may not like tomorrow. What you buy today may be completely different in 5-10 years when your family/job/financial status changes.

The originator of this point was simply sharing his experience of switching from Mac to PC. Unfortunately the remainder of the thread turned into a traditional Mac vs. PC discussion.

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tupacalypse1622

i thought after i built my own comp i would be free of errors and crashes and such since i wouldnt have any of that bullshit useless junk they preinstall with dells and other major manufacturers...but i guess its windows and other programs that run on pcs that cause errors....while i havent had any serious problems or crashes...i find it annoying that i have seen a minor error pop up from an app once in a while...i guess that is part of the trade-off....as of now i am enjoying the fruits of my labor and running games nicely with a machine that i put together.....in the future i'm thinking of getting a powerbook for school related purposes...and of course keeping my gaming rig in my room...maybe going for a dual-monitor setup...too bad macs are so expensive...

regardless...i am willing to give them a try soon

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kutulu

I think people are way too picky. How many highly complicated machines such are computers, cars, etc worth perfectly for their entire lifespan without ever needing to perform any maintenance? MAC's aren't perfect either, otherwise there wouldn't be hundreds of support message boards.

How often does a PC crash mean its unusable for a few hours? It's the classic Mac users attempt to over-exaggerate how perfect their machines are and toally play up on the fact that PCs crash, etc. Besides, how often does a PC crash? Using XP, my work computer crashes maybe twice a month (I always run at least 4 apps so I don't have to re-open it when I come back to it) and my home PC crashes about once a week. When it does crash, it's a 60 second inconvenience, it's hardly the end of the world that Mac users like to portray it as. Looking at the situation honsestly, restarting the computer once a day and spending an hour or two a month on maintenance (usually, you can just set it to go automatically) will take less than 1% of your precious time, so is spending $500-$1000 more worth 1%?

Xepidemic

so i did a google search and found this website. http://www.mac-sucks.com/ any truth to it?

rubicon

This is the last I'm going to indulge this dead thread about why X is better than Y. Before I continue:

You (not Xepidemic you but the generic You) and I can find a list of reasons why everything on this Earth sucks. We are Opinion Generating Machines with a sole purpose to advance our cause, whatever it is. I hope everyone responds to the mass media, their neighbor, their boss, knowing that each of them have an agenda. That said, here I go in response to why the 10 Reasons NOT to Switch are partly bullshit.

1 - it does just work. I'm telling you, I make a living as a IT consultant in the PC world. After using the Mac for a bit, it does just work better. Maybe your tolerance for pain is greater than mine when it relates to Windows.

PCs can only be upgraded so far. Perhaps you can't install a Athlon XP running at 400 MHz because your system board only supports 266. Whatever the case, when you're ready to give new life to your PC you end up buying a new one. Same goes for PC laptops.

OS X is based on FreeBSD. Big deal. In fact, it's based off of the NeXT operating system from the early 90s when Jobs left (ahem, fired) Apple. It too was based on FreeBSD and based on something called "UNIX" that got very little attention in the Business sector. UNIX was popular in government and scientific areans but not business. In fact, Chrysler bought a number of NeXT boxes for development but unfortunately they closed up shop. As usual, Jobs was a foward thinker regard to UNIX in the consume sector as Slackware Linux was just peeking around the corner and a heap of fun installing from 29 floppies.

Windows XP is based on Windows 2000 based on Windows NT based on the never-released OS from IBM and Microsoft. MS had some different ideas and bailed on IBM.

Let's get the history correct.

2 - Every computer crashes. My Mac hardly crashes and my XP hardly crashes. It's not as much about crashing as ease of use and maintenance. I'm really, really, tired of MS security patches and the mish mash of application integration.

You don't need to reinstall the system on a Mac. OK, maybe with OS7-9 but OS X is based on UNIX and has a jillion log files.

3 - The whole "digital music" thing is marketing speak from every company that produces a player. Get over it.

4 - iPhoto is pretty nice and you don't have to scour the Internet to find it. Windows Picture Viewer leaves much to be desired. Apple gives their users a nice amount of software out of the box and unlike Dell or other systems, it's not stripped down versions of commercial products. Why should a new XP user have to hunt around for a decent freeware app? And they'll probably go into CompUSA and buy since not every computer person is a tech head.

5 - <sigh> That guy doesn't give up his tirade.

6 - Buy a bigger battery. Who cares.

Switching between Ethernet, wifi, etc. isn't so smooth on XP. If it were, my dad would quit calling me asking for help. Sometimes it works for him, sometimes it doesn't. My PowerBook can switch between anything without any hiccups.

Without a restart... OK so Apple was a bit behind on that one but so was the author for stating you need to completely reinstall a problematic OS X system.

7 - QuickTime tends to offer better video quality but isn't worth the extra effort. Who cares, really, when you can download WMP or Real?

8 - Um, the fact you can run Office on a Mac and PC with almost zero incompatibilites. Secondly, we want Office on the Mac because we're tired of XP.

9 - Apple used AppleTalk and Microsoft used NetBEUI. NetBEUI wasn't a routable protocol and was prone to saturating a busy network. NetBEUI was no better than AppleTalk, however ATalk (I think) was a routable protocol.

Wait a second, no one uses either of them so who cares?

10 - Apple does create nicer looking equipment. OK, their mouse sucks but so do PC keyboards that don't put the Backslash above the Enter key.

I'm done with this topic. Use whatever you want.

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Willravel

The bottom line IS use whatever you want. This post was not for anything but showing my story. I am not in the 'war' between PC/Mac. For those of you who are, relax and go eat some snacks.