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Stunt_101 · 08-12-2004, 03:27 PM

hey fellaz ive been thinking on buying a new processor (amd 64 bit) cuz i only got a 1.8Ghz pentium 4 right now (need the boost for doom 3 lol and maybe half life 2) but i was just asking if anyone knows about a significant upgrade coming soon to intels products cuz i dont want to waste money on the amd processors if intel is about to have something big come out thx

Lasereth · 08-12-2004, 04:34 PM

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Originally posted by Stunt_101
cuz i dont want to waste money on the amd processors if intel is about to have something big come out thx

That's an oxymoron.

You don't wanna waste money on an AMD processor yet Intel's are way more expensive! Anyway, Intel does have some very big projects coming out soon. Their new socket is the biggest news. If you wanna spend money on an Athlon 64, I'd go for it. You'll do good if you spend money on AMD or Intel...the companies are sort of like NVIDIA and ATI at the moment, each company having kick ass products for everyone. To answer your question, yes, Intel may have some big processors come out, but it doesn't matter because AMD will launch something to compete with it as usual.

-Lasereth

iamii · 08-12-2004, 05:49 PM

I have to agree with Laserath, go with the AMD 64 bit chip, cause they will definetly be cheaper than any intel 64 bit chip that comes out.
Also remember that other than linux there is no 64 bit operating system out yet... so you would be only using this chip for gaming.

debianuser · 08-12-2004, 06:58 PM

he is probably being fooled by the common misconseption that an AMD running at 1.8 Ghz is the same speed as an Intel running at 1.8 Ghz. Well that is not the case. AMD's do more work per clock cycle than the Pentium's.

Say an AMD runs at 1.8 Ghz, that is about the same as an intel running at 2+ Ghz.

With that out of the way, both companies have comparable speeds at around the same price.

I would have to agree with both Laserath and iamii and go with the AMD 64 bit chip. What type of video card and ram are you running. I would think a 1.8 Ghz P4 would be sufficient given enough ram and the right video card.

Lasereth · 08-12-2004, 07:01 PM

Yeah, debianuser has a point -- today's games are far more dependent on your videocard than your processor and RAM. I'd say your system resources needed for gaming are 40% videocard, 30% CPU, and 30% RAM. Without a good videocard, your system won't play games worth a shit even if it's a 3.0 HT Pentium 4 or an Athlon 64.

-Lasereth

Krycheck · 08-12-2004, 09:21 PM

Anything less than a ATI 9800 or a Nvidia 5900 on a AMD 64 bit chip is a bottleneck.

I love my FX53 chip. Well worth the money.

08-12-2004, 09:27 PM

the 64 bit Intel Chip is called the P4 extreme edition http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...116-166&depa=1

now the question is, do you have the money?

ChrisJericho · 08-12-2004, 10:16 PM

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Originally posted by Xepidemic
the 64 bit Intel Chip is called the P4 extreme edition http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...116-166&depa=1

The P4 Extreme Editions are not 64 bit.

redarrow · 08-12-2004, 10:30 PM

They are comparable to 64 bit.

kutulu · 08-13-2004, 09:15 AM

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Originally posted by Xepidemic
now the question is, do you have the money?

Damn, and I thought the FX-53 was expensive! With the AMD's what is the difference between the socket 939 and and socket 940?

Lasereth · 08-13-2004, 10:43 AM

Socket 940 requires ECC Registered DDR RAM while Socket 939 doesn't. Socket 939 also benefits from a faster memory bandwidth. This results in Socket 939 processors that have less L2 cache and less clock speed than the Socket 940 processors actually having better performance. In a nutshell, Socket 940 was a move to keep AMD in the market temporarily in the super-high end users. Now that they've had time to design what they really need, Socket 939 is the way to go. AMD has actually discontinued processors for Socket 940.

-Lasereth

08-13-2004, 11:34 AM

yeah your right jericho. ooops! but theres a "rumor" that the prescott has built in 64-bit extensions (yamhill??) haha. i hope its true! cuz i have a prescott. but probably not.

Stunt_101 · 08-13-2004, 06:31 PM

i have a ati 9700 pro video card and 1 GB of ram so i think thats good to go but im still laggin in doom 3 going at medium graphics so ive been told if i got a new processor and mobo ill see a significant result in my games

Jolt · 08-14-2004, 12:23 PM

ia64 = Intel Itanium

ia32 (formerly known as x86) = Intel P4, Intel Xeon, AMD AthlonXP, AMD Sempron

amd64 = AMD Athlon64, Athlon64FX, and AMD Opteron.

the current amd64 architecture CPUs are reverse-compatible to ia32.

Intel's next-gen processors will incorporate "EM64T" which is a set of 64-bit memory extensions. read about it here .

It's interesting how history repeats itself...20 years ago, the Motorola MC68000's 32-bit extensions allowed it - an 8-bit CPU - to power the new Macintosh and Amiga platforms.

One might also draw comparisons between the ia32 -> amd64 and m68k -> PowerPC transitions.

08-12-2004, 03:27 PM	#1 (permalink)
Stunt_101 Banned Location: Michigan	pentium 64 bit? hey fellaz ive been thinking on buying a new processor (amd 64 bit) cuz i only got a 1.8Ghz pentium 4 right now (need the boost for doom 3 lol and maybe half life 2) but i was just asking if anyone knows about a significant upgrade coming soon to intels products cuz i dont want to waste money on the amd processors if intel is about to have something big come out thx

08-12-2004, 06:58 PM	#4 (permalink)
debianuser Tilted Location: KY	he is probably being fooled by the common misconseption that an AMD running at 1.8 Ghz is the same speed as an Intel running at 1.8 Ghz. Well that is not the case. AMD's do more work per clock cycle than the Pentium's. Say an AMD runs at 1.8 Ghz, that is about the same as an intel running at 2+ Ghz. With that out of the way, both companies have comparable speeds at around the same price. I would have to agree with both Laserath and iamii and go with the AMD 64 bit chip. What type of video card and ram are you running. I would think a 1.8 Ghz P4 would be sufficient given enough ram and the right video card. __________________ ice ice baby

08-12-2004, 07:01 PM	#5 (permalink)
Lasereth Knight of the Old Republic Location: Winston-Salem, NC	Yeah, debianuser has a point -- today's games are far more dependent on your videocard than your processor and RAM. I'd say your system resources needed for gaming are 40% videocard, 30% CPU, and 30% RAM. Without a good videocard, your system won't play games worth a shit even if it's a 3.0 HT Pentium 4 or an Athlon 64. -Lasereth __________________ "A Darwinian attacks his theory, seeking to find flaws. An ID believer defends his theory, seeking to conceal flaws." -Roger Ebert

08-12-2004, 09:21 PM	#6 (permalink)
Krycheck Sultana ruined my evil persona Location: Los Angeles	Anything less than a ATI 9800 or a Nvidia 5900 on a AMD 64 bit chip is a bottleneck. I love my FX53 chip. Well worth the money. __________________ His pants are tight...but his morals are loose!!

08-12-2004, 09:27 PM	#7 (permalink)
Xepidemic Guest	the 64 bit Intel Chip is called the P4 extreme edition http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...116-166&depa=1 now the question is, do you have the money? Last edited by Xepidemic; 08-12-2004 at 09:29 PM..

08-12-2004, 05:49 PM	#3 (permalink)
iamii Crazy	I have to agree with Laserath, go with the AMD 64 bit chip, cause they will definetly be cheaper than any intel 64 bit chip that comes out. Also remember that other than linux there is no 64 bit operating system out yet... so you would be only using this chip for gaming.

08-12-2004, 10:30 PM	#9 (permalink)
redarrow Banned Location: i gotta go	They are comparable to 64 bit.

08-13-2004, 10:43 AM	#11 (permalink)
Lasereth Knight of the Old Republic Location: Winston-Salem, NC	Socket 940 requires ECC Registered DDR RAM while Socket 939 doesn't. Socket 939 also benefits from a faster memory bandwidth. This results in Socket 939 processors that have less L2 cache and less clock speed than the Socket 940 processors actually having better performance. In a nutshell, Socket 940 was a move to keep AMD in the market temporarily in the super-high end users. Now that they've had time to design what they really need, Socket 939 is the way to go. AMD has actually discontinued processors for Socket 940. -Lasereth __________________ "A Darwinian attacks his theory, seeking to find flaws. An ID believer defends his theory, seeking to conceal flaws." -Roger Ebert

08-13-2004, 11:34 AM	#12 (permalink)
Xepidemic Guest	yeah your right jericho. ooops! but theres a "rumor" that the prescott has built in 64-bit extensions (yamhill??) haha. i hope its true! cuz i have a prescott. but probably not.

08-13-2004, 06:31 PM	#13 (permalink)
Stunt_101 Banned Location: Michigan	i have a ati 9700 pro video card and 1 GB of ram so i think thats good to go but im still laggin in doom 3 going at medium graphics so ive been told if i got a new processor and mobo ill see a significant result in my games

08-14-2004, 12:23 PM	#14 (permalink)
Jolt Insane Location: Over here	ia64 = Intel Itanium ia32 (formerly known as x86) = Intel P4, Intel Xeon, AMD AthlonXP, AMD Sempron amd64 = AMD Athlon64, Athlon64FX, and AMD Opteron. the current amd64 architecture CPUs are reverse-compatible to ia32. Intel's next-gen processors will incorporate "EM64T" which is a set of 64-bit memory extensions. read about it here . It's interesting how history repeats itself...20 years ago, the Motorola MC68000's 32-bit extensions allowed it - an 8-bit CPU - to power the new Macintosh and Amiga platforms. One might also draw comparisons between the ia32 -> amd64 and m68k -> PowerPC transitions.