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Hanxter · 08-04-2004, 09:01 AM

seems the iPod may be a dinosaur afterall...

Long, long time ago I can still remember how Steve Jobs made us smile

He knew the Mac was truly great; it trumped that DOS made by Bill Gates

And dominated PCs for a while.

But '85 in retrospect looks like a case of gross neglect

Bad news of a crisis; the Mac, Jobs wouldn't license
I can't remember if I cried as I watched Apple's business slide

Too bad those lessons weren't applied The day the iPod died

So bye, bye to the Pod with an i

We'll use Real or just steal, swapping files on the fly

The Apple faithful might continue to buy

Singing, iPod has such elegant lines.

But iPod has such elegant lines.

linkage

in a story in usa today, steve jobs is accused of refusing the iPod tech to third parties, forcing other companies to work around the file sharing.

this could be good for consumers, as other providers become frustrated with apple, opening up new markets may prove cheaper and better in the long run.

microsoft scores again...

08-05-2004, 04:20 PM

That article is incorrect. I don't own an Ipod but I am fairly sure Ipods will play MP3's and iTunes format files. It only makes sense for apple to protect their iTunes format, right now they have %70 percent of the online music sales on %100 percent of the hardware. Thus, anyone wanting to use the most popular site to get legal music downloads will need an iPod, upping sales. If they had a very small market share, I could see the authors point. It would be insane to hand over the technology on a silver platter when they have a large porition of buissness being brought in so the consumer will have accsess to iTunes. This isn't the console wars where the hardware is sold at a loss and they get you on the software, Ipods aren't cheap and im sure the majority of apples profits are coming from Ipod hardware sales.

sadistikdreams · 08-05-2004, 10:04 PM

Yeah. iPods play mp3s, and the iTunes format.
You can also store assorted other files on it.

I dont see anything wrong with Apple keeping it's tech to itself.

I mean, seriously... Adware? Not on Apple OS.
Things don't go into Macs that easy.

billege · 08-08-2004, 07:00 PM

Aye, apple has the market share right now. However, I think it's certain they'll lose that.

It doesn't really matter anyway, the integration of music players into phones spells certain doom for standalone players. Now that we've got he cams in there, music is next. Once I've got that much memory, a camera, and an OLED screen, I've got a wireless PDA. Boom

As to what format music I keep on it, it's whatever's cheapest.
Apple maintains a small market share of dedciated computer fans, the ipod will go the same way.

clonmult · 08-12-2004, 03:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hanxter

in a story in usa today, steve jobs is accused of refusing the iPod tech to third parties, forcing other companies to work around the file sharing.

this could be good for consumers, as other providers become frustrated with apple, opening up new markets may prove cheaper and better in the long run.

microsoft scores again... [/B]

Thats inaccurate though, as Motorola has a deal with Apple for iTunes use on "future products", ie. next gen versions of things like the E398, that offers MP3 playback, and (currently) up to 128 meg transflash cards. The E398 is a viable alternative for someone that doesn't want to lug around 2 devices.

Key · 08-18-2004, 11:11 PM

While there ARE similarities between how the Mac was being handled and how the iPod currently is, Jobs isn't a moron.

Some other people have already pointed out some tidbits to indicate the article's swayed and hasn't been properly researched, but there's more. Apple has licensed the iPod technology to HP recently. Carly Fiorini, the CEO of HP, unveiled the HP Digital Player (marketing's not done, so i'm not certain what it will be called on release) a while ago, it was basically an iPod with the HP logo imprinted on the back. This indicates a huge move toward opening the iPod to the Windows crowd.

Mistakes happen, Jobs gambled big in the past trying to make Apple the only show in town, and it fell through. These failuress are exactly the reason those who have run failed startups before look like good prospects for hiring- they learn from their mistakes and know what to avoid and what to look out for. Sort of like battle-scarred heroes of war. You can be damn sure he's not going to make the same mistake twice, and current moves in the iPod business model show that very well.

There's just too many people readying themselves like vultures, waiting until he slips up and drops the ball. Too many competitors trying to get into the market. Napster, Dell, Sony, countless eyes are on him. He'll be extra careful.

As for the imminent doom of standalone mp3 players, it's far from being on it's last leg IMHO. Sure integration of devices like cell phones with mp3 capability will take a certain niche, but you will _never_ find the same level of sophitication. Cameras on phones may be getting better- but it will never reach a point where digicams stop selling altogether. A tiny market share maybe, but minute. Same with mp3 players, it just fills a different need. We're talking 40gb Jukebox players here, not 128mb flash based players.

08-04-2004, 09:01 AM	#1 (permalink)
Hanxter The Griffin	Apple's Control Freak Jobs seems the iPod may be a dinosaur afterall... Long, long time ago I can still remember how Steve Jobs made us smile He knew the Mac was truly great; it trumped that DOS made by Bill Gates And dominated PCs for a while. But '85 in retrospect looks like a case of gross neglect Bad news of a crisis; the Mac, Jobs wouldn't license I can't remember if I cried as I watched Apple's business slide Too bad those lessons weren't applied The day the iPod died So bye, bye to the Pod with an i We'll use Real or just steal, swapping files on the fly The Apple faithful might continue to buy Singing, iPod has such elegant lines. But iPod has such elegant lines. linkage in a story in usa today, steve jobs is accused of refusing the iPod tech to third parties, forcing other companies to work around the file sharing. this could be good for consumers, as other providers become frustrated with apple, opening up new markets may prove cheaper and better in the long run. microsoft scores again...

08-05-2004, 04:20 PM	#2 (permalink)
NotMinus Guest	That article is incorrect. I don't own an Ipod but I am fairly sure Ipods will play MP3's and iTunes format files. It only makes sense for apple to protect their iTunes format, right now they have %70 percent of the online music sales on %100 percent of the hardware. Thus, anyone wanting to use the most popular site to get legal music downloads will need an iPod, upping sales. If they had a very small market share, I could see the authors point. It would be insane to hand over the technology on a silver platter when they have a large porition of buissness being brought in so the consumer will have accsess to iTunes. This isn't the console wars where the hardware is sold at a loss and they get you on the software, Ipods aren't cheap and im sure the majority of apples profits are coming from Ipod hardware sales. Last edited by NotMinus; 08-05-2004 at 04:25 PM..

08-05-2004, 10:04 PM	#3 (permalink)
sadistikdreams lonely rolling star Location: Seattle.	Yeah. iPods play mp3s, and the iTunes format. You can also store assorted other files on it. I dont see anything wrong with Apple keeping it's tech to itself. I mean, seriously... Adware? Not on Apple OS. Things don't go into Macs that easy. __________________ "Besides the noble art of getting things done, there is the noble art of leaving things undone. The wisdom of life consists in the elimination of non-essentials." -Lin Yutang hearts, by d.a.

08-08-2004, 07:00 PM	#4 (permalink)
billege Watcher Location: Ohio	Aye, apple has the market share right now. However, I think it's certain they'll lose that. It doesn't really matter anyway, the integration of music players into phones spells certain doom for standalone players. Now that we've got he cams in there, music is next. Once I've got that much memory, a camera, and an OLED screen, I've got a wireless PDA. Boom As to what format music I keep on it, it's whatever's cheapest. Apple maintains a small market share of dedciated computer fans, the ipod will go the same way. __________________ I can sum up the clash of religion in one sentence: "My Invisible Friend is better than your Invisible Friend."

08-18-2004, 11:11 PM	#6 (permalink)
Key Crazy	While there ARE similarities between how the Mac was being handled and how the iPod currently is, Jobs isn't a moron. Some other people have already pointed out some tidbits to indicate the article's swayed and hasn't been properly researched, but there's more. Apple has licensed the iPod technology to HP recently. Carly Fiorini, the CEO of HP, unveiled the HP Digital Player (marketing's not done, so i'm not certain what it will be called on release) a while ago, it was basically an iPod with the HP logo imprinted on the back. This indicates a huge move toward opening the iPod to the Windows crowd. Mistakes happen, Jobs gambled big in the past trying to make Apple the only show in town, and it fell through. These failuress are exactly the reason those who have run failed startups before look like good prospects for hiring- they learn from their mistakes and know what to avoid and what to look out for. Sort of like battle-scarred heroes of war. You can be damn sure he's not going to make the same mistake twice, and current moves in the iPod business model show that very well. There's just too many people readying themselves like vultures, waiting until he slips up and drops the ball. Too many competitors trying to get into the market. Napster, Dell, Sony, countless eyes are on him. He'll be extra careful. As for the imminent doom of standalone mp3 players, it's far from being on it's last leg IMHO. Sure integration of devices like cell phones with mp3 capability will take a certain niche, but you will _never_ find the same level of sophitication. Cameras on phones may be getting better- but it will never reach a point where digicams stop selling altogether. A tiny market share maybe, but minute. Same with mp3 players, it just fills a different need. We're talking 40gb Jukebox players here, not 128mb flash based players.