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Old 04-14-2004, 10:01 PM   #1 (permalink)
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http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/news/041..._sapphire.html
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Old 04-14-2004, 10:18 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Mhm...saw this on slashdot yesterday.

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Scientists Create "Water" That Isn't Wet
NEW YORK CITY-April 13, 2004 ? A new chemical concocted by scientists at the Tyco's Fire and Security Division looks and acts just like water except for one thing... it doesn't get things wet.


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During Tuesday's Good Morning America, a representative of Tyco Fire and Security displayed the amazing properties of the chemical that's called "Sapphire."

The chemical has all the firefighting properties of water, yet it will not cause the damage to items that is usually associated with water.

As part of a demonstration, Pelton submerged several items into a tank of Sapphire that was on the Good Morning America set. Books did not get wet. Electronics were not be destroyed. Items that were submerged in the liquid were dried in a matter of seconds, and showed no ill effects according to Charles Gibson, Diane Sawyer and other members of the Good Morning America staff who saw items plunged into it.
Charles Gibson/Good Morning America: "It looks like water, but it's not."
The Sapphire is intended to become part of fire suppression systems in buildings. It would automatically be sprayed out of a building's sprinkler system when a fire is detected.
Dave Pelton/Tyco Fire and Security: "This material would protect various artifacts, collections. You could use it in museums, libraries, places of cultural property."
There was a substance that had similar properties produced in the past, but that fire suppression liquid was damaging the ozone layer. The new substance by Tyco is supposed to be environmentally safe.

(Copyright 2004 by WPVI-TV 6 and ABC News. All rights reserved.)
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Old 04-14-2004, 10:53 PM   #3 (permalink)
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that is really cool, if it does what it claims to. I would love to see it in action. Kind of difficult to believe something like this at this time
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Old 04-14-2004, 10:55 PM   #4 (permalink)
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That is some weird shit.
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Old 04-14-2004, 11:54 PM   #5 (permalink)
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that is really cool, if it does what it claims to. I would love to see it in action. Kind of difficult to believe something like this at this time
There are some pictures and videos.

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/news/041..._sapphire.html

Click the link above the article.

EDIT: Link fixed
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Old 04-15-2004, 12:22 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I've been thinking about the possibility of a cooling system that had the system immersed in a watertight box circulating some sort of nonconductive coolant (such as R-134a.) This would be cool to see as a reality without the power drain that refrigerating a computer would cause.
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Old 04-15-2004, 12:42 AM   #7 (permalink)
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http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/news/041..._tankwide.html

a picture slideshow. SM70, your link doesn't work
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Old 04-15-2004, 01:03 AM   #8 (permalink)
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C'mon peole, water-cooling will cease to be uber if you take all the danger out of it !!
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Old 04-15-2004, 05:43 AM   #9 (permalink)
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It most likely wouldnt work anyways.

The liquid's boiling point is something low, like 110* F. That isnt going to work for liquid cooling--the processor would just boil it off. One would also need to find out the thermal properties of the stuff--how much heat will it hold, and how easy is it to get rid of that heat? This stuff isnt quite the perfect coolant yet...
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Old 04-15-2004, 08:12 AM   #10 (permalink)
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It most likely wouldnt work anyways.

The liquid's boiling point is something low, like 110* F. That isnt going to work for liquid cooling--the processor would just boil it off.
If the boiling point is really that low, will it even be that effective as a fire extinguisher?
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Old 04-15-2004, 10:07 AM   #11 (permalink)
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our school has a Halon release system for the servers in the business building. Halon fucks up oxygen (tears it apart or something, don't ask) so that the fires go out automatically, without water. the only problem is that the Halon costs 14,000 bucks everytime it is fully discharged. but hey, look at all the stuff you just saved (computer equipment etc).
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Old 04-17-2004, 07:38 AM   #12 (permalink)
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They had some compound on the ScreenSavers a few months ago that did this. It was a non-conductive fluid that you immersed the mobo in. They cooled the cpu to below freezing with no problem.
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Old 04-17-2004, 07:53 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Is that the same stuff they showed like 10 years ago. Stuff used to cool cray supper computers. ?
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Old 04-17-2004, 12:17 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I had two thoughts: one, if you pour water into this will the water form a sphere in the center of the tank or simply float/sink and two, is the chemical compound of this stuff set so that it only bonds with itself and super tight ?
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Old 04-17-2004, 12:33 PM   #15 (permalink)
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It probably causes severe and nearly instantaneous cancer in lab rats and will subsequently be banned by the government for all eternity.

Suppose you could hook a few Peltier coolers against a radiator for the fluid and cool it to below its boiling point, but what would the point of that be? Might as well refrigerate the case...
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Old 04-17-2004, 01:09 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I'd like to see a combination of this stuff with this technology: http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthr...threadid=52654

that would make for a sweet submersion system
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Old 04-17-2004, 09:42 PM   #17 (permalink)
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this is really old, i remember they combined some 3m testing fluid with liquid hydrogen a few years ago to cool pc's, first thing I though of when i saw the link on fark, its nothing new
http://www.octools.com/index.cgi?cal...ubmersion.html
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Old 04-18-2004, 08:08 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Might as well refrigerate the case...
Then you have the condensation issue.
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Old 04-18-2004, 10:29 PM   #19 (permalink)
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our school has a Halon release system for the servers in the business building. Halon fucks up oxygen (tears it apart or something, don't ask) so that the fires go out automatically, without water. the only problem is that the Halon costs 14,000 bucks everytime it is fully discharged. but hey, look at all the stuff you just saved (computer equipment etc).

Halon displaces oxygen, it doesn't do anything to oxygen; it just crowds it out thus suffocating the fire.

My cube is in the server room, if our CO2 system goes off, I get a warning before it goes off and I get suffocated.

Halon is expensive because its manufacture was bannned after it was found to be ozone depleting. However, Halon systems may still be used. They're just not installed anymore.

This is a decent link for more info:

http://www.fssa.net/about/faq.cfm
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Old 04-19-2004, 10:01 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Then you have the condensation issue.
I use this white powdery stuff to attract all humidity. My family bought it for our cars -- we live in a humid environment -- to attract the water in the air and stop mildew. It works pretty well and not I use it in my computer room.

There's about an 2 ounces of water to pour out of the cup every day.
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Old 04-21-2004, 09:41 AM   #21 (permalink)
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There was a substance that had similar properties produced in the past, but that fire suppression liquid was damaging the ozone layer. The new substance by Tyco is supposed to be environmentally safe.
Ive used that stuff, my uncle worked for dow and he brought home a little container of this white powder one afternoon when i was visiting him, you just ad alcohol (real alcohol, not beer ) and it turned into this water lookin stuff but you could put it in your pockets and stuff w/o getting wet. it was _GREAT_ for practical jokes.
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