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numberfive · 01-26-2004, 07:29 PM

Ok, I just got a MS-6734 Micro ATX Motherboard for my computer since my old motherboard is pretty crappy. I also got a 1.6GHz AMD CPU for it.

So I install the CPU and the fan. Then I took out the old motherboard, put the new one in, and to my dismay, some parts wouldn't fit. Well, just the LED lights (I believe). So my first question is, if I leave those unplugged (the LED lights) would the computer still work?

Next I noticed I didn't have a 12V thing on my power supply (it's a square with 4 pins). So I'm assuming thats the reason why it didn't turn on. So I'm thinking about getting this. But before I do, I want to make sure that's the problem, and not something else.

http://members.cox.net/ding0/sad.jpg

The things that are circled are the ones that I'm missing.

*sigh*

Help :\

Lasereth · 01-26-2004, 08:20 PM

If you don't plug the LED cords into the motherboard correctly, everything should still work fine.

If I'm not mistaken, the square-4 prong cable from the PSU is for Pentium 4 processors. I didn't know any AMD motherboards supported them, so that's a bit confusing to me.

If it simply won't turn on, I'd switch the polarity of the Power Switch cable connected to the motherboard and try again. Good luck!

*EDIT* You did plug the cords from the case into the motherboard, right? None of the LEDs will work, the power switch won't work, it won't reset, and all sorts of other problems will occur if you don't plug them in correctly (or at all). I figured you had them plugged in, but I don't see where they could plug in at if you're missing everything that's circled.

-Lasereth

numberfive · 01-26-2004, 08:49 PM

The only ones that came with the motherboard were IDE 1, IDE 2 and FDD 1. So I think I had everything I could connect, connected.

How do you switch the polarity? Is it just flipping that red switch on the back of the computer?

Yeah, I'm new to this whole motherboard business but I figure I'll be good learning experiance.

sixate · 01-26-2004, 09:14 PM

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Originally posted by numberfive
How do you switch the polarity? Is it just flipping that red switch on the back of the computer?

No. The wires that come from the power switch is what Lasereth is talking about(I think). They have to be plugged into the motherboard for the PC to turn on. If you have those crossed up it won't turn on. There should be 2 wires for the power switch.

Your power switch will most likely connect to the JFP1 or JFP2 connectors which you have circled at the bottom right. Just refer to the manual that came with you motherboard to make sure you connect things properly.

numberfive · 01-26-2004, 10:21 PM

You're right. I'm looking at the manual and it says connect it to the JFP1 connecter. Well, I'm gonna take another stab at it. Thanks for the help guys and wish me luck.

numberfive · 01-26-2004, 11:05 PM

Ok well I tried it and it seems my, what I call 'power connector' fits my old motherboard (it's pretty big) doesn't fit my new one. Say, my old connector looks like this (o means open, x means closed):

oooooooo
ooooooxo

Something like that, and the old motherboard has the appropriate pins to connect it to. The new motherboard has what you see above:

oooox
ooooo

Something like that. So no matter how I try to plug the 'power connector' into the new motherboard it wont work.

So my new question is, well, what now? Do I get a new case or something, that has a 'power connector' that fits the new motherboard?

*distressed but a bit smarter*

Buk · 01-27-2004, 01:34 AM

You just need a new power supply that fits your current case, shouldn't be too expensive

sixate · 01-27-2004, 03:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by numberfive
Ok well I tried it and it seems my, what I call 'power connector' fits my old motherboard (it's pretty big) doesn't fit my new one. Say, my old connector looks like this (o means open, x means closed):

oooooooo
ooooooxo

Something like that, and the old motherboard has the appropriate pins to connect it to. The new motherboard has what you see above:

oooox
ooooo

Something like that. So no matter how I try to plug the 'power connector' into the new motherboard it wont work.

So my new question is, well, what now? Do I get a new case or something, that has a 'power connector' that fits the new motherboard?

*distressed but a bit smarter*

Is the connector for you power switch a big ass plug or does it look more like this:

It's not the best pic, but that was the best I could find. This is all the wires that I have in my case. I found this on a site that has a review of the case I bought. The set of wires toward the top are for the front USB, ignore those. All the wires in the bottom of the pic are for the LED's and the power switch. The power switch in my case is a little plug that takes up 4 spots, but only has two wires. To follow your example it would be like this: oooo

All 4 spots are open, but only the outside 2 have wires in them. Yours may be different, and it may cause you problems, but this stuff should be pretty standard.

numberfive · 01-27-2004, 05:47 AM

Yeah, it's a bigass plug.

bltzkriegmcanon · 01-27-2004, 06:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by numberfive
Yeah, it's a big ASS plug.

Lolz

sixate · 01-27-2004, 06:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by numberfive
Yeah, it's a bigass plug.

Sounds like you might be screwed.. What kind of case is it?

shakran · 01-27-2004, 07:01 AM

what was your old motherboard/chip? Almost sounds like you're trying to go from AT to ATX

Lasereth · 01-27-2004, 08:55 AM

Yeah, I was talking about the power switch and reset switch, etc. that plug onto the motherboard from the case. If it's too big for your motherboard, you might be fucked. I'd see if there's a converter or something. I know that my old-ass K6-2 motherboard used different plugs for the power and all...that resulted in the new case its in not having any LEDs working on the front...no reset switch either. Oh well, at least the power switch worked.

Good luck!

-Lasereth

merkerguitars · 01-27-2004, 12:15 PM

Yeah seems like you might be going from a premade computer (aka gateway) to standard atx components.....I know some computers like to make their plugs as one big one instead of individual ones.....which then makes a pain in the ass to upgrade cases

numberfive · 01-27-2004, 02:33 PM

Thats exactly what I'm trying to do merker.

Got any tips, advice, uplifting info?

merkerguitars · 01-27-2004, 05:26 PM

well you can find plug connectors from another case and cut and splice......otherwise you can just blow the money on the case...a decent low price case is only about $50 with a good power supply. It will probably save you alot of time and hassle.

numberfive · 01-27-2004, 05:33 PM

Whew, ok. Thats what I was gonna do from the beginning (get a new case/powersupply). Just wanted to make sure I wasn't wasting my money.

Man, I love this place.

Thanks everyone!

Lasereth · 01-27-2004, 05:42 PM

Oh, I suggest www.directron.com , www.xoxide.com , and www.newegg.com for cases. Unless you're gonna have a ton of components or an incredibly powerful videocard, a standard case with a 350w POWMAX or RAIDMAX PSU will do fine. NewEgg has cases with lots of bays and a 400w PSU for $20.00. Not bad if ya ask me!

-Lasereth

01-26-2004, 07:29 PM	#1 (permalink)
numberfive You + Me = Us Location: California dreaming...	Motherboard, power, and stuff I don't know. Ok, I just got a MS-6734 Micro ATX Motherboard for my computer since my old motherboard is pretty crappy. I also got a 1.6GHz AMD CPU for it. So I install the CPU and the fan. Then I took out the old motherboard, put the new one in, and to my dismay, some parts wouldn't fit. Well, just the LED lights (I believe). So my first question is, if I leave those unplugged (the LED lights) would the computer still work? Next I noticed I didn't have a 12V thing on my power supply (it's a square with 4 pins). So I'm assuming thats the reason why it didn't turn on. So I'm thinking about getting this. But before I do, I want to make sure that's the problem, and not something else. http://members.cox.net/ding0/sad.jpg The things that are circled are the ones that I'm missing. sigh Help :\ __________________ P.S. Always remember: to forget is a form of suicide. (If I could only remember to forget myself.)

01-26-2004, 08:20 PM	#2 (permalink)
Lasereth Knight of the Old Republic Location: Winston-Salem, NC	If you don't plug the LED cords into the motherboard correctly, everything should still work fine. If I'm not mistaken, the square-4 prong cable from the PSU is for Pentium 4 processors. I didn't know any AMD motherboards supported them, so that's a bit confusing to me. If it simply won't turn on, I'd switch the polarity of the Power Switch cable connected to the motherboard and try again. Good luck! EDIT You did plug the cords from the case into the motherboard, right? None of the LEDs will work, the power switch won't work, it won't reset, and all sorts of other problems will occur if you don't plug them in correctly (or at all). I figured you had them plugged in, but I don't see where they could plug in at if you're missing everything that's circled. -Lasereth __________________ "A Darwinian attacks his theory, seeking to find flaws. An ID believer defends his theory, seeking to conceal flaws." -Roger Ebert Last edited by Lasereth; 01-26-2004 at 08:25 PM..

01-26-2004, 08:49 PM	#3 (permalink)
numberfive You + Me = Us Location: California dreaming...	The only ones that came with the motherboard were IDE 1, IDE 2 and FDD 1. So I think I had everything I could connect, connected. How do you switch the polarity? Is it just flipping that red switch on the back of the computer? Yeah, I'm new to this whole motherboard business but I figure I'll be good learning experiance. __________________ P.S. Always remember: to forget is a form of suicide. (If I could only remember to forget myself.)

01-26-2004, 10:21 PM	#5 (permalink)
numberfive You + Me = Us Location: California dreaming...	You're right. I'm looking at the manual and it says connect it to the JFP1 connecter. Well, I'm gonna take another stab at it. Thanks for the help guys and wish me luck. __________________ P.S. Always remember: to forget is a form of suicide. (If I could only remember to forget myself.)

01-26-2004, 11:05 PM	#6 (permalink)
numberfive You + Me = Us Location: California dreaming...	Ok well I tried it and it seems my, what I call 'power connector' fits my old motherboard (it's pretty big) doesn't fit my new one. Say, my old connector looks like this (o means open, x means closed): oooooooo ooooooxo Something like that, and the old motherboard has the appropriate pins to connect it to. The new motherboard has what you see above: oooox ooooo Something like that. So no matter how I try to plug the 'power connector' into the new motherboard it wont work. So my new question is, well, what now? Do I get a new case or something, that has a 'power connector' that fits the new motherboard? distressed but a bit smarter __________________ P.S. Always remember: to forget is a form of suicide. (If I could only remember to forget myself.)

01-27-2004, 01:34 AM	#7 (permalink)
Buk Addict Location: Seattle, WA	You just need a new power supply that fits your current case, shouldn't be too expensive

01-27-2004, 05:47 AM	#9 (permalink)
numberfive You + Me = Us Location: California dreaming...	Yeah, it's a bigass plug. __________________ P.S. Always remember: to forget is a form of suicide. (If I could only remember to forget myself.)

01-27-2004, 07:01 AM	#12 (permalink)
shakran Tone.	what was your old motherboard/chip? Almost sounds like you're trying to go from AT to ATX

01-27-2004, 08:55 AM	#13 (permalink)
Lasereth Knight of the Old Republic Location: Winston-Salem, NC	Yeah, I was talking about the power switch and reset switch, etc. that plug onto the motherboard from the case. If it's too big for your motherboard, you might be fucked. I'd see if there's a converter or something. I know that my old-ass K6-2 motherboard used different plugs for the power and all...that resulted in the new case its in not having any LEDs working on the front...no reset switch either. Oh well, at least the power switch worked. Good luck! -Lasereth __________________ "A Darwinian attacks his theory, seeking to find flaws. An ID believer defends his theory, seeking to conceal flaws." -Roger Ebert

01-27-2004, 12:15 PM	#14 (permalink)
merkerguitars Buffering......... Location: Wisconsin...	Yeah seems like you might be going from a premade computer (aka gateway) to standard atx components.....I know some computers like to make their plugs as one big one instead of individual ones.....which then makes a pain in the ass to upgrade cases __________________ Donate now! Ask me How! Please use the search function it is your friend. Look at my mustang please feel free to comment! http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthread.php?t=26985

01-27-2004, 02:33 PM	#15 (permalink)
numberfive You + Me = Us Location: California dreaming...	Thats exactly what I'm trying to do merker. Got any tips, advice, uplifting info? __________________ P.S. Always remember: to forget is a form of suicide. (If I could only remember to forget myself.)

01-27-2004, 05:26 PM	#16 (permalink)
merkerguitars Buffering......... Location: Wisconsin...	well you can find plug connectors from another case and cut and splice......otherwise you can just blow the money on the case...a decent low price case is only about $50 with a good power supply. It will probably save you alot of time and hassle. __________________ Donate now! Ask me How! Please use the search function it is your friend. Look at my mustang please feel free to comment! http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthread.php?t=26985

01-27-2004, 05:33 PM	#17 (permalink)
numberfive You + Me = Us Location: California dreaming...	Whew, ok. Thats what I was gonna do from the beginning (get a new case/powersupply). Just wanted to make sure I wasn't wasting my money. Man, I love this place. Thanks everyone! __________________ P.S. Always remember: to forget is a form of suicide. (If I could only remember to forget myself.)

01-27-2004, 05:42 PM	#18 (permalink)
Lasereth Knight of the Old Republic Location: Winston-Salem, NC	Oh, I suggest www.directron.com , www.xoxide.com , and www.newegg.com for cases. Unless you're gonna have a ton of components or an incredibly powerful videocard, a standard case with a 350w POWMAX or RAIDMAX PSU will do fine. NewEgg has cases with lots of bays and a 400w PSU for $20.00. Not bad if ya ask me! -Lasereth __________________ "A Darwinian attacks his theory, seeking to find flaws. An ID believer defends his theory, seeking to conceal flaws." -Roger Ebert