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Mephisto2 · 12-17-2003, 11:38 PM

So I was recently converted to Opera. I liked it so much I paid for it.

However, I have just today moved over to a new computer; an IBM T41P. This is a nice, top of the range, laptop.

I usually get a new one every six months or so, but this time Opera is having LOTS of problems. It is consistently crashing with "run time errors" on sites that work perfectly well on my "old" T40. I'm not sure what is causing this, but it's driving me nuts.

So...

Does anyone have any recommendations for alternative browsers? I'm not really a fan of IE and I like a lot of the features in Opera. But not if it's as stable as a drunk one-legged kangaroo on a raft during a tornado...

Mr Mephisto

PS - Please don't recommend Netscape. It's crap.

SecretMethod70 · 12-18-2003, 12:36 AM

Mozilla or Firebird. Either one is good, and I prefer both over Opera (and I used to be a religious Opera user).

Only thing that Opera has that Mozilla and/or Firebird doesn't that I can think of is mouse gestures. But, there is an addon that you can use to get mouse gestures located somewhere at www.mozdev.org

ducati999 · 12-18-2003, 01:28 AM

you could use Avant browswer http://www.avantbrowser.com/

Its ie but with a whole bunch of improvements....

flamingpeach · 12-18-2003, 01:54 AM

mozilla firebird

it's the best browser i've ever tried, infact, i'm an opera convert.

http://www.mozilla.org/products/firebird/

Mephisto2 · 12-18-2003, 03:18 AM

So is Firebird any good?

It's a Mozilla knock-off, right?

Mr Mephisto

flamingpeach · 12-18-2003, 03:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mr Mephisto
So is Firebird any good?

It's a Mozilla knock-off, right?

Mr Mephisto

the proper terminology would be "mozilla upgrade"

this is from the FAQ on thier site:

Quote:

What's the difference between Mozilla Firebird and Mozilla?

Mozilla (Application Suite) is a complete suite of web related applications, such as a browser, a mail/news client, a chat client and much more. Mozilla Firebird is just a browser, which makes it a better choice if you already have a mail client for example. Also, since Mozilla Firebird is smaller than the whole Mozilla suite, it's faster and easier to use.

Note, though, that Mozilla Firebird is not just the standalone Mozilla browser. The user interface in Mozilla Firebird differs from Mozilla in many ways. For example, Mozilla Firebird has customizable toolbars.

And here's an excellent rundown of why you should try mozilla firebird

Give it a try, I promise you'll enjoy it.

darkure · 12-18-2003, 04:42 AM

are the sites that cause Opera to crash using flash or java plug-ings? Are you using the same version now as before? The latest is 7.23 but you may have had an older version that was more stable on those particular sites.

gal · 12-18-2003, 05:56 AM

I'm another Opera-Firebird convert. Mainly because Opera kept crashing on sites with lots of java. The only thing I'm missing is the panel feature. I used to have slahsdot and fark there.

Holo · 12-18-2003, 06:31 AM

I still like IE for forums since Firebird doesn't render forum text boxes a decent size. IE is fine as long as you run it thru something like the Proxomitron and immunize yourself with Spybot. For porn and other sites however I run Firebird as it has too many cool options IE doesn't have, such as tabbed browsing and bookmarking of a group of tabs. I don't like Avant at all...too many buttons and it feels cheap to me for some reason. I made a guide for Mozilla porn gathering that I will repost here if it's wanted or I can PM it to anyone who asks.

sailor · 12-18-2003, 02:10 PM

I also switched from Opera to Firebird.

I wont try to explain it too much--flamingpeach seems to have done a better job than I would. Suffice it to say that it kicks ass.

Mephisto2 · 12-18-2003, 02:11 PM

So I downloaded and started using Firebird.

Haven't really made up my mind yet, but it's certainly not as polished as Opera. But then again, it's only at Rev 0.7....

Mr Mephisto

12-17-2003, 11:38 PM	#1 (permalink)
Mephisto2 Junkie	Browser So I was recently converted to Opera. I liked it so much I paid for it. However, I have just today moved over to a new computer; an IBM T41P. This is a nice, top of the range, laptop. I usually get a new one every six months or so, but this time Opera is having LOTS of problems. It is consistently crashing with "run time errors" on sites that work perfectly well on my "old" T40. I'm not sure what is causing this, but it's driving me nuts. So... Does anyone have any recommendations for alternative browsers? I'm not really a fan of IE and I like a lot of the features in Opera. But not if it's as stable as a drunk one-legged kangaroo on a raft during a tornado... Mr Mephisto PS - Please don't recommend Netscape. It's crap.

12-18-2003, 12:36 AM	#2 (permalink)
SecretMethod70 Human Administrator Location: Chicago	Mozilla or Firebird. Either one is good, and I prefer both over Opera (and I used to be a religious Opera user). Only thing that Opera has that Mozilla and/or Firebird doesn't that I can think of is mouse gestures. But, there is an addon that you can use to get mouse gestures located somewhere at www.mozdev.org __________________ Le temps détruit tout "Musicians are the carriers and communicators of spirit in the most immediate sense." - Kurt Elling

12-18-2003, 01:28 AM	#3 (permalink)
ducati999 Crazy Location: USA	you could use Avant browswer http://www.avantbrowser.com/ Its ie but with a whole bunch of improvements.... __________________ Twist of the wrist

12-18-2003, 01:54 AM	#4 (permalink)
flamingpeach hip mama Location: redmond, washington	mozilla firebird it's the best browser i've ever tried, infact, i'm an opera convert. http://www.mozilla.org/products/firebird/ __________________ I've eaten my veggies all my life so bring it on, I am educated and strong for the revolution.

12-18-2003, 04:42 AM	#7 (permalink)
darkure Addict Location: Dodging the ice pick	are the sites that cause Opera to crash using flash or java plug-ings? Are you using the same version now as before? The latest is 7.23 but you may have had an older version that was more stable on those particular sites. __________________ COYW

12-18-2003, 03:18 AM	#5 (permalink)
Mephisto2 Junkie	So is Firebird any good? It's a Mozilla knock-off, right? Mr Mephisto

12-18-2003, 05:56 AM	#8 (permalink)
gal Insane	I'm another Opera-Firebird convert. Mainly because Opera kept crashing on sites with lots of java. The only thing I'm missing is the panel feature. I used to have slahsdot and fark there.

12-18-2003, 06:31 AM	#9 (permalink)
Holo A Real American	I still like IE for forums since Firebird doesn't render forum text boxes a decent size. IE is fine as long as you run it thru something like the Proxomitron and immunize yourself with Spybot. For porn and other sites however I run Firebird as it has too many cool options IE doesn't have, such as tabbed browsing and bookmarking of a group of tabs. I don't like Avant at all...too many buttons and it feels cheap to me for some reason. I made a guide for Mozilla porn gathering that I will repost here if it's wanted or I can PM it to anyone who asks. __________________ I happen to like the words "fuck", "cock", "pussy", "tits", "cunt", "twat", "shit" and even "bitch". As long as I am not using them to describe you, don't go telling me whether or not I can/should use them...that is, if you want me to continue refraining from using them to describe you. ~Prince

12-18-2003, 02:10 PM	#10 (permalink)
sailor beauty in the breakdown Location: Chapel Hill, NC	I also switched from Opera to Firebird. I wont try to explain it too much--flamingpeach seems to have done a better job than I would. Suffice it to say that it kicks ass. __________________ "Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws." --Plato

12-18-2003, 02:11 PM	#11 (permalink)
Mephisto2 Junkie	So I downloaded and started using Firebird. Haven't really made up my mind yet, but it's certainly not as polished as Opera. But then again, it's only at Rev 0.7.... Mr Mephisto