Dilbert1234567

man this card is sweet

SAPPHIRE RADEON 9800 PRO ULTIMATE 256MB DVI/TV 8X AGP




it has a second heat sink on the other side, (connected by heat pipe)

i got a 5536 in 3dmark 03
and a 14343 in 3dmark 01

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glophead

it looks like a waffle

I could just eat it.

JBX

Whew.

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Mr.Deflok

That's one big motherfucker.

SonicRL

That looks very Nice O.O;;

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Looks like it would take up a couple of slots.... where would I put my 2400baud modem?

propaganda

I actually shuddered the first time I saw that.

Dilbert1234567

it acualy does not take up more then 1 slot, it barly fits it is 1mm away from my CPU heat sink and 2mm from my NIC (pci1)

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I got rid of the same card because it locked up running the TV using s-video. Tried the same 9800 only genuine ATI and 128, yeah, catalyst locked up again.

Went with the FX5900 Ultra, and, taa daa, It Doesn't Lock Up Using The TV!

Runs 5621 3Dmark, but, who cares. It Doesn't Lock Up!!

I still run a 9800 Pro AIW on my desktop and it is great. Running games in the living room on the machine built for just stuff requires an NVidja.

Destrox

odd, the 9800 is alot newer of a card and only gets 1000 more points in 3dmark2k1

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I might have appeared to not like the 9800Pro. As I said, I still use one on my desktop. The card was fine on a monitor. Very nice as a matter of fact. The ATI catalyst software caused a BSOD (ati2dvag.dll) whenever connected to the SONY <a href="http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=5wu89qpG0qq82pXnVRq2_eVI2gbTPozIEYA=?ProductID=nzEKC0%2eN5qIAAAD4TvefVWqi">TV</a>.
The FX5900 256 Ultra did/does the job with no problems. Each product has its own quality. Besides the NVidja doesn't take up two slots.

Lasereth

The 5900 does take up two PCI slots, unfortunately. It's massive.

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poof

It fits nicely on my SOYO, using both fans yet, you are right. It blocks the second slot. My apologies. I will post some pics of all three cards in the same box. If someone can host them for me I will pass them along.

bennyb

I Hope you've got a fan on that, and you are overclocking the SHIT out of it... pardon my french.

BoCo

Here are pics of poof's set-up:

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poof

BoCo, Thanks. That is a great thing to help out that way. Thanks again my friend.

BoCo

No problem, poof. BTW, I went ahead and resized them so they'd load faster.

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wow, it's very intimidating for a peice of pc hardware. must be kick ass graphics though.

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Dilbert1234567

um check your decimal places, thats 11,000 higher not 1,000


and yes it does kick ass, it runs game great as well as the 256 mgs of ram lets me keep multiple active virtual desktops.

and it only takes up the AGP slot, it barly fits in there but it does not take up more then that.

if you dont belive me ill take some pictures.

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Those new cards like the 9800 and 5900 only benefit the most in 3d Mark 2003. We put the 5900 Ultra in my brother's PC, and it increased his score by 2,000 points in 3d Mark 2001 from 9,500 to 11,500. His old video card was a GeForce 4 TI4200.

It increased it by about 2,000 points in 3d Mark 2003, as well. It really depends which PC you put the card in. The PC I bought this past summer (before I RMA'ed it back) got 16,000 on 3d Mark 2001 and 5,900 on 3d Mark 2003. If you have a regular computer, the next-gen cards don't increase the performance that much. You need a CPU and RAM upgrade as well if you want your PC to increase in points that much.

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Lasereth

The 5900 is a damn big card, as well. I took pictures of mine compared to my old GeForce 4 TI4200 before I sent it back to NewEgg.





The FX 5900 Ultra is long as hell, too. Much longer than the 9800. It extends all the way to the hard drives in my brother's computer:



Does it take up two PCI slots? You betcha! Ha ha:



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arch13

Sorry guys, It's just not worth it for those of us in the graphics business. The actual time increase on a 18"x24" real size render in autoCad or 3dMax for the 5900 vs my ATI 7600 with 64mb ddr is uselessly small. Thats because in the graphics business i still need my cpu to crunch the vector data before it can render, making my cpu and ddr memory busses of crucial importance. Were at most talking 15-20sec saved which is not worth such a price difference.
So truly the only people these are being made for is the small population of gamers and those that love the bleeding edge

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poof

What Arch said. I have a few 'puters with different processors, same OS (for reliability and standardisation), different ram, same drives, same mboard, same network,.
It's all good (cliche).
Bottom line, fast processors, speedy ram, nifty vid cards, throaty carbs, computer controlled throttle body or multi port injection, torque on idle, diesel power.
It is all good.

Have fun! As much fun as you can afford, and, never slight the guy coming up behind you, you might be looking at his ass.

Sunrise

Way too fat for my liking
my 9700 np takes up 1 slot.. but i have the 2 slots beneath it free so it has "breathing" room

ack32

The ability to run a silent (well, quiet at least) computer has some benefit as well. You also might want to look into the Zalman Video Card Heatpipe Heatsinks (also at NewEgg) which can silence any video card that's not TOO hot. Buy one of those and a regular cheapie 9800 and you're all set. And then you can re-use the heatsink when you upgrade to the next latest, greatest thing....

Vanquish

Most of the 5900Ultras take up 2 slots but some do not, so both of you are correct. Just wanted to clarify

scoobydugan

Even if you get a 5900 thats only 1 slot DO NOT PUT ANYTHING NEAR IT!!!! We tested it at Best Buy.....It killed a 56k modem a slot away

Lasereth

The 5900's take up the AGP slot alone, while the 5900 Ultra's take up the AGP slot as well as one PCI slot.

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hy_

haha beast 5900 eh? :P

but still 9800 > 5900

Lasereth

The 5900 Ultra > 9800 Pro in an equal amount of tests. One card is great for AA and high resolutions, and the other is better for casual gaming. It bothers me when people say that one card is simply better than the other. It also depend which system you're using it in. Both cards are great; there isn't enough difference in power to notice anything.

Now, if you take the 9800 XT and 5950 Ultra into consideration, that's a different story. There seem to be some who say the 9800 XT is slaughtering the 5950 while others are saying the exact opposite. Only time will tell which is better (if either of them). The main conclusion drawn so far with both new cards is: too expensive for such a small increase in power. Hell, you can get a GeForce FX 5900 Ultra 256 MB for $330 on NEWEGG now. What a deal. I might pick one up later this year.

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poof

My only problem with the 9800 (I still run an AIW on my desktop) is the software that kept failing under certain circumstances. See my posts above.

As far as AA, shading, filtering, la de da, they both perform well on my machines in their respective roles.

FPS be damned. Too many variables involved. Either one does a great job, and I am glad there are choices available out there.

Dilbert1234567

um the accual render time is based off the CPU, not the GPU, the GPU come into play when you render on the fly, ie the preview window, a beefy card healps when you are veiwing complex senes such as 100,000 poly's or more and extensive textures.

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that's a bigass heatsink, lol

arch13

That's what i said Dilbert. Cpu is far more important than Gpu for the graphics business. Lets be honest, no one ever renders on the fly all day long. It's done one or twice in a day for checking before the full renders are started and no one cares if it take 2 or 3 minutes since that's small comapared to the full render time.
Nope, i contend that no one actually buys these high end cards except people who love to be on the bleeding edge.

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losthellhound

That thing must blast a mother-load of heat

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Lasereth

Well, of course you're right. Seriously...why do you think anyone has made a videocard past 32 MB? A 32 MB videocard can play movies fullscreened and run any OS with no problems at all. The only reason faster, bigger, and more powerful video cards have been released is due to technology and the will to make money. The only people who need to buy these cards are gamers, and there are a ton of gamers out there. That, and those people that want to have the absolute best at all times, like you said.

If there were no gamers out there, then there wouldn't be a reason to release new videocards. But there are, and millions of them. If there's a market in the world that has millions of customers, then someone will dive into it, just as NVIDIA and ATI have.

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R_one

Ditto. Without us demanding and buying user-end components the manufacturers would never release them to the general public. The fact that we (gamers) have systems on par and exceeding high-end graphic designer computers are a testiment to supply and demand - we demand it; they supply it. Ever heard of the term "race on Sunday; sell on Monday"?

Dilbert1234567

now dont get me wrong the new card helps a lot with 3dsmax it lets me have more things on the screen to manipulate. but as for raw render power its all CPU

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<i>Originally posted by arch13
Nope, i contend that no one actually buys these high end cards except people who love to be on the bleeding edge. </i>

Many of us do buy new stuff and have nice things. Your contention sounds like sour grapes you are enjoying as w(h)ine.

arch13

Nope, no sour grapes. Just impressed with the businessman that saw that niche market to sell to.
I'll drink a glass of w(h)ine in his honor even.

What scares me more is the average american debt load from always wanting the newest thing.
My budget as a designer is a very respectable number on par with industry. It's always in my best interests to be current on my systems but i try to be focused on what gets the job done best. In this case the higher end cards produce very little benifit for designers, as Dilbert pointed out the benifit of them can be summed up as more screen space to work in. That's why i'm amused when these companies advertise with mentions of improved design performance and faster render abilities when most designers are have their eye on the prize of a cleaner large scale render, not a faster one.
Cheers to you if your budget is at a place that you can buy what you enjoy.
Just don't go doing it on credit and join the american debt load problem...

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