04-14-2009, 08:33 PM | #1 (permalink) | |
Young Crumudgeon
Location: Canada
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[Canada] Bell Throttling/Usage Caps - Is It Ethical?
So I got an email from my ISP today:
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As may already be apparent, I have major issues with this. Bell's internet pricing is practically price gouging to begin with, and now that the CRTC has told them to share their toys, they've decided that rather than actually compete in a fair market, they'll simply hamstring the competition until nobody's able to offer superior service to theirs. I understand that the network itself belongs to Bell, but even so I think this is poor sportsmanship at best, and at worst may even be monopolistic. This discussion is pertinent to Canadians, but isn't meant to be exclusive. For reference: My ISP Bell Canada Note that even though Bell's standard DSL service is available at speeds up to 7mbps, Teksavvy is only able to offer up to 5mbps. This is in direct contradiction to the CRTC ruling referenced above. Max internet is based on a fibre optic network and isn't relevant to the discussion.
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04-15-2009, 12:12 AM | #2 (permalink) |
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I don't understand the pricing schemes and throttles that seem to pervade North America. I live in a fairly small town in Southern Japan nowhere near the population centers like Tokyo and Osaka. About three months ago I got fiber-optic internet to my apartment, with no installation fee. Right now my wireless net is connected at 144mbps. Yes, you read that right. The lowest speed I've had is 117mbps. The entire package of net, isp, and phone runs me about $50 a month. That's cheaper than my DSL was, and cheaper than dial-up. I love it that better technology gets cheaper here! Did I mention they gave me the modem and router?
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04-15-2009, 06:16 AM | #3 (permalink) |
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My city just voted to allow for a fiber optic network to be built and operated as a local public utility. Pending final financing and the green light from the city council, we'll have fiber to every business within a year, and home within 2-3 years. Yeah!
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04-15-2009, 12:15 PM | #4 (permalink) |
Knight of the Old Republic
Location: Winston-Salem, NC
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As soon as Time Warner puts Internet usage caps in place here, we are switching to DSL.
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04-15-2009, 03:11 PM | #5 (permalink) |
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Location: Back in Ohio
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At some point, I will be done downloading large files off the internet. I am very close to this point actually. I would be happy with 100 MB/day internet if it was free.
Now, what they should be worried about is people using the internet to download cable TV shows instead of paying for cable. It is in direct competition to their original business model. Then again, I don't have cable and have more TV shows saved then I can watch. But I get mine from recording over-the-air shows on my Mythbuntu computer. |
04-15-2009, 06:06 PM | #7 (permalink) |
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Location: Sydney, Australia
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Welcome to Australia. Most of the DSL backbone is supplied by Telstra (once government owned), and there have been huge fights and regulation to force them to provide the last mile access to retail ISPs (that compete directly with Telstra Bigpond).
The last thing done was to allow other ISPs rack space inside the telephone exchange to remove this last mile monopoly. Telstra forced people to have a telephone line (and pay phone line rental) to have a DSL service, but there are now a few ISPs providing 'naked' DSL, that doesn't need an actual physical phone connected to it (and doesn't have to pay line rental. Most of our internet plans have either a hard data limit, after which your speed is severely throttled OR you pay hefty data charges (my current plan has 20Gb included, and if I go over I pay 15c a Mb). This plan also includes all my phone calls within Oz for a fixed amount so for me isn't bad value. I'm rarely using all my allocated data so the limit doesn't really worry me. Forgot to say - our federal government has just announced a $43Billion plan to lay fibre to 90% of the population. 100M minimum speed. It is going to take 8 years, but at least it is in the pipeline.
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04-15-2009, 07:39 PM | #8 (permalink) |
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Location: Canada
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On the subject, this popped up in my newsfeed today:
Bell defends plan to meter billing for wholesale ISPs CBC News click to show To contrast this, I dug up an old Ars Technica article analyzing the data that Bell provided when ordered to do so by the CRTC: Bell's P2P traffic issues "easily and inexpensively solved" Ars Technica click to show DSLAM stands for DSL Access Multiplexer. It's a lot like a big router that aggregates all of the connections in one or several neighbourhoods (depending on the number of subscribers in a given area) and sends them upstream. The TL;DR version again: Bell is claiming that throttling is necessary due to congestion issues. But Bell's own numbers provided last year indicate that there's very little congestion, and what is there is almost entirely at the DSLAM. Furthermore, Bell's analysis of their own network suggests that they're using outdated links out the back of the DSLAMs, which is a relatively inexpensive thing to fix. Upgrading to GigE links at all the DSLAMs will provide roughly double the capacity coming from the DSLAMs onto the primary network, where there's almost no congestion at all. So Bell's making stuff up to justify their anti-competitive practices. I'm not surprised by this; I just hope the CRTC doesn't buy into it. As an aside, Bell has been throttling P2P programs for over a year now. This provides serious problems to a variety users, many of whom are quite legitimate. A variety of Linux distros, for example, are moving to P2P distribution models to save the bandwidth costs associated with distributing updates and new versions. The throttling method employed by Bell also has the potential to interfere with other encrypted links, such as VPNs. The CRTC is set to address the throttling issue in June, but the whole thing is a band-aid at best anyway. The rising popularity of video streaming means that Bell will have to add capacity anyway if they're going to have any chance of meeting their customers' future needs. The whole thing would be enough to make me want to switch to my local cable provider, if I didn't already know they're just as bad.
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04-21-2009, 10:37 PM | #9 (permalink) |
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Comcast just offered up 50mps in an extended are of SF. Price? $130 a month! plus the cap. Plus the upload is only 10mps. I'm down at an average of 130mps, up at around 110mps, all for $50 a month and no cap. America needs to enter the 21st century.
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