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Halx 09-01-2008 08:01 PM

Google Chrome - New Web Browser
 
As it is, I'm pretty stocked when it comes to the browsers, but I'm looking forward to the new Google browser. After reading their comic that explains whats new about the browser, I am anxious to see what its like.

Read the comic here... might be too busy to browse at times: Google on Google Chrome - comic book

A few highlights:
Independent, isolated and quarantined processes make it so that browser tabs 1) use their own resources 2) can be attached to any window without interrupting the state 3) cannot interact with the hard drive or the OS 4) can crash without affecting any other tab.

Plugins (most notably flash) use their own processes, so if they crash, the rest of the page continues to function.

A JavaScript VM designed to speed up JS for modern web applications.

It launches tomorrow, so I'll check it out.

Who is with me?

Check out the official google blog post: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2008/...n-browser.html

filtherton 09-01-2008 08:07 PM

Sounds pretty sweet. I might have to check it out. Does it include ads?

telekinetic 09-01-2008 08:13 PM

I'll try it. Probably won't give up Opera though. It's based on webkit, I wonder if they'll bundle/brand the Android browser as Chrome? Hmmm

Plaid13 09-02-2008 05:27 AM

Im pretty much hooked on firefox thanks to adblock plus and its subscriptions but i might give it a try just for the hell of it.

ShaniFaye 09-02-2008 05:55 AM

I plan on trying it out, I really like the "self contained" crashes idea. Its going to have to go a long way to get me to stop using FF though

ratbastid 09-02-2008 06:40 AM

I like the idea of isolated processes for tabs and plugins. Sounds resource-intensive, though. Although how it could be much more of a hog than my browser of choice, Firefox, is hard to imagine.

UKking 09-02-2008 06:49 AM

Yeah, I read about that last night.

I might have a gander, just for shits and giggles.

MontanaXVI 09-02-2008 07:37 AM

I'll give it a whirl, but I doubt I will drop FF for it though.

Elegia 09-02-2008 08:46 AM

If it's anything like they say it is, I'll probably end up using it. It sounds like it's really solid.

telekinetic 09-02-2008 08:50 AM

So uh...other than that quickly deleted download page that they also removed the cache of this morning, anyone get into the Beta or find out how/where to download this?

shakran 09-02-2008 09:20 AM

I'll be checking it out too. I'd ordinarily say I doubt they'll beat Firefox, but. . .this is Google. They have a reputation for releasing damned good, very polished first-run products.

Redlemon 09-02-2008 09:27 AM

I think I read that it is only a Windows release at this time, and since I'm on Mac, I won't check it out. Also, as Shani said, it would take a lot of work to take me away from Firefox, I rely on many of the subtle tweaks that are available in Firefox.

cj2112 09-02-2008 09:29 AM

Google is holding a press conference @ 11:00 a.m.(PDT). I'd expect that this will be the official launch.

ShaniFaye 09-02-2008 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by twistedmosaic (Post 2516972)
So uh...other than that quickly deleted download page that they also removed the cache of this morning, anyone get into the Beta or find out how/where to download this?

the beta page says its 14 hours and 31 minutes (as of right now) until the d/l is available

Download Google Chrome
-----Added 2/9/2008 at 01 : 31 : 00-----
oops, upon refresh, its changed to tomorrow (1 day)

telekinetic 09-02-2008 09:35 AM

That's the only place I saw too, but freechromethemes.com doesn't seem like a very official url, and that doesn't seem like a very official page...why would google have adsense at the bottom of their new product release page?

Is there a press release or something somewhere stating it will be tomorrow? Everything I saw said "Tuesday"

edit: haha, little opportunist...good job with his SEO, I suppose...beating google at their own game can't be easy!

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Xazy 09-02-2008 10:02 AM

I as well will probably give it a whirl, but I love firefox, I doubt I will switch over fully to it, but who knows.

Ayashe 09-02-2008 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ratbastid (Post 2516889)
I like the idea of isolated processes for tabs and plugins. Sounds resource-intensive, though. Although how it could be much more of a hog than my browser of choice, Firefox, is hard to imagine.

Firefox can definitely be a resource hog, though if you make a few adjustments you can whittle that down considerably. I would also recommend Firefox 3.0 if you haven't downloaded it. If you haven't looked into Firefox tweaks at all here is a good link for you to try Optimizing Firefox 3 Hacks And Tweaks. I promise that they are very simple and easy to use(if I could do it.. yada yada) by simply opening your browser with about:config.

I am still interested in trying the Google browser, don't get me wrong.

jewels 09-02-2008 10:33 AM

It's starting to look like a fantastic marketing ploy, even if it does become available tomorrow ...

laconic1 09-02-2008 10:52 AM

I just downloaded it now and am typing this on Chrome. It will be interesting to try out.

jewels 09-02-2008 10:58 AM

Thanks for the heads up. Downloading now :)

Interesting thus far... will be playing.

PonyPotato 09-02-2008 11:27 AM

I really like Chrome so far.. of course, I've only visited a handful of sites so far.. but I like it.

Jove 09-02-2008 11:27 AM

This browser is easy to use and I like the simple interface.

What do you think of Chrome?

Halx 09-02-2008 11:49 AM

I'm using it now and I like it so far. Its funny how there are some TFP features that aren't available in FF that I can see here. Notably, the quick reply box resizing tool. I'm liking the speed and the lack of clutter. I am about to set off to navigate through google apps and lots of AJAX-intensive pages.

filtherton 09-02-2008 11:50 AM

I'm using it right now and it's not half bad.

laconic1 09-02-2008 11:55 AM

I like the Incognito mode. It always annoyed me that I would have to clear the entire history to eliminate certain websites from showing up in the address bar. This way is much more elegant.

Halx 09-02-2008 12:05 PM

I've already sent in bug reports for a couple websites that aren't displaying properly. Hope they find this information useful!

MSD 09-02-2008 01:17 PM

It's good enough in the first few hours that I'll probably make the switch when a mouse gestures plugin appears. I'll be playing with it over the next few days at work to see how it is with the websites I visit frequently.

Charlatan 09-02-2008 02:17 PM

They need a Mac version... and they need it now.

PonyPotato 09-02-2008 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charlatan (Post 2517223)
They need a Mac version... and they need it now.

+1

Manic_Skafe 09-02-2008 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halx (Post 2517122)
I'm using it now and I like it so far. Its funny how there are some TFP features that aren't available in FF that I can see here. Notably, the quick reply box resizing tool. I'm liking the speed and the lack of clutter.

Yeah I noticed that too. I've been playing with it all day and I'm impressed. It's just clean and smooth and with the ability to import all of my settings from firefox with a few clicks - it's certainly looking like a contender.

Though it scrolls a little too quickly when I use the scrollbar on my laptop touchpad.

Am I the only one noticing a significant increase in speed? Even the TFP is faster than Firefox.

ktspktsp 09-02-2008 02:43 PM

I'll be downloading it and checking it out at work tomorrow.. I'm a web programmer so it will count as work, ha :). Hopefully it will not interpret HTML/Javascript too differently from other browsers...

jewels 09-02-2008 02:44 PM

Yes, very simple and everything's faster. I like the historical view. Often times I need to go back to something I saw earlier in the day and it can be a job to locate. This makes it all easy, so far.

ratbastid 09-02-2008 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ktspktsp (Post 2517243)
I'll be downloading it and checking it out at work tomorrow.. I'm a web programmer so it will count as work, ha :). Hopefully it will not interpret HTML/Javascript too differently from other browsers...

It uses WebKit, so it should be fully standards compliant. Same engine as Safari.

ShaniFaye 09-02-2008 03:04 PM

Im having a really hard time getting used to the tabs being at the top of the page, I keep clicking on the bookmark bar thinking its my tabs lol

jorgelito 09-02-2008 03:09 PM

Not available for Mac

*grumble*

ktspktsp 09-02-2008 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ratbastid (Post 2517248)
It uses WebKit, so it should be fully standards compliant. Same engine as Safari.

Ok, cool.

Manic_Skafe 09-02-2008 03:35 PM

My biggest complaint so far: no integrated Gmail notifier.

duh.

Xazy 09-02-2008 04:12 PM

I need to figure it out more, wish I could access the bookmark as a pull down menu, and I wish I can configure it to get rid of some of the auto completes.

Ayashe 09-02-2008 05:21 PM

So far it seems very smooth. I have to admit that when I looked at the tasks in the task manager I was surprised at how it was shown several times, but it doesn't seem to be a burden either.

Church 09-02-2008 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xazy (Post 2517308)
I need to figure it out more, wish I could access the bookmark as a pull down menu, and I wish I can configure it to get rid of some of the auto completes.

I have a menu for bookmarks. Its on the right under the wrench.

Xazy 09-02-2008 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Church (Post 2517350)
I have a menu for bookmarks. Its on the right under the wrench.

I have that to, but I want to access it only via keyboard, like Alt B on firefox.

dogzilla 09-02-2008 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Church (Post 2517350)
I have a menu for bookmarks. Its on the right under the wrench.

If you click on the wrench icon, the top choice on the popup menu is an option to turn the bookmark bar on or off. Mine defaulted to off and I didn't have a bookmarks menu. There's also an options choice on the same menu but I don't see any auto-complete options.

paparora 09-02-2008 06:16 PM

Google Chrome
 
Google's Web Browser

I have been using it..cant say if it beats firefox (i mean its not an easy thing to do)..but you all should try it as well.

Google Chrome - Download a new browser

Baraka_Guru 09-02-2008 07:10 PM

I can't exactly explain why, but I have absolutely no desire to try this out. I like Google and all, but I just don't know.

Maybe it's because nothing in Firefox disappoints me, and I don't feel anything is missing.

If it becomes generally accepted that this new browser is tops, I might try it. Until then? I have not reason to use up the time.

Craven Morehead 09-02-2008 07:11 PM

Porn, porn, porn. Its always about the porn.

:D

Baraka_Guru 09-02-2008 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Craven Morehead (Post 2517423)
Porn, porn, porn. Its always about the porn.

Good point! It's amazing how much technological development is driven by the overabundance of pornography and wanton militarism.

Rekna 09-02-2008 09:32 PM

ahh no ad block!

shakran 09-02-2008 10:05 PM

tried it. It's fast! that's nice. But I'm not overly fond of its interface.

KnifeMissile 09-02-2008 11:57 PM

It's quickly winning me over...

I'm desperate for an alternative 'cause all browsers, including FireFox, leak memory like there's no tomorrow. I'm hoping Google Chrome will be different and I have good reason to believe that it will be.

I like its minimalist interface and its sheer speed is seductive...

ShaniFaye 09-03-2008 02:25 AM

Its going to have to have some add ons for me to want to use it at work, the only way I can get to TFP (at work) is to use the proxy add on because ever since the upgrade my work firewall blocks it for some reason lol AND for some strange reason it wont load gmail at work either

Halx 09-03-2008 04:11 AM

Benchmarks are in for the JavaScript engine... Chrome blows everyone away.

Speed test: Google Chrome beats Firefox, IE, Safari | Business Tech - CNET News

Baraka_Guru 09-03-2008 05:30 AM

In the grand scheme of things, this speed difference is of little consequence to me. I'm going to wait to see what people are saying about the whole package.

Halx 09-03-2008 06:14 AM

Well, when you consider that many of today's best websites use a heavy amount of JavaScript, you might reconsider. If you've ever used Digg, Google Docs, Gmail, Facebook, or any page that allows a high amount of element interaction (drag/drop, new content without refreshing, etc) you'll probably appreciate the speed.

MSD 09-03-2008 06:32 AM

Everything is faster. I'm using it for almost everything at work, but I still want my mouse gestures.

Baraka_Guru 09-03-2008 07:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halx (Post 2517619)
Well, when you consider that many of today's best websites use a heavy amount of JavaScript, you might reconsider. If you've ever used Digg, Google Docs, Gmail, Facebook, or any page that allows a high amount of element interaction (drag/drop, new content without refreshing, etc) you'll probably appreciate the speed.

I don't really use a lot of that. Not yet, at least. I'm sure with the changing face of the Internet, I will see more of this on websites in general. Maybe then I'll switch to Chrome. (Although I might try it out soon, just out of curiosity, but there's no OS X option yet.) But, who knows, maybe the competition will force Firefox et al to rethink their handling of JavaScript.

Ideally, if Chrome does everything else as good as or better than Firefox, I'll reconsider.

Redlemon 09-03-2008 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru (Post 2517662)
But, who knows, maybe the competition will force Firefox et al to rethink their handling of JavaScript.

Firefox 3.1 is going to use a new JS as well, called TraceMonkey. They think it is generally faster than the V8 used in Chrome; see Brendan's Roadmap Updates: TraceMonkey Update for their analysis.

Also, while it is present in the current nightlies, it isn't on by default yet. There's an about:config preference to do so: set javascript.options.jit.chrome to true.

Baraka_Guru 09-03-2008 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redlemon (Post 2517769)
Firefox 3.1 is going to use a new JS as well, called TraceMonkey. They think it is generally faster than the V8 used in Chrome

Wo0t!

telekinetic 09-03-2008 11:12 AM

DO NOT WANT RIDICULOUS EULA

Quote:

11.1 You retain copyright and any other rights that you already hold in Content that you submit, post or display on or through the Services. By submitting, posting or displaying the content, you give Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free and non-exclusive licence to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any Content that you submit, post or display on or through the Services. This licence is for the sole purpose of enabling Google to display, distribute and promote the Services and may be revoked for certain Services as defined in the Additional Terms of those Services.
(emphasis mine)

Use Chrome to look at your flickr? Those images belong to Google now.
Make a blog post? Belongs to google
Upload an mp3? Google's now.

What's that? They can't have the copyright rights because you don't own the content, by, say, looking at someone ELSE'S flikr? Well...you just better not do that, as they've got they're ass covered...
Quote:

11.4 You confirm and warrant to Google that you have all the rights, power and authority necessary to grant the above licence.

ShaniFaye 09-03-2008 12:21 PM

Is license actually spelled the way it is in your post in their legal terms?

telekinetic 09-03-2008 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShaniFaye (Post 2517846)
Is license actually spelled the way it is in your post in their legal terms?

Everything in quotes is copied directly from the Chrome EULA that all of you who have it agreed to when you clicked 'accept and install'

If you've forgotten, click here and scroll down:

Google Chrome for Windows - Terms and Conditions Agreement


11.2 and 11.3 aren't exactly benign either, they just pale in comparison to 1 and 4:

Quote:

11. Content license from you

11.1 You retain copyright and any other rights you already hold in Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services. By submitting, posting or displaying the content you give Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services. This license is for the sole purpose of enabling Google to display, distribute and promote the Services and may be revoked for certain Services as defined in the Additional Terms of those Services.

11.2 You agree that this license includes a right for Google to make such Content available to other companies, organizations or individuals with whom Google has relationships for the provision of syndicated services, and to use such Content in connection with the provision of those services.

11.3 You understand that Google, in performing the required technical steps to provide the Services to our users, may (a) transmit or distribute your Content over various public networks and in various media; and (b) make such changes to your Content as are necessary to conform and adapt that Content to the technical requirements of connecting networks, devices, services or media. You agree that this license shall permit Google to take these actions.

11.4 You confirm and warrant to Google that you have all the rights, power and authority necessary to grant the above license.
edit: Oh ok, I misunderstood your question. Yes, it was that way when I copied it out the first time...it looks like they've fixed it now. Well, fixed the spelling anyways, which means someone is aware of it...but really, that was the part that bothered you? That you agree that google can distribute your banking information and sell your photos doesn't bother you as much as an incorrect letter?

ShaniFaye 09-03-2008 12:31 PM

um ok then why is it spelled right in what you just quoted, but is wrong in the first post (not that it matters I just wondered how it got misspelled so many times lol)

telekinetic 09-03-2008 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShaniFaye (Post 2517852)
um ok then why is it spelled right in what you just quoted, but is wrong in the first post (not that it matters I just wondered how it got misspelled so many times lol)

copied once when i made the post...copied again to get the whole section when i thought you were asking a different question.

jewels 09-03-2008 12:35 PM

This is most likely standard legalese. If this were meant to be the case, they wouldn't be in business much longer.

After all the press about it in the past couple of days, it surely will be reworded. I can't see how that could possibly hold up in a Court of law, or how Google would expect to continue growth.

EDIT: Here ya go:

Quote:

Google on Chrome EULA controversy: our bad, we'll change it
By Nate Anderson | Published: September 03, 2008 - 02:56PM CT

Google's new web browser Chrome is fast, shiny, and requires users to sign their very lives over to Google before they can use it. Today's Internet outrage du jour has been Chrome's EULA, which appears to give Google a nonexclusive right to display and distribute every bit of content transmitted through the browser. Now, Google tells Ars that it's a mistake, the EULA will be corrected, and the correction will be retroactive.

Court says "no" to changing terms of service without notification
UK consumer group seeks crackdown on unfair EULAs
Autodesk sued for $10 million after invoking DMCA to stop eBay resales
As noted by an attorney at Tap the Hive and various and sundry other sites, the Chrome EULA reads like a lot of Google's other EULAs. It requires users to "give Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and nonexclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services."

"Services" seems like an odd way to describe a web browser, but the EULA makes clear that "Services" refers to "Google’s products, software, services and web sites." The EULA's indication that Google could republish anything even "displayed" in the browser sounded a tiny bit evil, even if Google might just be looking to stave off lawsuits.


Google has been in EULA trouble before over services like Google Docs. In that case, the company changed the terms of service to clarify that, in the words of a spokesperson, "Your fantasy football spreadsheets are not going to end up shared with the world unless you want them to be."

Here at Ars, our first thought on reading the EULA was that it looks a whole lot like the EULAs Google uses for other services, with the "content license" provision being an obvious example of this. In fact, that's basically what it was.

Google's Rebecca Ward, Senior Product Counsel for Google Chrome, now tells Ars Technica that the company tries to reuse these licenses as much as possible, "in order to keep things simple for our users." Ward admits that sometimes "this means that the legal terms for a specific product may include terms that don't apply well to the use of that product" and says that Google is "working quickly to remove language from Section 11 of the current Google Chrome terms of service. This change will apply retroactively to all users who have downloaded Google Chrome."

So, there you have it: a tempest in a (chrome) teapot. Not that it's the only one; as Ina Fried of News.com points out, Chrome's "Omnibar" can also access all keystrokes a user types, and Google will store some of this information along with IP addresses.

inBOIL 09-03-2008 12:39 PM

So how long before the RIAA sues Google for claiming rights to downloaded music?

telekinetic 09-03-2008 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jewels (Post 2517855)
This is most likely standard legalese. If this were meant to be the case, they wouldn't be in business much longer.


It most definitely isn't...well, it is standard for google (the reason I don't use orkut), but I agree that they will probably reword it, as "chrome EULA" has 35000 google (hmm i sense a problem) hits currently, I think it will probably be resolved soon. Similar cases with myspace and a few others have been changed.

Me? I will wait.

Gizmodo's take:

http://gizmodo.com/5044871/google-ch...osts-to-emails

Baraka_Guru 09-03-2008 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by twistedmosaic (Post 2517813)
[size=6]Use Chrome to look at your flickr? Those images belong to Google now.
Make a blog post? Belongs to google
Upload an mp3? Google's now.

What's that? They can't have the copyright rights because you don't own the content, by, say, looking at someone ELSE'S flikr? Well...you just better not do that, as they've got they're ass covered...

Whatever.

Google is probably the world's biggest violator of copyright laws.

National and international copyright laws should supersede anything Google sneaks into their terms. Of course, much of this is still foggy in this digital age.

And, by the way, the "Content" doesn't belong to Google; they're merely licensed to use it as the terms outline (i.e., make money off of it).

KnifeMissile 09-03-2008 01:07 PM

This article might be of interest...
Quote:

Google backtracks on Chrome license terms

Google said on Wednesday that it plans to alter contract terms that gave the search provider broad rights to use anything entered into its new Chrome browser.

"In order to keep things simple for our users, we try to use the same set of legal terms (our Universal Terms of Service) for many of our products," Google said in a statement provided to CNET News. "Sometimes, as in the case of Google Chrome, this means that the legal terms for a specific product may include terms that don't apply well to the use of that product. We are working quickly to remove language from Section 11 of the current Google Chrome terms of service."

As first noted by CNET News on Tuesday, Chrome's End User License agreement appeared to give Google a perpetual right to use anything one entered into the browser. Section 11 stated that although users retain copyright to their works, "by submitting, posting or displaying the content you give Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services."
Google said the change, once it is made, will apply retroactively to anyone who has downloaded the browser.

All this is separate from the issue of what information Google plans to store on its servers. Provided that users leave on the auto-suggest feature in Chrome and have Google as their default search provider, Google has the right to store any information typed into Chrome's Ominibox, which serves as both search bar and address bar. The software maker told CNET News it plans to store about 2 percent of all such data, along with the IP address of the computer that entered the information.

Halx 09-03-2008 02:06 PM

That EULA is scary, but now that they're rescinding it... how do you feel? I figure that there was no way the company could get away with that.

telekinetic 09-03-2008 02:43 PM

I feel relieved that they are backtracking it, but I also feel that people should read what they are accepting, and assume the company has had its lawyers look it over and can enforce it.

Halx 09-03-2008 04:06 PM

Google: Launch early and iterate.

Charlatan 09-03-2008 04:52 PM

Licence is spelled with two "cs" in the UK and Canada (and most of the English-speaking world). The "s" is American spelling.

Church 09-03-2008 06:20 PM

Is it just me or is there no "home" button? I've set my homepage, however I don't know how to actually go to it minus typing it in of course.

cj2112 09-03-2008 07:08 PM

In the options menu, there is a check box to show the home button on the tool bar.

Halx 09-04-2008 10:59 AM

Fun little piece.. if you go into the task manager, there is a button called "Stats for nerds" - gotta love it.

Hain 09-04-2008 12:02 PM

I am using it and I am getting a lot of strange errors. First off, every youtube page I visit, it tells me that the video is no longer available... Works fine in IE and Firefox. I have reinstalled Flash, both for IE and non-IE browsers twice.
I tried filling out a registration form online to buy some school books and every time I received an error that something was incorrect on the page with the list of incorrect items blank. Worked fine in IE.

It is interesting, and I bet as the beta progresses lots more features will come out. So far, I really don't like how it saves my history and doesn't clear my browser cache on exist.

Tophat665 09-04-2008 06:28 PM

I'll have a look at this around January, I think. That should be plenty of time to get an adblock, a bugmenot, and a keylogger defeat extension out there.

MontanaXVI 09-04-2008 08:39 PM

I am kinda enjoying it, the speed is visibly faster than FF, but who knows if that is due to Noscript, Adblock, and any other extensions I have installed.

Don't know if I will make an outright switch as I have NEVER had any issues with FF and it runs stable as a rock.

Vigilante 09-04-2008 09:33 PM

Same. I don't like the IE-like layout either. I'll wait for the regular extensions such as adblock etc that others have already mentioned.

healer 09-04-2008 09:45 PM

The first thing I noticed is that it pulls proxy settings straight out of IE, and doesn't let you have your own proxy just for Chrome. :/

laconic1 09-05-2008 12:36 AM

When I installed Windows it set my hard drive as disk H, and the card reader I have installed set up as drives C, D, E, and F, with my DVD drive as G. I don't know why it did it that way, but now ever since I installed Chrome I get a periodic googleupdate.exe message complaining about no disk in drive C. I can't make that pop-up go away until I stick a flash drive in drive C and click Continue or Retry. It's really starting to piss me off.

Baraka_Guru 09-05-2008 03:07 AM

From what I've read here and elsewhere, it sounds like they've a lot of work to do.

Vigilante 09-05-2008 09:06 AM

Well, it's beta. This is what beta is about :)

Laconic, you need to install windows with only one drive installed at the hardware level, otherwise it will never pick the one you want as C. That apparently includes the card reader, but I didn't see that as a problem until now.

Reese 09-05-2008 11:05 AM

Chrome's about:memory is saying it's using more memory than firefox with 6 tabs open(Pandora Radio, Wikipedia, Digg, TFP, Youtube, and google) Chrome is using about 7-9% more total memory than Firefox.

That's a fresh install and process of chrome versus Firefox that's been running all day long. Firefox also has a few plugins installed which should be taking up a bit of memory.

There's a few other things, I can't seem to get Chrome to clear my history when I exit the browser. I share a computer and I really value my privacy. They do have the clear history button handy, but I'm lazy and firefox already does this for me.

There's a few other things. I haven't seen a popup blocker but It's possible I just haven't seen any popups yet..

The few things I liked, It opens much faster than firefox. My firefox takes 10 seconds to open sometimes. I think I'm going to like the multi-process browser. I run pandora radio in the background while playing games. It'll really slow down the game after a while. Hopefully I'll just be able to kill the Pandora tab and reopen it to get a little performance back in my game. That's yet to be tested though. The larger viewable area is nice too.

Maybe there will be some good addons soon.

I wasn't even going to try this browser because Firefox has worked fine but decided I better try it for a few weeks because I don't wanna be the last kid on the block that doesn't have it :)


edit: another thing I just realized, I can't click my mouse wheel to get the auto scroll thing working.. and I can't center click my home button or back buttons to open them in a new tab.. minor inconveniences... oh.. and there's no built in spell check.. wtf.. I'm going back to firefox.


edit again: Just noticed you can open an incognito window where browsing history isn't tracked. That's pretty nice, now I can visit my private sites AND keep public crap pasted on the front page of the browser so i can easily access it later.

Wyodiver33 09-05-2008 12:17 PM

I've been using Chrome for a few days now and I like it a lot. I had no real problem with FF but I'll probably stick with Chrome.

mrklixx 09-05-2008 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wyodiver33 (Post 2519363)
I've been using Chrome for a few days now and I like it a lot. I had no real problem with FF but I'll probably stick with Chrome.

Might want to change your avatar then.

UKking 09-07-2008 11:29 AM

When I installed Chrome, I told it I didn't want the updater. Yet, there it is, running in the background every time I check Task Manager. I turned it off in msconfig to try and stop it coming up at Windows start up, and yet, there it is, running in the background. Again. Still.

Annoying me something terrible!

Xazy 09-08-2008 03:55 PM

Great article with information on Chrome.
Link
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Now that you've been enjoying Google Chrome's headliner features and speed for almost a week now, it's time to dig into the less obvious functionality and options you don't already know about. Become a keyboard shortcut master, take a peek under the hood, and customize its behavior and skin with some of the best shortcuts, bookmarklets, themes, add-ons, and subtle functionality in Google Chrome.

What, you don't like Google Chrome? Here, have the power user's guide to Firefox 3.
Mousing Around Chrome

Despite its marketing as a minimalistic browser that forgoes all the extras, Chrome's interface actually sports quite a few useful features. Here are a few that will speed up your browsing with the mouse even more:

* Click and hold (or right-click) the Back or Forward button to go directly to a page far behind or forward in your browsing history.
* When you've got a URL on your clipboard, right-click Chrome's address bar to Paste and go to your destination (and save yourself an extra tap on the Enter key).
* Click and drag any textarea corner to resize it to your liking; great for blog comments, web email, or forums with textareas that aren't big enough to accommodate your masterpiece.
* Ctrl+Mousewheel to zoom in or out of pages in Chrome.
* Drag and drop downloads out of Chrome's status bar and onto your desktop to save them there, or into any Explorer window to save them there. (You already know you can drag and drop a Chrome tab out into a new window, or back into an existing Chrome window to dock it there.)

Chrome's Keyboard Shortcuts

If you're not much for the mouse, you're in luck: Google Chrome has lots of built-in keyboard shortcuts, many of which mirror Firefox's—so you don't have to retrain your fingers. Here are a few of our favorites:

* (Chrome only) Ctrl+B toggles the bookmarks bar on and off.
* (Chrome only) Shift+Escape opens Google Chrome's Task Manager.
* Ctrl+L to move your cursor to the address bar.
* Ctrl+K moves your cursor to the address bar to enter a Google search.
* Ctrl+T opens a new tab.
* Ctrl+N opens a new window.
* Ctrl+Shift+T opens the last closed tab.
* (Chrome only) Ctrl+Shift+N opens a new window in "Incognito Mode."
* Ctrl+Tab cycles through open tabs; Ctrl+Shift+Tab reverse cycles through open tabs.
* Ctrl+J opens the Downloads tab.
* Ctrl+W closes the current tab.
* Ctrl+R refreshes the current page.
* Ctrl+H opens the History tab.
* Alt+Home loads your homepage.
* Ctrl+1 through 9 switches to a particular open tab position.
* Ctrl++, Ctrl+-, Ctrl+0 Enlarges, reduces, and restores default text sizes, respectively.

Tweak Your Options

Hit up Chrome's Options dialog (click on the wrench, and choose Options) to customize Chrome's behavior even more.

* Set multiple tab as your home page. While Chrome's default thumbnail page of your most visited sites is pretty cool, you might want to just skip that step and set the browser to open certain tabs every time. Like Firefox, Chrome can set several tabs as your homepage. In the Options' dialog Basics area, under "Open the following pages," enter the URLs.
* Open the last session's tabs automatically. Also like Firefox, Chrome can automatically restore the tabs from your last browser session. In that same Options area as above, just select "Restore the pages that were open last."
* Add the home button to your toolbar. Chrome's toolbar is pretty sparse by design, but once you've set your homepage(s), you might want to get to them in one click. In the Options dialog's Basics tab, you can also check off "Show Home button on the toolbar."
* Set your default Downloads save location. Also in Options—but under the "Minor Tweaks" tab—you can set Chrome's default download location to something other than the "My Documents" folder.

Master Chrome's Startup Switches

Like all good open source software, Chrome comes with a long list of "startup switches"—that is, parameters you can use when you launch the program to customize its behavior. While most of the switches are only useful to developers, a handful let power users do some handy stuff.

Quick primer: To use a startup switch, create a new Chrome shortcut on your desktop (or elsewhere). Right-click it and choose Properties. In the Target field, add the switch in question immediately following the path to chrome.exe. For example, your target using a -disable-java switch might look like:
"C:Documents and SettingsginaLocal SettingsApplication DataGoogleChromeApplicationchrome.exe" -disable-java

Here are some things you can do with Chrome's startup switches.

Tweak the number of suggestions the address bar offers. Increase or reduce the number of suggestions in the address bar drop-down using the -omnibox-popup-count switch. For example, to increase it to 10 suggestions, use -omnibox-popup-count=10. [via The How-To Geek]

Create and maintain multiple user profiles. Since Chrome learns so much from your usage patterns, you might want to create more than one user personality based on the task at hand. For example, you can set up a "work Chrome" and a "play Chrome" user profile (like you can with Firefox's user profiles). While Chrome doesn't offer a handy utility to create new profiles like Firefox does, all it takes is creating a new user directory, and then using Chrome's --user-data-dir startup switch to point it there. The Digital Inspiration blog runs down how to create and use multiple profiles in Chrome.

Speed up browsing by disabling functionality. When you want to surf Flash-free, Java-free, or even Javascript-free (even though that's not really the point of Chrome, but whatever), there's a list of -disable Chrome startup switches that can block plug-ins, content, or features you don't want, like:

-disable-dev-tools
-disable-hang-monitor
-disable-images
-disable-java
-disable-javascript
-disable-logging
-disable-metrics
-disable-metrics-reporting
-disable-plugins
-disable-popup-blocking
-disable-prompt-on-repost

Always start Chrome in a maximized window. Take advantage of all that screen real estate you've got with Chrome. Using the -start-maximized startup switch, the browser will fill your screen on launch, automatically.
Themes


Dress up Google Chrome to your liking by downloading a Chrome theme and saving its default.dll file into the application's Themes directory.

For Windows XP users, by default that folder is:
C:Documents and SettingsUserLocal SettingsApplication DataGoogleChromeApplication.2.149.29Themes

In Windows Vista it's:
C:UsersUserNameAppDataLocalGoogleChromeApplication.2.149.29Themes

(Note if Google Chrome updates, you may have to change the version number in this path.)
Reveal Chrome's Secret Diagnostic Info


While Chrome doesn't have Firefox's super-handy about:config area, it does have several about: pages that show you all sorts of interesting information about what's going on behind the scenes. Check out Google Chrome's full list of hidden about: pages here.
Get Extras: Bookmarklets, AutoHotkey Scripts, and More Chrome-Related Downloads

While Google Chrome doesn't support extensions (yet), several macros, bookmarklets, and other third-party extras can make working with Chrome easier. Here's a quick list.

* Block ads in Google Chrome with Privoxy. Using free web proxy and ad-blocking software Privoxy, you can block distracting advertisements in Google Chrome.
* Create Custom Chrome keyboard shortcuts with AutoHotKey. Our favorite Windows macro scripting language, AutoHotKey, can make browsing with Chrome via the keyboard even easier. Here's a full Chrome shortcut AHK file that adds nine keyboard shortcuts (including the much-needed "Paste and go" shortcut).
* Preview a web site's RSS feeds, or print a page in one click with bookmarklets. Without toolbars or extensions, plain old bookmarklets come in very hand. Here's a bookmarklet that auto-detects and previews a web site's feed. Here's one that will print the current page. (You can also just hit the Ctrl+P keyboard shortcut).
* Open pages from Firefox in Chrome. If you're browsing in both Firefox and Chrome and like to use Chrome for certain pages, the Open in Google Chrome Firefox extension does just that. With it installed, set certain links to open in Chrome, or select a link and choose "Open in Chrome" manually from the context menu.
* Run Chrome from your thumb drive. When you're in IT lockdown or traveling from computer to computer (but want to keep your Chrome settings), you want the portable, standalone version of Chrome (free download).
* Anonymize your Chrome surfing. Chrome Anonymizer scrambles your unique ID and makes it impossible for anyone to track what you're doing in Chrome.

Shuck off Google's Branding and Go Open Source with Chromium

Switch to the more frequently updated and open source version of the Chrome browser, called Chromium. Google expert Phillip Lennsen explains:

Do you want Google Chrome without Google's branding and with an open source license (BSD license)? Check out Chromium, the open source project created for Google Chrome. You can install the latest snapshots for Windows or download the code and build it in Windows, Mac, Linux.

To install Chromium in Windows, go to the most recent directory from this page (it should be at the top) and download mini_installer.exe. Note that these snapshots could be less stable than the version available at google.com/chrome and you may need to manually update Chromium.

Speaking of updating, you can keep on top of frequent Chromium builds using the Chrome Nightly Builds Updater utility.
Look Forward to What's Coming

Word on the street is that Chrome is coming for Mac and Linux users, as are extensions—plus it'll be in Google's upcoming mobile phone operating system, Android. (Linux users, if you can't want for Chrome and don't want to build Chromium yourself, here's how to run Google Chrome in Ubuntu with WINE.)

What are your favorite Google Chrome tips and tricks? Shout 'em out in the comments.

Gina Trapani, the editor of Lifehacker, likes her Chrome tricked out just so. Her weekly feature, Geek to Live, appears every Monday on Lifehacker. Subscribe to the Geek to Live feed to get new installments in your newsreader.
While I copied it in I would recommend going to the article and reading it for the information.

YaWhateva 09-16-2008 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strjms72 (Post 2525166)
I had 3 Chrome windows open, each with multiple tabs. One of the tabs locked up and crashed, and it took down all 3 browser windows along with the tabs.

At least if Firefox 3 crashes it offers to reload all the pages you had opened previously. Chrome offered nothing after the crash.

That's weird because it's totally not supposed to do that. That's the whole point of having the multithread processing. If one tab dies the others don't. Maybe it's just a bug in the beta.

I'm still using Chrome and I love it. Anybody else still using it?

ironpham 09-16-2008 09:33 AM

The one thing that's been really irking me is the fact that I can't press in the wheel and have it do the fast scroll thing like I could in IE and Firefox. Other than that it's alright I guess. The home page is pretty cool.

telekinetic 09-16-2008 09:45 AM

I miss Opera's "Left + Right mouse = back or forward" and "open new tab in background" middle click functionality. Other than that, meh. I'm using it, but it seems like they stripped a little too much out of the GUI...I wish I could enable 'verbose' or something.

UKking 09-16-2008 01:00 PM

chromeKB.com - Google Chrome Vulnerabilities

DSmith67 09-17-2008 04:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cybermike (Post 2519325)
edit again: Just noticed you can open an incognito window where browsing history isn't tracked. That's pretty nice, now I can visit my private sites AND keep public crap pasted on the front page of the browser so i can easily access it later.

How did you get that to work?

jewels 09-17-2008 04:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DSmith67 (Post 2525980)
How did you get that to work?

Right click the link you want to open in the incognito window and the option is there to choose.

Or click on the page control tool and choose "incognito window" from the drop-down menu.

DSmith67 09-17-2008 04:48 AM

TY... Just needed to look a little more. (Hate reading directions)

spindles 09-02-2009 08:09 PM

I had been using firefox excusively, but found that pages that had lots of flash like (Sydney Morning Herald - Business & World News Australia | smh.com.au) just freeze for ages and task mgr shows them using 100% cpu time. This was really killing my machine and short of disabling flash, I was stuffed.

So, I have started using Chrome full time, and must say I'm enjoying it - certainly not the hangs that firefox was having...

Shauk 09-02-2009 10:54 PM

Tried it, tried it again, wasn't impressed, tried it again, I just can't make myself like it, despite all the hype. Maybe you notice the speed but I don't. Then again i'm not using a 1900's era Dell computer. I'm not having any issues with firefox/noscript/adblock config

I get the feeling the people having problems with firefox aren't running the above configuration and may be getting memory leaks from various rogue scripts they let run unchecked through the browser.

I promise, running firefox and only running scripts from the intended page that you actually want to view is better than going there with a 'faster' browser running all the scripts irrelevant to your experience.

spindles 09-03-2009 07:38 PM

well, the smh.com.au site uses lots of flash for their content - I did use both adblock and flashblock but it made the site just about unusable and given it is my local newspaper, I look at it most days.

Besides ,you shouldn't have to add a third party plugin to make the browser work 'normally'. (I know - flash viewer is a third party plugin, so quite ironic to use another plugin to block it).

Redlemon 01-08-2010 12:20 PM

The developer builds of Chrome for Mac now allow for the installation of extensions. I've been using Firefox since 0.3, but today I think I' will leave it behind. Still some things I'm not used to yet, but I'll get there soon.

Shauk 01-08-2010 02:54 PM

I'm still keeping my eye on it, I have it on my netbook and it's come along a bit, but it handles flash pretty badly. I'll watch hulu on firefox and it'll stutter from time to time on a netbook because they have really low specs and all, and it takes a performance hit when it needs to clean up the cache to make room for the new video content or next episode I want to watch. chrome, on the other hand, will just completely shit after the 1st episode and require me to close the browser and reopen it to get it to load a following episode.

MSD 01-09-2010 10:28 AM

Some flash apps make it hang, but I've used it exclusively (except when I need to download a Youtube video or something FF extension-related) since release day. It does everything two or three times faster than any other browser I've tried.


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