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Xazy · 09-02-2008, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Church

I have a menu for bookmarks. Its on the right under the wrench.

I have that to, but I want to access it only via keyboard, like Alt B on firefox.

dogzilla · 09-02-2008, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Church

I have a menu for bookmarks. Its on the right under the wrench.

If you click on the wrench icon, the top choice on the popup menu is an option to turn the bookmark bar on or off. Mine defaulted to off and I didn't have a bookmarks menu. There's also an options choice on the same menu but I don't see any auto-complete options.

paparora · 09-02-2008, 06:16 PM

Google's Web Browser

I have been using it..cant say if it beats firefox (i mean its not an easy thing to do)..but you all should try it as well.

Google Chrome - Download a new browser

Baraka_Guru · 09-02-2008, 07:10 PM

I can't exactly explain why, but I have absolutely no desire to try this out. I like Google and all, but I just don't know.

Maybe it's because nothing in Firefox disappoints me, and I don't feel anything is missing.

If it becomes generally accepted that this new browser is tops, I might try it. Until then? I have not reason to use up the time.

Craven Morehead · 09-02-2008, 07:11 PM

Porn, porn, porn. Its always about the porn.

Baraka_Guru · 09-02-2008, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Craven Morehead

Porn, porn, porn. Its always about the porn.

Good point! It's amazing how much technological development is driven by the overabundance of pornography and wanton militarism.

Rekna · 09-02-2008, 09:32 PM

ahh no ad block!

shakran · 09-02-2008, 10:05 PM

tried it. It's fast! that's nice. But I'm not overly fond of its interface.

KnifeMissile · 09-02-2008, 11:57 PM

It's quickly winning me over...

I'm desperate for an alternative 'cause all browsers, including FireFox, leak memory like there's no tomorrow. I'm hoping Google Chrome will be different and I have good reason to believe that it will be.

I like its minimalist interface and its sheer speed is seductive...

ShaniFaye · 09-03-2008, 02:25 AM

Its going to have to have some add ons for me to want to use it at work, the only way I can get to TFP (at work) is to use the proxy add on because ever since the upgrade my work firewall blocks it for some reason lol AND for some strange reason it wont load gmail at work either

Halx · 09-03-2008, 04:11 AM

Benchmarks are in for the JavaScript engine... Chrome blows everyone away.

Speed test: Google Chrome beats Firefox, IE, Safari | Business Tech - CNET News

Baraka_Guru · 09-03-2008, 05:30 AM

In the grand scheme of things, this speed difference is of little consequence to me. I'm going to wait to see what people are saying about the whole package.

Halx · 09-03-2008, 06:14 AM

Well, when you consider that many of today's best websites use a heavy amount of JavaScript, you might reconsider. If you've ever used Digg, Google Docs, Gmail, Facebook, or any page that allows a high amount of element interaction (drag/drop, new content without refreshing, etc) you'll probably appreciate the speed.

MSD · 09-03-2008, 06:32 AM

Everything is faster. I'm using it for almost everything at work, but I still want my mouse gestures.

Baraka_Guru · 09-03-2008, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Halx

Well, when you consider that many of today's best websites use a heavy amount of JavaScript, you might reconsider. If you've ever used Digg, Google Docs, Gmail, Facebook, or any page that allows a high amount of element interaction (drag/drop, new content without refreshing, etc) you'll probably appreciate the speed.

I don't really use a lot of that. Not yet, at least. I'm sure with the changing face of the Internet, I will see more of this on websites in general. Maybe then I'll switch to Chrome. (Although I might try it out soon, just out of curiosity, but there's no OS X option yet.) But, who knows, maybe the competition will force Firefox et al to rethink their handling of JavaScript.

Ideally, if Chrome does everything else as good as or better than Firefox, I'll reconsider.

Redlemon · 09-03-2008, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru

But, who knows, maybe the competition will force Firefox et al to rethink their handling of JavaScript.

Firefox 3.1 is going to use a new JS as well, called TraceMonkey. They think it is generally faster than the V8 used in Chrome; see Brendan's Roadmap Updates: TraceMonkey Update for their analysis.

Also, while it is present in the current nightlies, it isn't on by default yet. There's an about:config preference to do so: set javascript.options.jit.chrome to true.

Baraka_Guru · 09-03-2008, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Redlemon

Firefox 3.1 is going to use a new JS as well, called TraceMonkey. They think it is generally faster than the V8 used in Chrome

Wo0t!

telekinetic · 09-03-2008, 11:12 AM

DO NOT WANT RIDICULOUS EULA

Quote:

11.1 You retain copyright and any other rights that you already hold in Content that you submit, post or display on or through the Services. By submitting, posting or displaying the content, you give Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free and non-exclusive licence to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any Content that you submit, post or display on or through the Services. This licence is for the sole purpose of enabling Google to display, distribute and promote the Services and may be revoked for certain Services as defined in the Additional Terms of those Services.

(emphasis mine)

Use Chrome to look at your flickr? Those images belong to Google now.
Make a blog post? Belongs to google
Upload an mp3? Google's now.

What's that? They can't have the copyright rights because you don't own the content, by, say, looking at someone ELSE'S flikr? Well...you just better not do that, as they've got they're ass covered...

Quote:

11.4 You confirm and warrant to Google that you have all the rights, power and authority necessary to grant the above licence.

ShaniFaye · 09-03-2008, 12:21 PM

Is license actually spelled the way it is in your post in their legal terms?

telekinetic · 09-03-2008, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ShaniFaye

Is license actually spelled the way it is in your post in their legal terms?

Everything in quotes is copied directly from the Chrome EULA that all of you who have it agreed to when you clicked 'accept and install'

If you've forgotten, click here and scroll down:

Google Chrome for Windows - Terms and Conditions Agreement

11.2 and 11.3 aren't exactly benign either, they just pale in comparison to 1 and 4:

Quote:

11. Content license from you

11.1 You retain copyright and any other rights you already hold in Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services. By submitting, posting or displaying the content you give Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services. This license is for the sole purpose of enabling Google to display, distribute and promote the Services and may be revoked for certain Services as defined in the Additional Terms of those Services.

11.2 You agree that this license includes a right for Google to make such Content available to other companies, organizations or individuals with whom Google has relationships for the provision of syndicated services, and to use such Content in connection with the provision of those services.

11.3 You understand that Google, in performing the required technical steps to provide the Services to our users, may (a) transmit or distribute your Content over various public networks and in various media; and (b) make such changes to your Content as are necessary to conform and adapt that Content to the technical requirements of connecting networks, devices, services or media. You agree that this license shall permit Google to take these actions.

11.4 You confirm and warrant to Google that you have all the rights, power and authority necessary to grant the above license.

edit: Oh ok, I misunderstood your question. Yes, it was that way when I copied it out the first time...it looks like they've fixed it now. Well, fixed the spelling anyways, which means someone is aware of it...but really, that was the part that bothered you? That you agree that google can distribute your banking information and sell your photos doesn't bother you as much as an incorrect letter?

ShaniFaye · 09-03-2008, 12:31 PM

um ok then why is it spelled right in what you just quoted, but is wrong in the first post (not that it matters I just wondered how it got misspelled so many times lol)

telekinetic · 09-03-2008, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ShaniFaye

um ok then why is it spelled right in what you just quoted, but is wrong in the first post (not that it matters I just wondered how it got misspelled so many times lol)

copied once when i made the post...copied again to get the whole section when i thought you were asking a different question.

jewels · 09-03-2008, 12:35 PM

This is most likely standard legalese. If this were meant to be the case, they wouldn't be in business much longer.

After all the press about it in the past couple of days, it surely will be reworded. I can't see how that could possibly hold up in a Court of law, or how Google would expect to continue growth.

EDIT: Here ya go:

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Google on Chrome EULA controversy: our bad, we'll change it
By Nate Anderson | Published: September 03, 2008 - 02:56PM CT

Google's new web browser Chrome is fast, shiny, and requires users to sign their very lives over to Google before they can use it. Today's Internet outrage du jour has been Chrome's EULA, which appears to give Google a nonexclusive right to display and distribute every bit of content transmitted through the browser. Now, Google tells Ars that it's a mistake, the EULA will be corrected, and the correction will be retroactive.

Court says "no" to changing terms of service without notification
UK consumer group seeks crackdown on unfair EULAs
Autodesk sued for $10 million after invoking DMCA to stop eBay resales
As noted by an attorney at Tap the Hive and various and sundry other sites, the Chrome EULA reads like a lot of Google's other EULAs. It requires users to "give Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and nonexclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services."

"Services" seems like an odd way to describe a web browser, but the EULA makes clear that "Services" refers to "Google’s products, software, services and web sites." The EULA's indication that Google could republish anything even "displayed" in the browser sounded a tiny bit evil, even if Google might just be looking to stave off lawsuits.

Google has been in EULA trouble before over services like Google Docs. In that case, the company changed the terms of service to clarify that, in the words of a spokesperson, "Your fantasy football spreadsheets are not going to end up shared with the world unless you want them to be."

Here at Ars, our first thought on reading the EULA was that it looks a whole lot like the EULAs Google uses for other services, with the "content license" provision being an obvious example of this. In fact, that's basically what it was.

Google's Rebecca Ward, Senior Product Counsel for Google Chrome, now tells Ars Technica that the company tries to reuse these licenses as much as possible, "in order to keep things simple for our users." Ward admits that sometimes "this means that the legal terms for a specific product may include terms that don't apply well to the use of that product" and says that Google is "working quickly to remove language from Section 11 of the current Google Chrome terms of service. This change will apply retroactively to all users who have downloaded Google Chrome."

So, there you have it: a tempest in a (chrome) teapot. Not that it's the only one; as Ina Fried of News.com points out, Chrome's "Omnibar" can also access all keystrokes a user types, and Google will store some of this information along with IP addresses.

inBOIL · 09-03-2008, 12:39 PM

So how long before the RIAA sues Google for claiming rights to downloaded music?

telekinetic · 09-03-2008, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jewels

This is most likely standard legalese. If this were meant to be the case, they wouldn't be in business much longer.

It most definitely isn't...well, it is standard for google (the reason I don't use orkut), but I agree that they will probably reword it, as "chrome EULA" has 35000 google (hmm i sense a problem) hits currently, I think it will probably be resolved soon. Similar cases with myspace and a few others have been changed.

Me? I will wait.

Gizmodo's take:

http://gizmodo.com/5044871/google-ch...osts-to-emails

Baraka_Guru · 09-03-2008, 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by twistedmosaic

[size=6]Use Chrome to look at your flickr? Those images belong to Google now.
Make a blog post? Belongs to google
Upload an mp3? Google's now.

What's that? They can't have the copyright rights because you don't own the content, by, say, looking at someone ELSE'S flikr? Well...you just better not do that, as they've got they're ass covered...

Whatever.

Google is probably the world's biggest violator of copyright laws.

National and international copyright laws should supersede anything Google sneaks into their terms. Of course, much of this is still foggy in this digital age.

And, by the way, the "Content" doesn't belong to Google; they're merely licensed to use it as the terms outline (i.e., make money off of it).

KnifeMissile · 09-03-2008, 01:07 PM

This article might be of interest...

Quote:

Google backtracks on Chrome license terms

Google said on Wednesday that it plans to alter contract terms that gave the search provider broad rights to use anything entered into its new Chrome browser.

"In order to keep things simple for our users, we try to use the same set of legal terms (our Universal Terms of Service) for many of our products," Google said in a statement provided to CNET News. "Sometimes, as in the case of Google Chrome, this means that the legal terms for a specific product may include terms that don't apply well to the use of that product. We are working quickly to remove language from Section 11 of the current Google Chrome terms of service."

As first noted by CNET News on Tuesday, Chrome's End User License agreement appeared to give Google a perpetual right to use anything one entered into the browser. Section 11 stated that although users retain copyright to their works, "by submitting, posting or displaying the content you give Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any Content which you submit, post or display on or through, the Services."
Google said the change, once it is made, will apply retroactively to anyone who has downloaded the browser.

All this is separate from the issue of what information Google plans to store on its servers. Provided that users leave on the auto-suggest feature in Chrome and have Google as their default search provider, Google has the right to store any information typed into Chrome's Ominibox, which serves as both search bar and address bar. The software maker told CNET News it plans to store about 2 percent of all such data, along with the IP address of the computer that entered the information.

Halx · 09-03-2008, 02:06 PM

That EULA is scary, but now that they're rescinding it... how do you feel? I figure that there was no way the company could get away with that.

telekinetic · 09-03-2008, 02:43 PM

I feel relieved that they are backtracking it, but I also feel that people should read what they are accepting, and assume the company has had its lawyers look it over and can enforce it.

Halx · 09-03-2008, 04:06 PM

Google: Launch early and iterate.

Charlatan · 09-03-2008, 04:52 PM

Licence is spelled with two "cs" in the UK and Canada (and most of the English-speaking world). The "s" is American spelling.

Church · 09-03-2008, 06:20 PM

Is it just me or is there no "home" button? I've set my homepage, however I don't know how to actually go to it minus typing it in of course.

cj2112 · 09-03-2008, 07:08 PM

In the options menu, there is a check box to show the home button on the tool bar.

Halx · 09-04-2008, 10:59 AM

Fun little piece.. if you go into the task manager, there is a button called "Stats for nerds" - gotta love it.

Hain · 09-04-2008, 12:02 PM

I am using it and I am getting a lot of strange errors. First off, every youtube page I visit, it tells me that the video is no longer available... Works fine in IE and Firefox. I have reinstalled Flash, both for IE and non-IE browsers twice.
I tried filling out a registration form online to buy some school books and every time I received an error that something was incorrect on the page with the list of incorrect items blank. Worked fine in IE.

It is interesting, and I bet as the beta progresses lots more features will come out. So far, I really don't like how it saves my history and doesn't clear my browser cache on exist.

Tophat665 · 09-04-2008, 06:28 PM

I'll have a look at this around January, I think. That should be plenty of time to get an adblock, a bugmenot, and a keylogger defeat extension out there.

MontanaXVI · 09-04-2008, 08:39 PM

I am kinda enjoying it, the speed is visibly faster than FF, but who knows if that is due to Noscript, Adblock, and any other extensions I have installed.

Don't know if I will make an outright switch as I have NEVER had any issues with FF and it runs stable as a rock.

Vigilante · 09-04-2008, 09:33 PM

Same. I don't like the IE-like layout either. I'll wait for the regular extensions such as adblock etc that others have already mentioned.

healer · 09-04-2008, 09:45 PM

The first thing I noticed is that it pulls proxy settings straight out of IE, and doesn't let you have your own proxy just for Chrome. :/

laconic1 · 09-05-2008, 12:36 AM

When I installed Windows it set my hard drive as disk H, and the card reader I have installed set up as drives C, D, E, and F, with my DVD drive as G. I don't know why it did it that way, but now ever since I installed Chrome I get a periodic googleupdate.exe message complaining about no disk in drive C. I can't make that pop-up go away until I stick a flash drive in drive C and click Continue or Retry. It's really starting to piss me off.

09-02-2008, 06:16 PM	#43 (permalink)
paparora Upright	Google Chrome Google's Web Browser I have been using it..cant say if it beats firefox (i mean its not an easy thing to do)..but you all should try it as well. Google Chrome - Download a new browser

09-02-2008, 07:10 PM	#44 (permalink)
Baraka_Guru warrior bodhisattva Super Moderator Location: East-central Canada	I can't exactly explain why, but I have absolutely no desire to try this out. I like Google and all, but I just don't know. Maybe it's because nothing in Firefox disappoints me, and I don't feel anything is missing. If it becomes generally accepted that this new browser is tops, I might try it. Until then? I have not reason to use up the time. __________________ Knowing that death is certain and that the time of death is uncertain, what's the most important thing? —Bhikkhuni Pema Chödrön Humankind cannot bear very much reality. —From "Burnt Norton," Four Quartets (1936), T. S. Eliot

09-03-2008, 02:25 AM	#50 (permalink)
ShaniFaye Submit to me, you know you want to Location: Lilburn, Ga	Its going to have to have some add ons for me to want to use it at work, the only way I can get to TFP (at work) is to use the proxy add on because ever since the upgrade my work firewall blocks it for some reason lol AND for some strange reason it wont load gmail at work either __________________ *I want the diabetic plan that comes with rollover carbs. I dont like the unused one expiring at midnite!!*

09-03-2008, 04:11 AM	#51 (permalink)
Halx Please touch this. Owner/Admin Location: Manhattan	Benchmarks are in for the JavaScript engine... Chrome blows everyone away. Speed test: Google Chrome beats Firefox, IE, Safari \| Business Tech - CNET News __________________ You have found this post informative. -The Administrator [Don't Feed The Animals]

09-03-2008, 05:30 AM	#52 (permalink)
Baraka_Guru warrior bodhisattva Super Moderator Location: East-central Canada	In the grand scheme of things, this speed difference is of little consequence to me. I'm going to wait to see what people are saying about the whole package. __________________ Knowing that death is certain and that the time of death is uncertain, what's the most important thing? —Bhikkhuni Pema Chödrön Humankind cannot bear very much reality. —From "Burnt Norton," Four Quartets (1936), T. S. Eliot

09-02-2008, 07:11 PM	#45 (permalink)
Craven Morehead Custom User Title	Porn, porn, porn. Its always about the porn.

09-02-2008, 09:32 PM	#47 (permalink)
Rekna Junkie	ahh no ad block!

09-02-2008, 10:05 PM	#48 (permalink)
shakran Tone.	tried it. It's fast! that's nice. But I'm not overly fond of its interface.

09-02-2008, 11:57 PM	#49 (permalink)
KnifeMissile Location: Waterloo, Ontario	It's quickly winning me over... I'm desperate for an alternative 'cause all browsers, including FireFox, leak memory like there's no tomorrow. I'm hoping Google Chrome will be different and I have good reason to believe that it will be. I like its minimalist interface and its sheer speed is seductive...

09-03-2008, 06:14 AM	#53 (permalink)
Halx Please touch this. Owner/Admin Location: Manhattan	Well, when you consider that many of today's best websites use a heavy amount of JavaScript, you might reconsider. If you've ever used Digg, Google Docs, Gmail, Facebook, or any page that allows a high amount of element interaction (drag/drop, new content without refreshing, etc) you'll probably appreciate the speed. __________________ You have found this post informative. -The Administrator [Don't Feed The Animals]

09-03-2008, 06:32 AM	#54 (permalink)
MSD The sky calls to us ... Super Moderator Location: CT	Everything is faster. I'm using it for almost everything at work, but I still want my mouse gestures.

09-03-2008, 12:21 PM	#59 (permalink)
ShaniFaye Submit to me, you know you want to Location: Lilburn, Ga	Is license actually spelled the way it is in your post in their legal terms? __________________ *I want the diabetic plan that comes with rollover carbs. I dont like the unused one expiring at midnite!!*

09-03-2008, 12:31 PM	#61 (permalink)
ShaniFaye Submit to me, you know you want to Location: Lilburn, Ga	um ok then why is it spelled right in what you just quoted, but is wrong in the first post (not that it matters I just wondered how it got misspelled so many times lol) __________________ *I want the diabetic plan that comes with rollover carbs. I dont like the unused one expiring at midnite!!*

09-03-2008, 12:39 PM	#64 (permalink)
inBOIL I have eaten the slaw	So how long before the RIAA sues Google for claiming rights to downloaded music? __________________ And you believe Bush and the liberals and divorced parents and gays and blacks and the Christian right and fossil fuels and Xbox are all to blame, meanwhile you yourselves create an ad where your kid hits you in the head with a baseball and you don't understand the message that the problem is you.

09-03-2008, 02:06 PM	#68 (permalink)
Halx Please touch this. Owner/Admin Location: Manhattan	That EULA is scary, but now that they're rescinding it... how do you feel? I figure that there was no way the company could get away with that. __________________ You have found this post informative. -The Administrator [Don't Feed The Animals]

09-03-2008, 02:43 PM	#69 (permalink)
telekinetic zomgomgomgomgomgomg Location: Fauxenix, Azerona	I feel relieved that they are backtracking it, but I also feel that people should read what they are accepting, and assume the company has had its lawyers look it over and can enforce it.

09-03-2008, 04:06 PM	#70 (permalink)
Halx Please touch this. Owner/Admin Location: Manhattan	Google: Launch early and iterate. __________________ You have found this post informative. -The Administrator [Don't Feed The Animals]

09-03-2008, 04:52 PM	#71 (permalink)
Charlatan Getting it. Super Moderator Location: Lion City	Licence is spelled with two "cs" in the UK and Canada (and most of the English-speaking world). The "s" is American spelling. __________________ "My hands are on fire. Hands are on fire. Ain't got no more time for all you charlatans and liars." - Old Man Luedecke

09-03-2008, 06:20 PM	#72 (permalink)
Church Tilted F*ckhead Location: New Jersey	Is it just me or is there no "home" button? I've set my homepage, however I don't know how to actually go to it minus typing it in of course. __________________ Through counter-intelligence, it should be possible to pinpoint potential trouble makers, and neutralize them.

09-03-2008, 07:08 PM	#73 (permalink)
cj2112 Unbelievable Location: Grants Pass OR	In the options menu, there is a check box to show the home button on the tool bar.

09-04-2008, 10:59 AM	#74 (permalink)
Halx Please touch this. Owner/Admin Location: Manhattan	Fun little piece.. if you go into the task manager, there is a button called "Stats for nerds" - gotta love it. __________________ You have found this post informative. -The Administrator [Don't Feed The Animals]

09-04-2008, 12:02 PM	#75 (permalink)
Hain has a plan Location: middle of Whywouldanyonebethere	I am using it and I am getting a lot of strange errors. First off, every youtube page I visit, it tells me that the video is no longer available... Works fine in IE and Firefox. I have reinstalled Flash, both for IE and non-IE browsers twice. I tried filling out a registration form online to buy some school books and every time I received an error that something was incorrect on the page with the list of incorrect items blank. Worked fine in IE. It is interesting, and I bet as the beta progresses lots more features will come out. So far, I really don't like how it saves my history and doesn't clear my browser cache on exist.

09-04-2008, 06:28 PM	#76 (permalink)
Tophat665 Minion of the scaléd ones Location: Northeast Jesusland	I'll have a look at this around January, I think. That should be plenty of time to get an adblock, a bugmenot, and a keylogger defeat extension out there. __________________ Light a man a fire, and he will be warm while it burns. Set a man on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life.

09-04-2008, 08:39 PM	#77 (permalink)
MontanaXVI Junkie Location: Go A's!!!!	I am kinda enjoying it, the speed is visibly faster than FF, but who knows if that is due to Noscript, Adblock, and any other extensions I have installed. Don't know if I will make an outright switch as I have NEVER had any issues with FF and it runs stable as a rock. __________________ Spank you very much

09-04-2008, 09:33 PM	#78 (permalink)
Vigilante Broken Arrow Location: US	Same. I don't like the IE-like layout either. I'll wait for the regular extensions such as adblock etc that others have already mentioned. __________________ We contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle. -Winston Churchill

09-05-2008, 12:36 AM	#80 (permalink)
laconic1 Junkie	When I installed Windows it set my hard drive as disk H, and the card reader I have installed set up as drives C, D, E, and F, with my DVD drive as G. I don't know why it did it that way, but now ever since I installed Chrome I get a periodic googleupdate.exe message complaining about no disk in drive C. I can't make that pop-up go away until I stick a flash drive in drive C and click Continue or Retry. It's really starting to piss me off.