The New Apple Power Mac G5 - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

zer010gic · 06-27-2003, 07:45 AM

So I am wondering what are people thinking about this new machine. Apple has finaly released a computer that rivals even the best PC. I personaly cant wait to get one. I have always felt that Apple creates and releases new and inovative technology.

So what does everyone elese think? Do you like it, dislike it or dont care. Any question, comment, or feelings about apples new creation. I personally think its about time and is the average user ready for a 64 bit computer?

sixate · 06-27-2003, 12:45 PM

I could really care less about the damn thing. All I can say is overpriced... They're even more overpriced than Alienware rigs. No way I'll get rid of my PC for one.

zer010gic · 06-27-2003, 01:49 PM

Not really for a comprable powered machine it seams that the pc is more expensive they pited a $4000 dollar dell dual xeon agianst the duel $3000 G5 and the G5 stomped its ass. So thats about a thousand cheeper for better performace. On a performace comparision scale the the Macs are faster for cheeper it would seem to me.

terit · 06-27-2003, 03:07 PM

When it comes to the Mac, people who don't "get it" never will.

A person drives a Lexus, BMW or other similar car because it is one of the best cars out there, not because it is the most cost effective.

That is the same reason I use Macs. Indeed, when you look at overall cost, including the cost of my lost time and headaches when using PeeCees, plus the costs of all the add-ons it would take to get a cheap PC to do what I need it to do, the cost of the Mac is actually quite good.

Many people think that they can't afford Macs, when in reality there are plenty of Macs in most medium budgets. Yes, you won't find the ultra-lowend e-machine style macs, but that is the point... Macs are premium products that are designed to work in premium ways. The people that design them take the time to actually consider how I, as a user, thinks, feels, and interacts with the machine. That consideration from leading designers (yes, Apple has won dozens of awards over the years for their designs and I am not just talking about pretty colors) may come with a little extra cost attached, but for those of us that can appreciate true quality of design, it is a cost worth paying.

If you don't have the resources to buy a mac, that is understandable. If you are a gamer, there aren't as many games on the mac, so it is understandable that the mac is not right for you. However, if you are too cheap to even consider the benefits, then that is simple ignorance by choice and there is no excuse for shouting off on something you truly do not understand.

The_Dude · 06-27-2003, 03:25 PM

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Originally posted by sixate
I could really care less about the damn thing. All I can say is overpriced... They're even more overpriced than Alienware rigs. No way I'll get rid of my PC for one.

agree w/ you on that.

wait till the amd 64bit proc's get here!!!

anyway, i'm not a hater of mac's, i really want them to do good to challege ms in the os market

friend_pokey · 06-27-2003, 04:03 PM

the best reason to use a mac is that OS X is the best desktop OS there is. Now that apple finally has hardware to compete with windows based computers, i think it will entice more people to use macs.

losfp · 06-27-2003, 06:33 PM

I'm not sure what to think about it, really. There are no 3rd party reviews, I have never seen on in the flesh let alone use one. I don't know how accurate the reported benchmarks are. I don't mind the look of the thing, I can't tell how easy it would be to open up and tweak. I don't know how quietely it runs.

I'm still saving up for one though

adrik · 06-27-2003, 06:35 PM

I think the new G5 is gonna rock the industry. Combined with OS X 10.3, it's gonna really be a powerful system. I agree 100% with terit, people who use macs, do so for a reason. Seems like anyone can have a computer these days. For what most people use them for, a mac probably isn't the best use of their money. Any cheap computer can surf the net, get/send email and type letters to mom & dad. Mac users stay loyal because they need the graphics/multimedia power offered by the mac.

While it's true that there isn't as much software out there for the mac as there is for Windows, an argument could also be made regarding how many different word processors do you need, how many email apps, etc. The apps that are available for the mac (mostly) are just as powerful as their Windows counterparts and, let's face it, they're MUCH prettier. :-)

Anyway, the combination of the G5 and Panther will be a winning one for Apple. One last little side note regarding the price, the top-end G4 was introduced at about $3500 while the top-end G5 is down to $3000. Still out of my price range but it is a bit cheaper.

iamii · 06-27-2003, 06:57 PM

If I had the money I would definetly spend it on this machine. Would be awesome for graphics design.

VirFighter · 06-27-2003, 10:27 PM

I love it.

I wish I had one to use and play with, OS X would satisfy my need to tinker with linux and it would provide with me a nice usable system everyday with minimal hoops to jump through.

Wish I had one but can't afford it, especially as a "tinker machine" . I built my current system for about $1000 (not including monitor) and it was fairly high end when I built it and it does everything I need it to do. Plus I can still fire up the games I like when school work gets to me.

G5 is very tempting and I hope it does well for Apple. I've been pulling for Apple to do well, fuck, I think I still own some Apple stock even.

MacGnG · 06-27-2003, 11:24 PM

i like it better than the g4!, it's much more simplistic looking and like streamlinned and smoooooooooth

spcae maggot · 06-28-2003, 03:29 AM

They look pretty interesting, but I'm gonna wait til IBM releases some blade's with 970's and see if I can get OSX on that(hopefully they'll be a lot cheaper).

zer010gic · 06-28-2003, 05:20 AM

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Originally posted by losfp
... I don't know how quietely it runs....

To answer your question about how quite it runs in the key note Jobs said they have tested it to find it is half the noise of the G4 and at normal running contitions in a room about 70-72 degrees F running normal office apps it is about 35dbA. Which is pretty damn quite comparded to my PC.

bodypainter · 06-28-2003, 05:42 AM

It looks okay to me but that matters not to me since our CPU's are behind a door tucked into our desks.

I will be wonderful to have Apple back in the performance race. That they are or aren't the fastest isn't important so long as they're at least in the race.

I'll have one by the end of the year. I've been sticking with my old G4/400, waiting for the next gen. The wait is almost over!

brandon11983 · 06-28-2003, 10:11 AM

zzzzzz........

Mac's suck. I would buy one so I could gut the case and make a PC out of it. That would be the shit.

bodypainter · 06-28-2003, 12:07 PM

Ah come on - aren't you interested in seeing what Windows and Wintel machines will look like 3 or 5 years from now?

AxelF · 06-28-2003, 01:09 PM

Well, maybe I wish i was a really gifted graphics artist, then I could want one of these. And spend my life drawing on it all day. That could be cool.

But I'm just a guy who spends my life designing insurance systems and makes it glorious by surfing, gaming and building my own rigs. Guess I'll have to stick with the wintel stuff.

Hence I don't care what the fruit guys do.

bermuDa · 06-28-2003, 05:34 PM

too bad Apple has to manipulate their numbers to beat out PC platforms, and ommitted Opterons from their tests cause even with the special fast malloc library they ran on the G5 (and not the PCs) they couldn't come close to the Opteron results.

Lies and More Damn Lies From Apple

haha and they disabled hyperthreading on the multi-processor intel systems! what a joke. Funny thing is there are a few people that will still jump on the G5 like it was the last chopper out of saigon.

drawerfixer · 06-28-2003, 05:58 PM

I'd like to find a benchmark testing that isn't designed to show off the premiered computer.

I've read points and counterpoints regarding this scenario... I'm going to reserve judgement until I test one. Before then, I'll refrain.

sixate · 06-28-2003, 09:05 PM

bermuDa, great link. I find it funny that a Mac user has serious issues with how Applle claims that the new G5 is faster than any PC. After reading that link I think Apple is a fucking joke.

terit · 06-28-2003, 09:51 PM

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Originally posted by bermuDa
too bad Apple has to manipulate their numbers to beat out PC platforms, and ommitted Opterons from their tests cause even with the special fast malloc library they ran on the G5 (and not the PCs) they couldn't come close to the Opteron results.

Those more educated on the subject know that Apple has already answered to the issues brought up in the link in this post. You can read more at this link at Slashdot.

There are hundreds of ways to do benchmarks and hundreds of minor changes which can be made to affect the outcome. Most companies try to show off the functions in which their machine performs the best (duh). I do not pretend to know enough about every element of the inner workings of a processor to judge the accuracy of any of these reports, but I also don't just take the word of the manufacturer as my only guide in making a purchasing decision. Making an informed choice requires doing a fair amount of research to educate yourself... a skill lil' bermie clearly does not have.

bermuDa · 06-28-2003, 11:32 PM

"Those more educated on the subject" oooh such passive aggressiveness

and "lil bermie"? how patronizing.

it's true that manufacturers prefer to release benchmark results that favor their products... but...

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from my previous link
Apple also claims that the G5 is the world's first PC with a 64-bit processor (the exact claim is, "The Power Mac G5 is the world's fastest personal computer and the first with a 64-bit processor").

However, according to AMD's 22 April 2003 press release, AMD introduced the AMD Opteron processor, which is a 64-bit processor. That is 2 months earlier than Apple's announcement of the G5.

Also, the Sun SPARC computers, which have been around for years, had 64-bit processors, although Apple would say that they are not "personal computers", despite the fact that you can buy an old one very cheaply. The DEC Alpha processors were also 64-bit. Thank you to the readers that pointed this out to me.

My opinion of Apple remains unscathed, I doubt any amount of research would change that.

//edit: if you read the whole article I linked you might see the author actually acknowledges Joswiak's response to the accusations of deception, and rips it apart point by point.

drawerfixer · 06-29-2003, 11:13 AM

I know this is pretty pointless, as we are all pretty set in our ideas and thoughts, but you can find articles that rip the "Lies and More Damn Lies From Apple" article apart point by point.

I think we all just look for articles or facts which agree with our presumptions...
Or maybe I'm wrong and the G5 sucks. Heh.

Realizm · 06-29-2003, 05:32 PM

You Windows users don't have Expose. Sorry. :-(

billcollins · 06-30-2003, 12:27 PM

Finally some decent speeds. I cant wait until it comes out with a few revisions come out and push the lower end ones in to my price range (with decent speeds).

Id love to own one, but price/speed is way outta my league.

zer010gic · 06-30-2003, 12:46 PM

Thats what I am saying I just can't wait to get one I want the dual 2 gig to come down in price.

amge · 07-23-2003, 08:50 AM

Just wait until OSx can run on the Intel. I have a beta copy of OSx on Intel. I think once people use the MacOS, they will like it a lot more then MS Winhosed XP.

I have used a Mac since 1989 and still think it's better than a PC.
Over the 14 years, I have only had to purchase a new Mac 3 times during that time. No need for any upgrades during that time.

My PC on the other hand, over the past 10 years, I have rebuilt 7 times. Each OS upgrade, I would always have hardware that didn't work with the WIndows. Like my tape backup unit stopped working after Windows 2000. Both printer and scanned stopped working after Windows XP. The scsi card stopped working after Windows 2000.

So hard ware wise I think I have spent more money on the PC than the Mac.

Vanquish · 07-23-2003, 08:53 AM

I have seen some benchmarks, sorry forget the site, but teh Dual Xeon destroyed the G5, and the new Dual Opteron 280s destroyed the Xeon, So I think Apple will still be in there Media nitch of the industry, I think it will take more then a few new inovations like PCI-x comming out before the PC to change a few users opinions. Anyway, I am happy that it is comming out, the mac folks decserve decient speed.

amge · 07-23-2003, 08:56 AM

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Originally posted by bermuDa

However, according to AMD's 22 April 2003 press release, AMD introduced the AMD Opteron processor, which is a 64-bit processor. That is 2 months earlier than Apple's announcement of the G5.

Also, the Sun SPARC computers, which have been around for years, had 64-bit processors, although Apple would say that they are not "personal computers", despite the fact that you can buy an old one very cheaply. The DEC Alpha processors were also 64-bit. Thank you to the readers that pointed this out to me.

But does Windows run in 64-bit mode with this AMD processor? For the Sparc, yes it was 64 bit, but until Solaris 8 came out, it was still a 32-bit OS. And you couldn't do just an upgrade to Solaris 8. It had to be a fresh install.

Cynthetiq · 07-23-2003, 09:19 AM

I'm not into the processor clock cycles and gigaflop comparisons... but for me.. it's about TCO (total cost of ownership) while the Mac has less down time than the PC, and my have less of a learning curve (not really anymore with GUI) but Apple has a higher TCO because the parts are much more expensive to replace when they break.

This is from Gartner Group studies.

3zos · 07-23-2003, 09:38 AM

Its pretty hard to judge a computer before you can see bench marks on real applications. I don't see why people put so much faith in how well a processor does math.. All in all the g5 is a huge step up compaired the the G4, plus, apple is constantly updating their OS where as microsoft seems to be taking forever to get the next tiny revision out the door. if you ask me, the next two years could be very good for apple.

amge · 07-23-2003, 09:49 AM

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Originally posted by Cynthetiq
I'm not into the processor clock cycles and gigaflop comparisons... but for me.. it's about TCO (total cost of ownership) while the Mac has less down time than the PC, and my have less of a learning curve (not really anymore with GUI) but Apple has a higher TCO because the parts are much more expensive to replace when they break.

This is from Gartner Group studies.

Well I have never had any part brake on any of my macs, and the macs at work either.

When I bought my macs I usually maxed out the ram. And they have not needed any upgrades other wise. So TCO on my all three of my macs was around $9000. Over the past 14 years.

My PC on the other hand. I was spending around $600-$900 per replacement of mother board, cpu, ram. I have had a total of 7 different CPU's. Plus hard drive upgrades, CD rom to a CD-RW upgrade, then a CD-RW to a DVD Burner upgrade, I think I spend a total of $3000 for those. Estimate it's around $9000 again. But this time over a 10 year period. Now put in the fact that I had to reinstall the Windohosed and software for each of the PC CPU upgrades, I still think the Mac is the easiest and better solution.

Oh and since I run the IT department at work, If I had only Mac's at work, I would not have a job.

3zos · 07-23-2003, 11:11 AM

apples are the bomb... anybody who says otherwise is poor.... hehe

really, apple is probably still selling their computers for cheep. being taht they are charging about 10x what you should be paying for memory upgrades, getting taht extra buck back from the stupid rich people...

3zos · 07-23-2003, 11:16 AM

all i can say to the above comment is: stupid fucking designer types.

3zos # 1

[edit] to amend, i view apple incredulously simply because steve jobs knows very little about what hes talking about, yet shows no hesitation on constantly saying how great apple computers are, how theyre the fastest, the worlds first supercomputer, whatever other marketting bs he spews forth at every apple con every year, without fail. the specs on the G5's look good, but theres just so much "look at me im different and unique all you peecee users are hacks" attitude within the mac community that it generally turns me off.

3zos · 07-23-2003, 11:18 AM

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Originally posted by 3zos
all i can say to the above comment is: stupid fucking designer types.

3zos # 1

wtf, i'm 3zos #1

amge · 07-23-2003, 12:19 PM

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Originally posted by 3zos
being taht they are charging about 10x what you should be paying for memory upgrades, getting taht extra buck back from the stupid rich people...

Actually the G4 Cube, and the G4 towers could use PC-100 dimms for PC's. You can use ide drives too.

amge · 07-23-2003, 12:27 PM

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Originally posted by 3zos
the specs on the G5's look good, but theres just so much "look at me im different and unique all you peecee users are hacks" attitude within the mac community that it generally turns me off.

Well you will see the Mac styling spill over to the PC in around 6 months again. Just like before. The colorful iMacs are still immitated by PC makers. Even George Foreman copied the style to his Grilling Machine. Now silver/titanium colored PC cases are the thing.

In 1997 Macs stopped putting Floppy disks into their system. Sure enough now PC's are now coming without floppies.

Apple is ways known for the first to come out with style, design or innovation. PC will just copy/hack it later.

bermuDa · 07-23-2003, 12:47 PM

just because floppy's are being phased out doesn't mean apple should be given credit for this "innovation". In fact it was a huge pain in the ass back when they started omitting FDD's from their computers, because people were STILL USING THEM. If you needed a floppy drive for your mac, you had to go out and spend 40 bucks for an external drive. it wasn't innovative, it was obnoxious.

And Aluminum cases have been on the market for years, apple didn't invent (or even popularize) silver/titanium/chrome colored pcs. how about stealthed drives? apple didn't invent those either... and I haven't seen any pc cases with a similar design to the g4/g5 cases.

amge · 07-23-2003, 01:21 PM

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Originally posted by bermuDa
just because floppy's are being phased out doesn't mean apple should be given credit for this "innovation". In fact it was a huge pain in the ass back when they started omitting FDD's from their computers, because people were STILL USING THEM. If you needed a floppy drive for your mac, you had to go out and spend 40 bucks for an external drive. it wasn't innovative, it was obnoxious.

And Aluminum cases have been on the market for years, apple didn't invent (or even popularize) silver/titanium/chrome colored pcs. how about stealthed drives? apple didn't invent those either... and I haven't seen any pc cases with a similar design to the g4/g5 cases.

I'm just saying PC's usually follow what Mac does. You didn't see Silver/titanium cases until the G4 towers came out. Once G4 come out around 6 months to a year later that is all you see. Not aluminum. Mac's usually used the clear/frosted plastic cases. But the color and the use of clear plastic panels the Macintosh started.

Most people using macs were using iomega zip drives. Back then CD-RW drives were too expensive. But zip wasn't . So they just use zip disks. Now CD-rw drives, DVD-RW drives are cheaper, the zip drive is pretty much gone. DVD-RW drives again apple was the first to offer it on a computer. HP was only three months behind.

Vanquish · 07-23-2003, 02:31 PM

I totally agree with amge. Apply was the first to include USB, Firewire, hell just about everything standard in there systems when only the very high end PCs could only get an expansion card that would do the same thing.

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06-27-2003, 07:45 AM	#1 (permalink)
zer010gic Over caffeinated Location: One Step Closer to the Edge	The New Apple Power Mac G5 So I am wondering what are people thinking about this new machine. Apple has finaly released a computer that rivals even the best PC. I personaly cant wait to get one. I have always felt that Apple creates and releases new and inovative technology. So what does everyone elese think? Do you like it, dislike it or dont care. Any question, comment, or feelings about apples new creation. I personally think its about time and is the average user ready for a 64 bit computer? __________________ Zer010giC

06-27-2003, 01:49 PM	#3 (permalink)
zer010gic Over caffeinated Location: One Step Closer to the Edge	Not really for a comprable powered machine it seams that the pc is more expensive they pited a $4000 dollar dell dual xeon agianst the duel $3000 G5 and the G5 stomped its ass. So thats about a thousand cheeper for better performace. On a performace comparision scale the the Macs are faster for cheeper it would seem to me. __________________ Zer010giC

06-27-2003, 03:07 PM	#4 (permalink)
terit Upright	When it comes to the Mac, people who don't "get it" never will. A person drives a Lexus, BMW or other similar car because it is one of the best cars out there, not because it is the most cost effective. That is the same reason I use Macs. Indeed, when you look at overall cost, including the cost of my lost time and headaches when using PeeCees, plus the costs of all the add-ons it would take to get a cheap PC to do what I need it to do, the cost of the Mac is actually quite good. Many people think that they can't afford Macs, when in reality there are plenty of Macs in most medium budgets. Yes, you won't find the ultra-lowend e-machine style macs, but that is the point... Macs are premium products that are designed to work in premium ways. The people that design them take the time to actually consider how I, as a user, thinks, feels, and interacts with the machine. That consideration from leading designers (yes, Apple has won dozens of awards over the years for their designs and I am not just talking about pretty colors) may come with a little extra cost attached, but for those of us that can appreciate true quality of design, it is a cost worth paying. If you don't have the resources to buy a mac, that is understandable. If you are a gamer, there aren't as many games on the mac, so it is understandable that the mac is not right for you. However, if you are too cheap to even consider the benefits, then that is simple ignorance by choice and there is no excuse for shouting off on something you truly do not understand. Last edited by terit; 06-27-2003 at 03:09 PM..

06-27-2003, 10:27 PM	#10 (permalink)
VirFighter Insane Location: Raleigh, NC / Atlanta, GA	I love it. I wish I had one to use and play with, OS X would satisfy my need to tinker with linux and it would provide with me a nice usable system everyday with minimal hoops to jump through. Wish I had one but can't afford it, especially as a "tinker machine" . I built my current system for about $1000 (not including monitor) and it was fairly high end when I built it and it does everything I need it to do. Plus I can still fire up the games I like when school work gets to me. G5 is very tempting and I hope it does well for Apple. I've been pulling for Apple to do well, fuck, I think I still own some Apple stock even. __________________ "The South is gonna boogie again" - Disco Stu

06-27-2003, 12:45 PM	#2 (permalink)
sixate Registered User Location: Somewhere in Ohio	I could really care less about the damn thing. All I can say is overpriced... They're even more overpriced than Alienware rigs. No way I'll get rid of my PC for one.

06-27-2003, 04:03 PM	#6 (permalink)
friend_pokey Upright	the best reason to use a mac is that OS X is the best desktop OS there is. Now that apple finally has hardware to compete with windows based computers, i think it will entice more people to use macs.

06-27-2003, 06:33 PM	#7 (permalink)
losfp Tilted Location: Sydney, Australia	I'm not sure what to think about it, really. There are no 3rd party reviews, I have never seen on in the flesh let alone use one. I don't know how accurate the reported benchmarks are. I don't mind the look of the thing, I can't tell how easy it would be to open up and tweak. I don't know how quietely it runs. I'm still saving up for one though

06-27-2003, 06:35 PM	#8 (permalink)
adrik Upright Location: Spokane, WA	I think the new G5 is gonna rock the industry. Combined with OS X 10.3, it's gonna really be a powerful system. I agree 100% with terit, people who use macs, do so for a reason. Seems like anyone can have a computer these days. For what most people use them for, a mac probably isn't the best use of their money. Any cheap computer can surf the net, get/send email and type letters to mom & dad. Mac users stay loyal because they need the graphics/multimedia power offered by the mac. While it's true that there isn't as much software out there for the mac as there is for Windows, an argument could also be made regarding how many different word processors do you need, how many email apps, etc. The apps that are available for the mac (mostly) are just as powerful as their Windows counterparts and, let's face it, they're MUCH prettier. :-) Anyway, the combination of the G5 and Panther will be a winning one for Apple. One last little side note regarding the price, the top-end G4 was introduced at about $3500 while the top-end G5 is down to $3000. Still out of my price range but it is a bit cheaper.

06-27-2003, 06:57 PM	#9 (permalink)
iamii Crazy	If I had the money I would definetly spend it on this machine. Would be awesome for graphics design.

06-27-2003, 11:24 PM	#11 (permalink)
MacGnG Know Where!	i like it better than the g4!, it's much more simplistic looking and like streamlinned and smoooooooooth

06-28-2003, 03:29 AM	#12 (permalink)
spcae maggot Upright	They look pretty interesting, but I'm gonna wait til IBM releases some blade's with 970's and see if I can get OSX on that(hopefully they'll be a lot cheaper).

06-28-2003, 05:42 AM	#14 (permalink)
bodypainter Psycho Location: Sarasota	It looks okay to me but that matters not to me since our CPU's are behind a door tucked into our desks. I will be wonderful to have Apple back in the performance race. That they are or aren't the fastest isn't important so long as they're at least in the race. I'll have one by the end of the year. I've been sticking with my old G4/400, waiting for the next gen. The wait is almost over!

06-28-2003, 10:11 AM	#15 (permalink)
brandon11983 Stereophonic Location: Chitown!!	zzzzzz........ Mac's suck. I would buy one so I could gut the case and make a PC out of it. That would be the shit. __________________ Well behaved women rarely make history.

06-28-2003, 12:07 PM	#16 (permalink)
bodypainter Psycho Location: Sarasota	Ah come on - aren't you interested in seeing what Windows and Wintel machines will look like 3 or 5 years from now?

06-28-2003, 01:09 PM	#17 (permalink)
AxelF Crazy Location: Europe	Well, maybe I wish i was a really gifted graphics artist, then I could want one of these. And spend my life drawing on it all day. That could be cool. But I'm just a guy who spends my life designing insurance systems and makes it glorious by surfing, gaming and building my own rigs. Guess I'll have to stick with the wintel stuff. Hence I don't care what the fruit guys do. __________________ Coffee

06-28-2003, 05:34 PM	#18 (permalink)
bermuDa don't ignore this--> Location: CA	too bad Apple has to manipulate their numbers to beat out PC platforms, and ommitted Opterons from their tests cause even with the special fast malloc library they ran on the G5 (and not the PCs) they couldn't come close to the Opteron results. Lies and More Damn Lies From Apple haha and they disabled hyperthreading on the multi-processor intel systems! what a joke. Funny thing is there are a few people that will still jump on the G5 like it was the last chopper out of saigon. __________________ I am the very model of a moderator gentleman. Last edited by bermuDa; 06-28-2003 at 05:38 PM..

06-28-2003, 05:58 PM	#19 (permalink)
drawerfixer Stonerific Location: Colorado	I'd like to find a benchmark testing that isn't designed to show off the premiered computer. I've read points and counterpoints regarding this scenario... I'm going to reserve judgement until I test one. Before then, I'll refrain. __________________ They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin

06-28-2003, 09:05 PM	#20 (permalink)
sixate Registered User Location: Somewhere in Ohio	bermuDa, great link. I find it funny that a Mac user has serious issues with how Applle claims that the new G5 is faster than any PC. After reading that link I think Apple is a fucking joke.

06-29-2003, 11:13 AM	#23 (permalink)
drawerfixer Stonerific Location: Colorado	I know this is pretty pointless, as we are all pretty set in our ideas and thoughts, but you can find articles that rip the "Lies and More Damn Lies From Apple" article apart point by point. I think we all just look for articles or facts which agree with our presumptions... Or maybe I'm wrong and the G5 sucks. Heh. __________________ They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin

06-29-2003, 05:32 PM	#24 (permalink)
Realizm Insane Location: A fuzzy cloud.	You Windows users don't have Expose. Sorry. :-(

06-30-2003, 12:27 PM	#25 (permalink)
billcollins Tilted	Finally some decent speeds. I cant wait until it comes out with a few revisions come out and push the lower end ones in to my price range (with decent speeds). Id love to own one, but price/speed is way outta my league.

06-30-2003, 12:46 PM	#26 (permalink)
zer010gic Over caffeinated Location: One Step Closer to the Edge	Thats what I am saying I just can't wait to get one I want the dual 2 gig to come down in price. __________________ Zer010giC

07-23-2003, 08:50 AM	#27 (permalink)
amge Crazy	Just wait until OSx can run on the Intel. I have a beta copy of OSx on Intel. I think once people use the MacOS, they will like it a lot more then MS Winhosed XP. I have used a Mac since 1989 and still think it's better than a PC. Over the 14 years, I have only had to purchase a new Mac 3 times during that time. No need for any upgrades during that time. My PC on the other hand, over the past 10 years, I have rebuilt 7 times. Each OS upgrade, I would always have hardware that didn't work with the WIndows. Like my tape backup unit stopped working after Windows 2000. Both printer and scanned stopped working after Windows XP. The scsi card stopped working after Windows 2000. So hard ware wise I think I have spent more money on the PC than the Mac.

07-23-2003, 08:53 AM	#28 (permalink)
Vanquish Insane Location: Truro, Nova Scotia	I have seen some benchmarks, sorry forget the site, but teh Dual Xeon destroyed the G5, and the new Dual Opteron 280s destroyed the Xeon, So I think Apple will still be in there Media nitch of the industry, I think it will take more then a few new inovations like PCI-x comming out before the PC to change a few users opinions. Anyway, I am happy that it is comming out, the mac folks decserve decient speed.

07-23-2003, 09:19 AM	#30 (permalink)
Cynthetiq Tilted Cat Head Administrator Location: Manhattan, NY	I'm not into the processor clock cycles and gigaflop comparisons... but for me.. it's about TCO (total cost of ownership) while the Mac has less down time than the PC, and my have less of a learning curve (not really anymore with GUI) but Apple has a higher TCO because the parts are much more expensive to replace when they break. This is from Gartner Group studies. __________________ I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not. What's the best nation in the world? DO-NATION!

07-23-2003, 09:38 AM	#31 (permalink)
3zos Insane Location: USA	Its pretty hard to judge a computer before you can see bench marks on real applications. I don't see why people put so much faith in how well a processor does math.. All in all the g5 is a huge step up compaired the the G4, plus, apple is constantly updating their OS where as microsoft seems to be taking forever to get the next tiny revision out the door. if you ask me, the next two years could be very good for apple. __________________ S U C C E S S some people dream of success, while other people live to crush those dreams

07-23-2003, 11:11 AM	#33 (permalink)
3zos Insane Location: USA	apples are the bomb... anybody who says otherwise is poor.... hehe really, apple is probably still selling their computers for cheep. being taht they are charging about 10x what you should be paying for memory upgrades, getting taht extra buck back from the stupid rich people... __________________ S U C C E S S some people dream of success, while other people live to crush those dreams

07-23-2003, 11:16 AM	#34 (permalink)
3zos Insane Location: USA	all i can say to the above comment is: stupid fucking designer types. 3zos # 1 [edit] to amend, i view apple incredulously simply because steve jobs knows very little about what hes talking about, yet shows no hesitation on constantly saying how great apple computers are, how theyre the fastest, the worlds first supercomputer, whatever other marketting bs he spews forth at every apple con every year, without fail. the specs on the G5's look good, but theres just so much "look at me im different and unique all you peecee users are hacks" attitude within the mac community that it generally turns me off. __________________ S U C C E S S some people dream of success, while other people live to crush those dreams Last edited by 3zos; 07-23-2003 at 11:19 AM..

07-23-2003, 12:47 PM	#38 (permalink)
bermuDa don't ignore this--> Location: CA	just because floppy's are being phased out doesn't mean apple should be given credit for this "innovation". In fact it was a huge pain in the ass back when they started omitting FDD's from their computers, because people were STILL USING THEM. If you needed a floppy drive for your mac, you had to go out and spend 40 bucks for an external drive. it wasn't innovative, it was obnoxious. And Aluminum cases have been on the market for years, apple didn't invent (or even popularize) silver/titanium/chrome colored pcs. how about stealthed drives? apple didn't invent those either... and I haven't seen any pc cases with a similar design to the g4/g5 cases. __________________ I am the very model of a moderator gentleman.

07-23-2003, 02:31 PM	#40 (permalink)
Vanquish Insane Location: Truro, Nova Scotia	I totally agree with amge. Apply was the first to include USB, Firewire, hell just about everything standard in there systems when only the very high end PCs could only get an expansion card that would do the same thing.