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trib767 · 06-29-2008, 12:52 AM

Well I bought a new drive this weekend so I could try and back up the DVD's that I only have on my hard drive. It's a Pioneer DVR-115D.

I find the reliability of burns very low. I guess it is probably the media so I will try to get some more.

Has anyone else dabbled with writing dual layer media ?

I am a Linux user and my tests were all on Linux (ubuntu).

Hain · 06-29-2008, 02:37 AM

I would recommend checking out ImgBurn. It is a windows app that the creator got to work successfully through Wine. He wrote a very long guide on how one goes about do that properly (starts off showing one how to install Ubuntu!).

ImgBurn through Windows is only as good as the medium. I rarely have had discs errors go undetected, as I always verify what I've burned (a function in ImgBurn).

DaveOrion · 06-29-2008, 11:26 AM

You can check this site, they've done quite a few tests with a variety of media. Lots of info.......

http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/Revi...rticleId=22494

trib767 · 07-01-2008, 11:16 PM

Thanks for the info. I tried ImgBurn and I have burnt a disk at 2.4x. It looks good and verified ok too. I tried it in a normal player. it didn't work. I took it out and replaced it and it worked. However it got stuck about 40 minutes in but a quick rewind of a few seconds and then it worked. I still haven't played it through - that will have to wait until tonight!

I don't know if there are any experts here, but the major difference between cdrecord and ImgBurg is that the latter goes through a phase of setting up the layer transition point. With cdrecord I did not do this - I gust burned a big iso onto the disk and let cdrecord handle the transition.

My feeling is that my problems are due to crap media. I have Infiniti branded 8x discs. DaveOrion's link showed this media to be not very good (RICOHJPN D00 001). I'll get some Verbatim and see if it's better. The word on the 'net is that only Verbatim will do, so we'll see.

Even my test above does work, I don't feel comfortable relying on this "cheaper" media.

If anyone there's in the UK - I wonder what Trading Standards would make of these cheaper discs being sold as clearly they don't work. Would they accept that they were "Not Fit For Purpose".

DaveOrion · 07-02-2008, 02:22 AM

You should definitely get the highest quality disc that will work in your burner. Although there are claims that these discs will last 100 years some of mine have degraded after 5, they were cheaper discs so the higher quality discs may last 20. It may not be enough to just verify the data on your disc, you may want to look into an app, or similar, in Nero called CD/DVD Speed. Under that app is another called Disc Quality, you insert the disc you've just burned and it will give you a qualty score from 0 to 100 and show all PIE and PIF errors on your disc. This is basically the way testing is done on media from the site I mentioned above, so they've done alot of this for you. If you get a crappy burn (you can verify the disc & it will play but still get a low quality burn) you can try altering the speed of the burn. I recently got some 8x-R discs that burned much better at 4x speed, 8x worked & would play but 4x had a much higher quality rating with less errors. Just an example.......Good Luck.

There is a firmware update available for this burner, just make double sure that its the correct one for your burner!

Quote:

Before proceeding with your driver installation we suggest you make sure you are installing the latest version available and for the appropriate model/revision and Operating System. We strongly suggest following 'readme' instructions for installing drivers when available. Often restarting your system will be necessary for the new driver to become active and start functioning properly.

http://www.techspot.com/drivers/driv...ormation/9985/

You may also want to check out several of the CD/DVD forums on the net.....

http://club.cdfreaks.com/f61/

http://forums.afterdawn.com/

Hain · 07-02-2008, 03:13 AM

Another thing to try out for verification is DVDisaster. There is no Linux version yet, I don't know if it or when it will be ported to Linux, but there is source code on the site and Linux.com has an article about using it- not about installing it.

trib767 · 07-03-2008, 02:34 PM

Well my 2.4x attempt is no good. Sometimes it will be recognised by a dvd player, sometimes it won't. If it is recognised then it does play but not for very long. I'm going to get some Verbatims at the weekend (if PC world sells them, otherwise it will be mail order next week).

I tried the Quality scan in Nero (DVDSpeed is now called DiscSpeed) but it would appear the Pioneer drive is not supported for quality scans. Oh well...

kutulu · 07-03-2008, 02:38 PM

I've never tried dual layer but I've also never had problems using cheap media. I usually buy whatever is cheapest and I never have problems. I copy DVD's using DVD Shrink and use Nero to burn the disc.

DaveOrion · 07-04-2008, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by trib767

Well my 2.4x attempt is no good. Sometimes it will be recognised by a dvd player, sometimes it won't. If it is recognised then it does play but not for very long. I'm going to get some Verbatims at the weekend (if PC world sells them, otherwise it will be mail order next week).

I tried the Quality scan in Nero (DVDSpeed is now called DiscSpeed) but it would appear the Pioneer drive is not supported for quality scans. Oh well...

Is the firmware updated???

This drive should be able to use Quality Scan since the the tests from the site were done with Nero. Hopefully some new media will help although the final thoughts from that site aren't very encouraging.......

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Summarizing the test results, we should mention that the CD error correction mechanisms of the drive proved to be mediocre, generating high levels of noise, some times audible. DVD error correction was good, successfully reading all of our defective discs. However, during error correction, the speed was some times decreased automatically, in order to increase correction efficiency.

As far as reading and writing speeds are concerned, the drive satisfied us, meeting its specifications. We were able to burn MCC 03RG20 , TYG03 , MCC 004 and YUDEN000T03 discs at 20X and some other at 18X. Also, all of our high speed DL discs were burned at 10X.

Moving on to the writing quality tests, we have to say that the Pioneer drive did not make quite a good impression. Only a few of the DVD+R/-R discs were burned flawlessly and the rest of them had many uncorrectable errors. Keep in mind, though, that the discs' readability was normal, with all of them being successfully read by the drive itself. On the other hand, CD-R/RW discs were burned accurately.

The support for overburning with DVD recordables is a plus while we would welcome any Pioneer's decision to offer booktype setting sometime in the future.

http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/Revi...2494&PageId=32

Hain · 07-04-2008, 09:41 AM

I am telling you folks, use ImgBurn. It will verify the ISO and ensure a bit identical copy of the data before it gives you an all clear. If you keep getting bad burns, you will know where to look.

If the verify is bad: it is the drive/firmware or discs. Update the firmware, try again.
Still getting bad burns, change the disc brand.
Still getting bad burns, it is the drive/firmware not working [in Linux].
Verify says OK, but disc doesn't play: your ISO creator is screwed up.

trib767 · 07-04-2008, 02:18 PM

Agree ImgBurn seems like the business; I wasn't clear above that my 2.4 burn was done with ImgBurn on Windows. My drive has the latest 1.18 firmware on it so I expect I am ok there. I know the Master image is ok because I've used it via MythTV. I found another tool called DVD Identifier that did a quality scan on the 2.4x burned disc that came out really bad (http://dvd.identifier.cdfreaks.com/).

Next step is better media (Verbatim).

06-29-2008, 12:52 AM	#1 (permalink)
trib767 Crazy Location: London, UK	Burning DVD+R Dual Layer Well I bought a new drive this weekend so I could try and back up the DVD's that I only have on my hard drive. It's a Pioneer DVR-115D. I find the reliability of burns very low. I guess it is probably the media so I will try to get some more. Has anyone else dabbled with writing dual layer media ? I am a Linux user and my tests were all on Linux (ubuntu).

06-29-2008, 02:37 AM	#2 (permalink)
Hain has a plan Location: middle of Whywouldanyonebethere	I would recommend checking out ImgBurn. It is a windows app that the creator got to work successfully through Wine. He wrote a very long guide on how one goes about do that properly (starts off showing one how to install Ubuntu!). ImgBurn through Windows is only as good as the medium. I rarely have had discs errors go undetected, as I always verify what I've burned (a function in ImgBurn). __________________ ////\\// IRONSKY.NET \\//\\\\

06-29-2008, 11:26 AM	#3 (permalink)
DaveOrion Playing With Fire Location: Disaster Area	You can check this site, they've done quite a few tests with a variety of media. Lots of info....... http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/Revi...rticleId=22494 __________________ *Syriana*...have you ever tried liquid MDMA?....Liquid MDMA? No....Arash, when you wanna do this?.....After prayer...

07-02-2008, 03:13 AM	#6 (permalink)
Hain has a plan Location: middle of Whywouldanyonebethere	Another thing to try out for verification is DVDisaster. There is no Linux version yet, I don't know if it or when it will be ported to Linux, but there is source code on the site and Linux.com has an article about using it- not about installing it. __________________ ////\\// IRONSKY.NET \\//\\\\

07-03-2008, 02:38 PM	#8 (permalink)
kutulu Junkie	I've never tried dual layer but I've also never had problems using cheap media. I usually buy whatever is cheapest and I never have problems. I copy DVD's using DVD Shrink and use Nero to burn the disc. Last edited by kutulu; 07-03-2008 at 02:48 PM..

07-01-2008, 11:16 PM	#4 (permalink)
trib767 Crazy Location: London, UK	Thanks for the info. I tried ImgBurn and I have burnt a disk at 2.4x. It looks good and verified ok too. I tried it in a normal player. it didn't work. I took it out and replaced it and it worked. However it got stuck about 40 minutes in but a quick rewind of a few seconds and then it worked. I still haven't played it through - that will have to wait until tonight! I don't know if there are any experts here, but the major difference between cdrecord and ImgBurg is that the latter goes through a phase of setting up the layer transition point. With cdrecord I did not do this - I gust burned a big iso onto the disk and let cdrecord handle the transition. My feeling is that my problems are due to crap media. I have Infiniti branded 8x discs. DaveOrion's link showed this media to be not very good (RICOHJPN D00 001). I'll get some Verbatim and see if it's better. The word on the 'net is that only Verbatim will do, so we'll see. Even my test above does work, I don't feel comfortable relying on this "cheaper" media. If anyone there's in the UK - I wonder what Trading Standards would make of these cheaper discs being sold as clearly they don't work. Would they accept that they were "Not Fit For Purpose".

07-03-2008, 02:34 PM	#7 (permalink)
trib767 Crazy Location: London, UK	Well my 2.4x attempt is no good. Sometimes it will be recognised by a dvd player, sometimes it won't. If it is recognised then it does play but not for very long. I'm going to get some Verbatims at the weekend (if PC world sells them, otherwise it will be mail order next week). I tried the Quality scan in Nero (DVDSpeed is now called DiscSpeed) but it would appear the Pioneer drive is not supported for quality scans. Oh well...

07-04-2008, 09:41 AM	#10 (permalink)
Hain has a plan Location: middle of Whywouldanyonebethere	I am telling you folks, use ImgBurn. It will verify the ISO and ensure a bit identical copy of the data before it gives you an all clear. If you keep getting bad burns, you will know where to look. If the verify is bad: it is the drive/firmware or discs. Update the firmware, try again. Still getting bad burns, change the disc brand. Still getting bad burns, it is the drive/firmware not working [in Linux]. Verify says OK, but disc doesn't play: your ISO creator is screwed up. __________________ ////\\// IRONSKY.NET \\//\\\\

07-04-2008, 02:18 PM	#11 (permalink)
trib767 Crazy Location: London, UK	Agree ImgBurn seems like the business; I wasn't clear above that my 2.4 burn was done with ImgBurn on Windows. My drive has the latest 1.18 firmware on it so I expect I am ok there. I know the Master image is ok because I've used it via MythTV. I found another tool called DVD Identifier that did a quality scan on the 2.4x burned disc that came out really bad (http://dvd.identifier.cdfreaks.com/). Next step is better media (Verbatim).