Help with IPod, Itunes and a system crash! - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

DonnieBoy · 02-18-2008, 07:02 PM

I need some help please.

My computer crashed last week and I had to reinstall windows. After reinstalling i-tunes I went to connect my ipod to transfer all the songs and low and behold... IT WON't LET ME! Now I have 2k+ songs on my Ipod and I can't add them to my itunes library and I can't add any more songs untill I sync with the itunes library...

Is there an easy way to transfer these songs? Is there some way apple allows to do this that I just am not getting? I've looked in Itunes everywhere but this just baffles me?

Any help would be appreciated I realllly don't feel like importing all those CD's again. BLAH

Don

PonyPotato · 02-18-2008, 07:13 PM

Should have tried a search first.

http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthread.php?t=129900

Baraka_Guru · 02-18-2008, 07:15 PM

http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthr...ghlight=senuti

I use Senuti, but it's for mac. This thread will help you if you have PC maybe.

EDIT: Quick draw time, merleniau. Nice.

PonyPotato · 02-18-2008, 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baraka_Guru

EDIT: Quick draw time, merleniau. Nice.

Like lightning.

DonnieBoy · 02-18-2008, 07:46 PM

thanks... I did a search but didn't want to try anything "illegal" I wanted to know if Apple has a legal way to do this... I don't like getting in and messing with settings and all that. With my kinda luck I would f-up my ipod.

I just can't believe Apple doesnt have an answer for this.

Don

snowy · 02-18-2008, 07:48 PM

Shani's suggestion in the other thread won't fuck up your iPod. I know, because I personally used it to transfer music from my iPod to a new(er) computer I have that isn't the computer I sync my iPod to. Furthermore, there's nothing illegal about it--you're merely making hidden files accessible.

Baraka_Guru · 02-18-2008, 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonnieBoy

I just can't believe Apple doesnt have an answer for this.

Neither can we. They don't allow transfers from iPods to iTunes in hopes that you won't "steal" music from an iPod if you don't own it or the music. (i.e. They don't trust their users to obey the law.)

I wouldn't worry about the music being transferred from your iPod with a third-party program (of which there are many) if you are, in fact, a licensed user. It's not illegal to use these programs. Winamp does this by default, for example. I'm sure Apple would have buried those guys if it were illegal.

ubertuber · 02-18-2008, 10:13 PM

Maybe it's because Apple is aware that they are very easy to sue and they require some sort of goodwill from the recording industry.

It's probably one of those things where it's easier to let the grey market fill the void and offload the risk (and strain on relationships when it comes to contract-negotiation time).

Anyway, these guys have solid advice. Google will definitely know the answer to this one.

Hain · 02-19-2008, 12:00 AM

I don't know if it would be able to go around your problem, but I always recommend MediaMonkey [for Windows] if one likes iTunes.
Before making a switch read these articles:

Tracks from the iTunes store don't play on my iPod

Quoted from "Tracks from the iTunes store don't play on my iPod" click to show
Tracks that are purchased from the iTunes store are often protected

with DRM (digital rights management) protection that limits the tracks

ability to be played, copied, or converted. Such tracks are usually

.m4p and sometimes .m4b files.

MediaMonkey can sync such files to an iPod, however, for the iPod to

be able to play the tracks, the iPod must first be 'registered' to the

copy of iTunes that has rights to the tracks. This 'registration' can

occur either:

1) When the iPod is connected to the PC for the first time while iTunes

is running

2) When iTunes is used to sync protected content to the device

The second option is easiest in most cases:

1) Run iTunes

2) Plug in your device (make sure that iTunes is configured to NOT

sync automatically)

3) Drag and drop a DRM-protected track from the iTunes library to

the device

3) Close iTunes

Any iTunes DRMed tracks subsequently synced with MediaMonkey

should play successfully on the iPod.
Playing M4A, M4P, M4B (AAC) Tracks

Quoted from "Playing M4A, M4P, M4B (AAC) Tracks" click to show
MediaMonkey 3.x supports AAC files if Quicktime is installed, though AAC encoding must be

purchased as a separate option. It will play, tag, and analyze all AAC audio files, and convert

all AAC tracks that don't have DRM. AAC playback in MediaMonkey 3 can fail if you've

performed an upgrade from MediaMonkey 2.x to MediaMonkey 3.x, and the AAC plugins

installed for MediaMonkey 2.x have not been removed--these may interfere with the native

AAC plugins included with MediaMonkey 3.x.

MediaMonkey 2.5 does not include AAC support at all, though playback support can be added

through the use of third-party plug-ins. This support is available using the following plug-ins:

1. MP4 input plugin. This supports unprotected .m4a and .mp4 files and can be downloaded from:

http://www.free-codecs.com/download/...for_Winamp.htm

2. Winamp MP3/MP4 input plug-ins. The MP4 plugin supports unprotected .m4a and .mp4 files

and is included with Winamp 5 and can be copied to the MediaMonkey plug-ins directory

(both libmp4v2.dll and in_mp4.dll must be copied). The MP3 plug-in supports AAC files.

One of our users has conveniently hosted these files at:

http://home.tiscali.be/ruben.castele...ore/in_mp3.dll

http://home.scarlet.be/

http://home.tiscali.be/ruben.castele...ore/in_mp4.dll

3. M4P input plugin. This supports protected iTunes content and can be downloaded from:

http://www.free-codecs.com/download/...for_Winamp.htm

Personally I recommend FooBar2000 [for Windows]but that is a bit too much for some... boohoo.

_________________

Are your songs DRM'ed (copy protected)?

If not, for all operating systems:

Current Builds
Never deal with iTunes again.

Will Rockbox be able to play songs I've bought from on-line music stores?

Quoted from GeneralFAQ < Main < [Rockbox click to show
Wiki]
No. It is highly unlikely that Rockbox will ever support playback of DRM encrypted audio files.

One possible option to remove DRM 'protection' is to burn the tracks to a CDR(W) and then re-rip them back into standard MP3/Ogg/etc. files using your computer. Please note that this may have legal ramifications in some jurisdictions. The Rockbox developers and community will not assist in removing DRM or in using the resulting files. If you choose to do this you are on your own.

__________________

//Off topic//
Just for clarification, yes, yes I do hate the iPod, iTunes, and just about everything Macintosh related.

Crack · 02-19-2008, 06:52 AM

The only thing I can add is that 64bit windows XP and the later versions of itunes are like mortal enemies! Just to be able to sync songs to my shuffle I had to modify the damn install file with orca and tell it that 64bit was okay to install to. Now, if I had 64bit vista, it would work just fine, but not windows xp... what a load of crap. Itunes is a pos anyways.

Hain · 02-19-2008, 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crack

Itunes is a pos anyways.

QFT x10!

That's 10! (factorial) = 3628800
What's so great about a media player that doesn't
have a genuine now playing list anyways?

Bonzo · 02-19-2008, 07:58 AM

Try PodUtil, it'll transfer all of the songs from your iPod to your computer. It's free and it's pretty easy to use.

ubertuber · 02-19-2008, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crack

The only thing I can add is that 64bit windows XP and the later versions of itunes are like mortal enemies! Just to be able to sync songs to my shuffle I had to modify the damn install file with orca and tell it that 64bit was okay to install to. Now, if I had 64bit vista, it would work just fine, but not windows xp... what a load of crap. Itunes is a pos anyways.

Actually, that reminds me of something: there's no problem with iTunes and 64-bit version -- just download the correct one from the apple site. But check your browser first. Apparently some (most?) versions of firefox are unable to handle the 64 bitness and automatically truncate down to 32 bits without telling you. Because of this, the installation of iTunes will give all kinds of strange behavior. Download again and install using a browser that can handle 64 bits and you'll be good to go.

I can't imagine how frustrated someone had to be to figure that one out.

Hain · 02-19-2008, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ubertuber

Actually, that reminds me of something: there's no problem with iTunes and 64-bit version -- just download the correct one from the apple site. But check your browser first. Apparently some (most?) versions of firefox are unable to handle the 64 bitness and automatically truncate down to 32 bits without telling you. Because of this, the installation of iTunes will give all kinds of strange behavior. Download again and install using a browser that can handle 64 bits and you'll be good to go.

I can't imagine how frustrated someone had to be to figure that one out.

I am sure it is easy to find articles once one knows the proper search string for Google...

?

ubertuber · 02-20-2008, 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Augi

I am sure it is easy to find articles once one knows the proper search string for Google...

?

I meant the Apple guys who figured it out and wrote the article.

DonnieBoy · 02-20-2008, 04:08 PM

Thanks for the help guys, I am going to try and follow this guide http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/art...d-to-computer/ we'll see how it goes, I just tend to always screw something up.

DonnieBoy · 02-27-2008, 05:24 PM

Well I transfered all my music back to Itunes... no i just gotta hook up ipod and see if it worked right... but im sure it will the songs seem to play alright from Itunes

Cynthetiq · 02-28-2008, 02:11 AM

floola.com

I just discovered this freeware app the other day.

It doesn't need to install and can copy to and from your PC and multiple PCs.

works in Linux, Mac, and PC.

Quote:

Floola supports all common used iPod features including artwork, podcasts and smart playlists! It's also able to convert audio or video incompatible with the iPod so that you can copy almost any file to it. It even allows adding youtube and myspace videos just entering the page url!

Take a look at the feature list to find out what it can do and feel free to suggest anything that might be missing.

DonnieBoy · 03-19-2008, 03:35 PM

Well got my ipod all back to normal thanks for the help everyone... now i can listen to all my bon jovi records without changing a single CD!!!

DB

Redlemon · 03-20-2008, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DonnieBoy

Well got my ipod all back to normal thanks for the help everyone... now i can listen to all my bon jovi records without changing a single CD!!!

DB

Perhaps we should take that advice back then...

Just for that, I give you: Moped - Livin On a Prayer.

Cynthetiq · 03-20-2008, 11:45 AM

thanks I see your Moped -Living on a Prayer ... I raise you one Moped - Sweet Child O Mine.

DonnieBoy · 03-23-2008, 02:55 AM

02-18-2008, 07:02 PM	#1 (permalink)
DonnieBoy Insane	Help with IPod, Itunes and a system crash! I need some help please. My computer crashed last week and I had to reinstall windows. After reinstalling i-tunes I went to connect my ipod to transfer all the songs and low and behold... IT WON't LET ME! Now I have 2k+ songs on my Ipod and I can't add them to my itunes library and I can't add any more songs untill I sync with the itunes library... Is there an easy way to transfer these songs? Is there some way apple allows to do this that I just am not getting? I've looked in Itunes everywhere but this just baffles me? Any help would be appreciated I realllly don't feel like importing all those CD's again. BLAH Don

02-18-2008, 07:13 PM	#2 (permalink)
PonyPotato Soaring Location: Ohio!	Should have tried a search first. http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthread.php?t=129900 __________________ "Without passion man is a mere latent force and possibility, like the flint which awaits the shock of the iron before it can give forth its spark." — Henri-Frédéric Amiel

02-18-2008, 07:15 PM	#3 (permalink)
Baraka_Guru warrior bodhisattva Super Moderator Location: East-central Canada	http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthr...ghlight=senuti I use Senuti, but it's for mac. This thread will help you if you have PC maybe. EDIT: Quick draw time, merleniau. Nice. __________________ Knowing that death is certain and that the time of death is uncertain, what's the most important thing? —Bhikkhuni Pema Chödrön Humankind cannot bear very much reality. —From "Burnt Norton," Four Quartets (1936), T. S. Eliot

02-18-2008, 07:48 PM	#6 (permalink)
snowy Kick Ass Kunoichi Location: Oregon	Shani's suggestion in the other thread won't fuck up your iPod. I know, because I personally used it to transfer music from my iPod to a new(er) computer I have that isn't the computer I sync my iPod to. Furthermore, there's nothing illegal about it--you're merely making hidden files accessible. __________________ If I am not better, at least I am different. --Jean-Jacques Rousseau

02-18-2008, 10:13 PM	#8 (permalink)
ubertuber spudly Location: Ellay	Maybe it's because Apple is aware that they are very easy to sue and they require some sort of goodwill from the recording industry. It's probably one of those things where it's easier to let the grey market fill the void and offload the risk (and strain on relationships when it comes to contract-negotiation time). Anyway, these guys have solid advice. Google will definitely know the answer to this one. __________________ Cogito ergo spud -- I think, therefore I yam

02-18-2008, 07:46 PM	#5 (permalink)
DonnieBoy Insane	thanks... I did a search but didn't want to try anything "illegal" I wanted to know if Apple has a legal way to do this... I don't like getting in and messing with settings and all that. With my kinda luck I would f-up my ipod. I just can't believe Apple doesnt have an answer for this. Don

02-19-2008, 12:00 AM	#9 (permalink)
Hain has a plan Location: middle of Whywouldanyonebethere	I don't know if it would be able to go around your problem, but I always recommend MediaMonkey [for Windows] if one likes iTunes. Before making a switch read these articles: Tracks from the iTunes store don't play on my iPod Quoted from "Tracks from the iTunes store don't play on my iPod" click to show Tracks that are purchased from the iTunes store are often protected with DRM (digital rights management) protection that limits the tracks ability to be played, copied, or converted. Such tracks are usually .m4p and sometimes .m4b files. MediaMonkey can sync such files to an iPod, however, for the iPod to be able to play the tracks, the iPod must first be 'registered' to the copy of iTunes that has rights to the tracks. This 'registration' can occur either: 1) When the iPod is connected to the PC for the first time while iTunes is running 2) When iTunes is used to sync protected content to the device The second option is easiest in most cases: 1) Run iTunes 2) Plug in your device (make sure that iTunes is configured to NOT sync automatically) 3) Drag and drop a DRM-protected track from the iTunes library to the device 3) Close iTunes Any iTunes DRMed tracks subsequently synced with MediaMonkey should play successfully on the iPod. Playing M4A, M4P, M4B (AAC) Tracks Quoted from "Playing M4A, M4P, M4B (AAC) Tracks" click to show MediaMonkey 3.x supports AAC files if Quicktime is installed, though AAC encoding must be purchased as a separate option. It will play, tag, and analyze all AAC audio files, and convert all AAC tracks that don't have DRM. AAC playback in MediaMonkey 3 can fail if you've performed an upgrade from MediaMonkey 2.x to MediaMonkey 3.x, and the AAC plugins installed for MediaMonkey 2.x have not been removed--these may interfere with the native AAC plugins included with MediaMonkey 3.x. MediaMonkey 2.5 does not include AAC support at all, though playback support can be added through the use of third-party plug-ins. This support is available using the following plug-ins: 1. MP4 input plugin. This supports unprotected .m4a and .mp4 files and can be downloaded from: http://www.free-codecs.com/download/...for_Winamp.htm 2. Winamp MP3/MP4 input plug-ins. The MP4 plugin supports unprotected .m4a and .mp4 files and is included with Winamp 5 and can be copied to the MediaMonkey plug-ins directory (both libmp4v2.dll and in_mp4.dll must be copied). The MP3 plug-in supports AAC files. One of our users has conveniently hosted these files at: http://home.tiscali.be/ruben.castele...ore/in_mp3.dll http://home.scarlet.be/ http://home.tiscali.be/ruben.castele...ore/in_mp4.dll 3. M4P input plugin. This supports protected iTunes content and can be downloaded from: http://www.free-codecs.com/download/...for_Winamp.htm Personally I recommend FooBar2000 [for Windows]but that is a bit too much for some... boohoo. _________________ Are your songs DRM'ed (copy protected)? If not, for all operating systems: *Current Builds* Never deal with iTunes again. Will Rockbox be able to play songs I've bought from on-line music stores? Quoted from GeneralFAQ < Main < [Rockbox click to show Wiki] No. It is highly unlikely that Rockbox will ever support playback of DRM encrypted audio files. One possible option to remove DRM 'protection' is to burn the tracks to a CDR(W) and then re-rip them back into standard MP3/Ogg/etc. files using your computer. Please note that this may have legal ramifications in some jurisdictions. The Rockbox developers and community will not assist in removing DRM or in using the resulting files. If you choose to do this you are on your own. __________________ //Off topic// Just for clarification, yes, yes I do hate the iPod, iTunes, and just about everything Macintosh related. Last edited by Hain; 02-19-2008 at 12:30 AM.. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

02-19-2008, 06:52 AM	#10 (permalink)
Crack Misanthropic Location: Ohio! yay!	The only thing I can add is that 64bit windows XP and the later versions of itunes are like mortal enemies! Just to be able to sync songs to my shuffle I had to modify the damn install file with orca and tell it that 64bit was okay to install to. Now, if I had 64bit vista, it would work just fine, but not windows xp... what a load of crap. Itunes is a pos anyways. __________________ Crack, you and I are long overdue for a vicious bout of mansex. ~Halx

02-19-2008, 07:58 AM	#12 (permalink)
Bonzo Upright	Try PodUtil, it'll transfer all of the songs from your iPod to your computer. It's free and it's pretty easy to use.

02-20-2008, 04:08 PM	#16 (permalink)
DonnieBoy Insane	Thanks for the help guys, I am going to try and follow this guide http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/art...d-to-computer/ we'll see how it goes, I just tend to always screw something up.

02-27-2008, 05:24 PM	#17 (permalink)
DonnieBoy Insane	Well I transfered all my music back to Itunes... no i just gotta hook up ipod and see if it worked right... but im sure it will the songs seem to play alright from Itunes

03-19-2008, 03:35 PM	#19 (permalink)
DonnieBoy Insane	Well got my ipod all back to normal thanks for the help everyone... now i can listen to all my bon jovi records without changing a single CD!!! DB

03-20-2008, 11:45 AM	#21 (permalink)
Cynthetiq Tilted Cat Head Administrator Location: Manhattan, NY	thanks I see your Moped -Living on a Prayer ... I raise you one Moped - Sweet Child O Mine. __________________ I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, Independent, driver, pedestrian, or bicyclist, either you're an asshole or you're not. What's the best nation in the world? DO-NATION!

03-23-2008, 02:55 AM	#22 (permalink)
DonnieBoy Insane	heh