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cheerios · 06-20-2003, 09:17 AM

So, it appears from what little I've read (you know how Apple legal is), that WWDC will hail hte announcement of new G5's!

Someone, being the brilliant person that they are, accidentally uploaded one of the images early. here's the text:

1.6GHz, 1.8GHz, or Dual 2GHz PowerPC G5 Processors
Up to 1 GHz processor bus
Up to 8GB of DDR SDRAM
Fast Serial ATA hard drives
AGP 8x Pro3 PCI or PCI-X expansion slots
One FW800, two FW400 ports
Bluetooth & Airport Extreme ready
Optical and analog audio in and out

Anyone saving up for a new plaything?

(info care of Severed Hand of Skywalker of MacNN. Thanks SWG!)

here's a piccie

06-20-2003, 12:10 PM

I am definitely saving up for one of these toys! In fact, I have always been saving up just in case something like these flash in to my eyes!

Good job, Apple!

Antagony · 06-20-2003, 02:17 PM

Top Reason Not to Buy a Mac:

Just look at the prices in that screenshot

madsenj37 · 06-20-2003, 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Antagony
Top Reason Not to Buy a Mac:

Just look at the prices in that screenshot

If you have no problems with what you buy, then price is worth it. Apple customers pay for exteme quality, service and support. Low end apple systems, especially laptops are comparable to all manufacturers. Apple is comparable with Dell and IBM in price. You get what you pay for and most mac owners appreciate what they get. Can you say the same for PC owners using windows?

Plus the first batch of all new processors for any system are always more expensive. Check out the price on Intels higher chips.

juanvaldes · 06-20-2003, 08:00 PM

Please keep it on topic. If you want to discuss the price start a new thread.

This is about Apples fuck up showing the new systems that will be announced monday.

Loud_TIGER · 06-20-2003, 10:40 PM

G5s alreadY?!

MacGnG · 06-20-2003, 11:28 PM

YES!! nothing i can afford!
cool, cool!!

cheerios · 06-20-2003, 11:30 PM

please note prices listed are current G4 prices, NOT new G5 prices. those are currently unknown.

juanvaldes · 06-21-2003, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Loud_TIGER
G5s alreadY?!

G4 is 4 years old, and is already clocked 40% higher then ever intended.

The_Dude · 06-21-2003, 04:23 PM

i have a question.

it says runs 1.6 w/ dual processors.

does that mean it runs 800mhz w/ one processor?

juanvaldes · 06-21-2003, 04:47 PM

no, it is 1.6Ghz single, 1.8Ghz Single and 2Ghz dual. Although it's not offical yet the CPU is likely the IBM PowerPC 970.

bodypainter · 06-21-2003, 04:48 PM

No, a dual 1.6 would be two 1.6 processors (although I didn't see that bit - only saw dual 2's).

My wife has a dual 867 G4 and it's pretty sweet. OS X takes very good advantage of dualies.

The_Dude · 06-21-2003, 05:39 PM

Quote:

No, a dual 1.6 would be two 1.6 processors (although I didn't see that bit - only saw dual 2's).

My wife has a dual 867 G4 and it's pretty sweet. OS X takes very good advantage of dualies.

so, it basically runs at 3.2 ghz?

madsenj37 · 06-21-2003, 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The_Dude
so, it basically runs at 3.2 ghz?

Yep, and thats comparable to Itanium 2, not pentium 4. Its gonna be 64 bit processing. Apple will be back in the speed race while owning the quality race.

The_Dude · 06-21-2003, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by madsenj37
Yep, and thats comparable to Itanium 2, not pentium 4. Its gonna be 64 bit processing. Apple will be back in the speed race while owning the quality race.

how??

if i put 2 athlon xp's together, i can get 6ghz or more worth of processing power (64bit amd's that is)

madsenj37 · 06-21-2003, 06:21 PM

I was simply saying that comparing mhz on a 32 bit chip vs a 64 bit chip is not a good comparison. Yes you can get 6 mhz out of your two processors and they will be faster at some tasks, I will not deny that.

juanvaldes · 06-21-2003, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The_Dude
so, it basically runs at 3.2 ghz?

not quite, there is overhead associated with dual and up systems so you can't just add up the cycles and declare a winner (though cycles are not the end all be all of performance that has been built up around it.)

To give you a idea of this CPU's power.
IBM PPC 970:
SPECint2000
- 937 @ 1.8 GHz
SPECfp2000
- 1051 @ 1.8 GHz

Pentium IV @ 3.06 GHz:
SPECint2000
- 1032 @ 3.06 GHz
SPECfp2000
- 1092 @ 3.06 GHz

Nearly the same performance at half the cycles and this is rev A of the chip vs a much more refinded PIV.

philzilla · 06-22-2003, 06:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by The_Dude
how??

if i put 2 athlon xp's together, i can get 6ghz or more worth of processing power (64bit amd's that is)

okay. you go and do that. this is a thread about the new Apple stuff. not a thread about how cool your pc is

hulk · 06-22-2003, 07:38 AM

Sorry to carry on about this but the "Mhz myth" really comes into effect here - you guys didn't seem to notice the 1GHZ SYSTEM BUS!

philzilla · 06-22-2003, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by hulk
you guys didn't seem to notice the 1GHZ SYSTEM BUS!

they were too busy laughing about things they don't understand

bodypainter · 06-22-2003, 12:20 PM

The processor bus for the 970 will always be 1/2 of the processor speed. But, this is just the processor bus. There will be other busses (eg memory) connected to the processor bus that will run at different speeds.

MacGnG · 06-22-2003, 02:42 PM

any word on price cuts of older stuff like the flat panel imac?

wakelagger · 06-22-2003, 07:42 PM

Here's an analogy I use for dual processors
Dual processors are similar to highways. With a single processor its like having one truck obeying the speed limit. With dual processors, its like two trucks. They don't necessarily go faster than the speed limit, but they can move a lot more in a time period than a single truck (processor).
This is true, if its a dual lane highway (software usage of dual processors). If the software only uses the one processor, it is like a single lane high way; the two trucks can't run parallel to eachother. Therefore, the second processor is useless if the software doesn't use it.
Also, dualies aren't always good. Benchmarks have shown that Quake 3 with dual processors actually runs slower than a single processor of the same speed.
weird
Correct me if I'm wrong computer guru's

AmigoThree · 06-22-2003, 07:51 PM

About the quake 3 thing. It all depends on how fast your dual processors are. In the days of dual P2's quake 3 with SMP enabled was a big performance booster. But if you enable it with your new Xeons then you arent going to see a boost. And when people say decline, they mean going from like 200FPS to in the 150's.

pickledaddy · 06-22-2003, 10:23 PM

I bought the top-of-the-line 15" powerbook exactly 2 weeks before they announced the 12 and 17 in models. Grrrr.

spcae maggot · 06-22-2003, 11:40 PM

The Q3 thing has more to do with Intel's SMP archatecture(sp?), ie. shared memory bus. What sort of arch is the dual G5 using? NUMA?

Don't the 970's top out at about 42Watt's? That seems pretty low to me....

juanvaldes · 06-23-2003, 10:53 AM

It's official

denim · 06-23-2003, 10:57 AM

http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthr...threadid=13150

These systems sound sweet. Last I looked, a few minutes ago, the Apple store was off-line for updating.

Time to replace my 5-year old G3, I'd say.

06-20-2003, 09:17 AM	#1 (permalink)
cheerios Banned Location: 'bout 2 feet from my iMac	new toys from Apple So, it appears from what little I've read (you know how Apple legal is), that WWDC will hail hte announcement of new G5's! Someone, being the brilliant person that they are, accidentally uploaded one of the images early. here's the text: 1.6GHz, 1.8GHz, or Dual 2GHz PowerPC G5 Processors Up to 1 GHz processor bus Up to 8GB of DDR SDRAM Fast Serial ATA hard drives AGP 8x Pro3 PCI or PCI-X expansion slots One FW800, two FW400 ports Bluetooth & Airport Extreme ready Optical and analog audio in and out Anyone saving up for a new plaything? (info care of Severed Hand of Skywalker of MacNN. Thanks SWG!) here's a piccie Last edited by cheerios; 06-20-2003 at 09:28 AM..

06-20-2003, 12:10 PM	#2 (permalink)
CY@Workshop Guest	Definitely I am definitely saving up for one of these toys! In fact, I have always been saving up just in case something like these flash in to my eyes! Good job, Apple!

06-20-2003, 02:17 PM	#3 (permalink)
Antagony Psychopathic Akimbo Action Pirate Location: ...between Christ and Belial.	Top Reason Not to Buy a Mac: Just look at the prices in that screenshot __________________ On the outside I'm jazz, but my soul is rock and roll. Sleep is a waste of time. Join the Insomniac Club. "GYOH GWAH-DAH GREH BLAAA! SROH WIH DIH FLIH RYOHH!!" - The Locust

06-21-2003, 04:23 PM	#10 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	i have a question. it says runs 1.6 w/ dual processors. does that mean it runs 800mhz w/ one processor? __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

06-21-2003, 06:21 PM	#16 (permalink)
madsenj37 Still searching... Location: NorCal For Life	I was simply saying that comparing mhz on a 32 bit chip vs a 64 bit chip is not a good comparison. Yes you can get 6 mhz out of your two processors and they will be faster at some tasks, I will not deny that. __________________ "Only two things are certain: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not certain about the universe." -- Albert Einstein

06-20-2003, 08:00 PM	#5 (permalink)
juanvaldes Banned Location: shittown, CA	Please keep it on topic. If you want to discuss the price start a new thread. This is about Apples fuck up showing the new systems that will be announced monday.

06-20-2003, 10:40 PM	#6 (permalink)
Loud_TIGER Upright	G5s alreadY?!

06-20-2003, 11:28 PM	#7 (permalink)
MacGnG Know Where!	YES!! nothing i can afford! cool, cool!!

06-20-2003, 11:30 PM	#8 (permalink)
cheerios Banned Location: 'bout 2 feet from my iMac	please note prices listed are current G4 prices, NOT new G5 prices. those are currently unknown.

06-21-2003, 04:47 PM	#11 (permalink)
juanvaldes Banned Location: shittown, CA	no, it is 1.6Ghz single, 1.8Ghz Single and 2Ghz dual. Although it's not offical yet the CPU is likely the IBM PowerPC 970.

06-21-2003, 04:48 PM	#12 (permalink)
bodypainter Psycho Location: Sarasota	No, a dual 1.6 would be two 1.6 processors (although I didn't see that bit - only saw dual 2's). My wife has a dual 867 G4 and it's pretty sweet. OS X takes very good advantage of dualies.

06-22-2003, 07:38 AM	#19 (permalink)
hulk C'mon, just blow it. Location: Perth, Australia	Sorry to carry on about this but the "Mhz myth" really comes into effect here - you guys didn't seem to notice the 1GHZ SYSTEM BUS!

06-22-2003, 12:20 PM	#21 (permalink)
bodypainter Psycho Location: Sarasota	The processor bus for the 970 will always be 1/2 of the processor speed. But, this is just the processor bus. There will be other busses (eg memory) connected to the processor bus that will run at different speeds.

06-22-2003, 02:42 PM	#22 (permalink)
MacGnG Know Where!	any word on price cuts of older stuff like the flat panel imac? Last edited by MacGnG; 06-22-2003 at 08:33 PM..

06-22-2003, 07:42 PM	#23 (permalink)
wakelagger Insane Location: Toronto	Here's an analogy I use for dual processors Dual processors are similar to highways. With a single processor its like having one truck obeying the speed limit. With dual processors, its like two trucks. They don't necessarily go faster than the speed limit, but they can move a lot more in a time period than a single truck (processor). This is true, if its a dual lane highway (software usage of dual processors). If the software only uses the one processor, it is like a single lane high way; the two trucks can't run parallel to eachother. Therefore, the second processor is useless if the software doesn't use it. Also, dualies aren't always good. Benchmarks have shown that Quake 3 with dual processors actually runs slower than a single processor of the same speed. weird Correct me if I'm wrong computer guru's Last edited by wakelagger; 06-22-2003 at 07:44 PM..

06-22-2003, 07:51 PM	#24 (permalink)
AmigoThree Upright	About the quake 3 thing. It all depends on how fast your dual processors are. In the days of dual P2's quake 3 with SMP enabled was a big performance booster. But if you enable it with your new Xeons then you arent going to see a boost. And when people say decline, they mean going from like 200FPS to in the 150's.

06-22-2003, 10:23 PM	#25 (permalink)
pickledaddy Loser Location: TN	I bought the top-of-the-line 15" powerbook exactly 2 weeks before they announced the 12 and 17 in models. Grrrr.

06-22-2003, 11:40 PM	#26 (permalink)
spcae maggot Upright	The Q3 thing has more to do with Intel's SMP archatecture(sp?), ie. shared memory bus. What sort of arch is the dual G5 using? NUMA? Don't the 970's top out at about 42Watt's? That seems pretty low to me....

06-23-2003, 10:53 AM	#27 (permalink)
juanvaldes Banned Location: shittown, CA	It's official

06-23-2003, 10:57 AM	#28 (permalink)
denim Banned Location: Massachusetts, USA	http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthr...threadid=13150 These systems sound sweet. Last I looked, a few minutes ago, the Apple store was off-line for updating. Time to replace my 5-year old G3, I'd say. Last edited by denim; 06-23-2003 at 11:03 AM..