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Old 08-24-2007, 01:51 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Wireless setup trouble

I bought a laptop and am trying to make it so that I can share files between the desktop and the laptop, and also print from the laptop directly to the printer that's connected to the desktop.

I had a working LAN already with the printer sharing working fine.

Here is the setup:

A cable modem, connected to a linksys router, which has wifi enabled but also is connected via ethernet cable to the desktop PC (windows xp). The laptop (Vista) can connect to the wireless network just fine but cannot see the desktop and therefore use any of its resources. The router assigns IPs to both comps just fine w/ dhcp and both comps can get online. Just can't talk to each other for some reason.
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Old 08-24-2007, 02:42 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Make sure they are both on the same network, e.g.; MSHOME or whatnot. I'm not familiar with Vista, but with XP you just need to run the network setup wiz on both systems to check the network name. Then make sure that file and printer sharing is active on the disks, files, folders, etc. for the stuff you want to see on both computers.
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Old 08-27-2007, 07:57 AM   #3 (permalink)
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In Vista you simply right click the networking icon in the tray and choose the "network and sharing center" or some such nonsense. I'll check when I get home as the work PC uses XP.

It's kind of counter intuitive in some places, but with a little digging, you should find it fine. Ratman is right. The first step (since the router seems to be assigning IP addresses and they get on the internet just fine) is finding out if they are in the same workgroup or not and then working from there.
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Old 08-29-2007, 05:05 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I got the wireless connection working by enabling NetBios and disbaling lmhosts lookup.

However the connection won't stay up. Drops at least twice a day, and the only way to get it to reconnect is to reboot the laptop. That helps instantly, but is obviously inconvenient.

Here's part of the event log for when Vista tried to diagnose the problem:

Helper Class: Native WiFi MSM
Initialize status: Success
Interface type: Native WiFi
Connection mode: Infra
Security: Yes
Connect even if network is not broadcasting: No
Result of diagnosis: Problem found
Root cause:
This network is marked as a "hidden" network and is either not in range of this computer or the wireless settings saved on this computer do not match the settings of the network.

The WLAN is secured with WEP-Personal and the router also has MAC filtering enabled to only let the laptop through. The router is set to NOT broadcast, whatever that means. My wireless connection is set to try to connect even if the network isn't broadcasting, regardless of what Vista's diagnostic tool says.

I have no idea how to even begin troubleshooting this. Why would rebooting help? What does it change in the system?
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Old 08-30-2007, 12:12 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Wireless routers will broadcast what's called an SSID (service set identifier). It can get pretty technical, but for these purposes it's just the name of the wireless network you've set up.

What it means is that even if your sitting right next to the wireless router, chances are the network won't show up on your list of surrounding available networks because said wireless router isn't "broadcasting" it's identity to the general public.

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As it turns out, if you use the Microsoft Windows XP SP 1-based Wireless Zero Configuration service (my note: I imagine that Vista runs some updated variation/version of this service, right?)to manage your wireless (aka, the "built-in client"), you're probably running into a horrible bug that Microsoft calls "behavior by design." The gist of this is as follows: if your wireless network is set to not broadcast your SSID, Microsoft's wireless manager will periodically drop your non-broadcasting WiFi connection in response to the presence of a broadcasting SSID-based network. You won't fully associate with that network, but the service will pop-up and tell you that there are multiple wireless networks to join, even if you have removed all other networks from your preferred settings (this contradicts Microsoft's report, which says it only affects preferred networks). The upshot of this is that you, the user who changes his default SSID and then sets it to not broadcast (as most security guides, and most hardware setup guides will tell you to do), now gets dropped off your network when you neighbor shows up with his new D-Link wireless router and not only fails to change the SSID from default to something else, but does not turn off broadcasting, either. While many may debate the security benefits of disabling SSID broadcast, it is a practice that is recommended by most manufacturers of wireless products
My suggestion (and part of their solution as well) is to just enable SSID broadcasting on the router. Not broadcasting is a pretty weak way to secure a wireless network anyway and considering the problems you're having, I would think the tradeoff for convenience over security would be acceptable.

I'm not sure why rebooting helps, but I imagine that once the system boots up the connection with your router is established at once and then is dropped accordingly for whatever reason. I also imagine that if you were to try and use the network sharing diagnostic center...mess thingy that Vista offers you could conceivably jumpstart the connection as well, although that would require some experimentation on your part.
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Old 09-05-2007, 06:24 PM   #6 (permalink)
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