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Kaos · 07-31-2006, 09:39 AM

Very serious and sensitive matter.

Is there such a virus that can download porn (illegal porn) onto your computer without your knowledge.

Some friends of mine have just posed this question to me, as they have discovered some disturbing files on their shared computer with their flatmate.

Now, I have done a little reading where people have claimed that a virus that put images/picutes on their computer or you get pop-ups directing you to porn sites from spyware/malware, but my friends found full-length videos on the computer.

So, is there a virus that could download porn onto your computer without your knowledge, or allow someone to hijack your computer and download and hide the illegal porn?

Jinn · 07-31-2006, 09:56 AM

Yes. It can be done. A well-programmed virus can do anything (and everything) that a user could do by sitting in front of the computer. Most, however, cannot.

It's very unlikely, but it's possible. How "disturbing" are these? There's nothing wrong with full-length videos unless they're kiddie porn, bestiality, scat, snuff.. you get the picture.

But that's just me.

Dilbert1234567 · 07-31-2006, 09:57 AM

Yes, but its unlikely, scan the computer for viruses and see what comes up, then research each virus and see what it does. As for something that allows someone else control, that's called a Trojan, and yes they do exist, mainly for financial profit though, stealing credit cards and the like not for ruining people. Bottom line, it is possible, but unlikely. Pictures are more likely to be an accident they are small and move easily, how ever full length movies would be quite a feat. How big are the full length movies, are we talking 15 megs, 150 megs or 700 megs.

Redlemon · 07-31-2006, 10:02 AM

I just found one. Technical writeup here: Migmaf Reverse-Proxy Spam Trojan - LURHQ. Summary from ArsTechnica:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thanks to Migmaf, you could be serving porn (unintentionally, that is)

Hacking computers for spamming is nothing new, but the stakes are getting a little higher as a new scheme uses unsuspecting hosts to serve up porn. Essentially what we have are porn spammers who are hacking machines via a trojan app to host the actual porn for use in attracting new clients. They then earn money from referral fees. It's also said that this same scheme is being used to perpetuate PayPal scams. With a network of hacked machines, the criminals in question can rotate through the machines to make detection much more difficult, while spreading out the bandwidth hit to a level that's probably difficult to detect. Still, there's a flaw in the ring.

The current version of the ring is not completely anonymous, since the hijacked machines download the pornographic ads from a single Web server. According to the computer investigators, that machine apparently is owned by Everyones Internet, a large independent Internet service company in Houston that also offers Web hosting services to a large number of companies. Jeff Lowenberg, the company's vice president of operations, said that he was not aware of any illegal activity on one of his company's computers but said that he would investigate.

You can find more technical details, including ways to check for infection, here. As of yet, it has not been determined just how the trojan gets onto a machine. So far, it appears to only affect Windows users.

Plaid13 · 07-31-2006, 10:11 AM

hum well a trojan can do that kinda stuff but... why would it? Most trojans are used to get into someones computer and use it for storage space or as a online server. so they stick files on your computer and use your bandwidth so other people download from you. not normaly something done to personal computers. Most people that say stuff like this happening to them just say it because they downloaded it themself and were caught with it and dont want to look like a total pervert/pedofile/necrophyiliac/homosexual or whatever depending on what they were caught with that they dont want to admit to enjoying. But it is totaly possable toget a virus that would do it.

If i was them i would run a couple antivirus programs and a few anti spyware programs. then install a firewall. Hardware firewall is best but software firewalls help too.

a couple decent free online antivirus programs worth running.
http://housecall.trendmicro.com
http://www.pandasoftware.com/activescan

Antispyware stuff also free also worth running.

http://www.lavasoftusa.com/software/adaware/
http://www.safer-networking.org/en/download/

After running that stuff they should install a firewall like zone alarm. its free for the basic firewall and one of the best out. just takes a little time to set it up.

http://www.zonelabs.com/store/conten...eeDownload.jsp

After that they should Hit control alt delete to get the windows task manager up. hit the processes tab and start looking up all of those things on google. thats every program thats running on your computer. if theres a virus active on it still after all that antivirus stuff it will be there hidden somewhere. most viruses are named something that is innocent looking and trys to hide as something that belongs there. so if you see like aol on there and you know you dont have aol on your computer its a good chance that is a virus.

After doing all that annoying pain in the butt stuff. go to windows update and update windows over and over again till it dosnt download anything new. They patch all sorts of security holes all the time so the more updated you are the safter your computer is.

After all of that it should be virus free and running happy without any extra porn sneaking in that dosnt belong there. so... get your friend a subscription to some fat bald ugly and over 50 porn magazine. That way they dont go threw any porn withdrawl symptoms.

Kaos · 07-31-2006, 10:14 AM

Thanks so far guys. What you guys have told me, I have already suspected, but considered it almost 100% unlikely. My first though was a Trojan, but wasn't sure if there was anything that sophisticated.

Basically, 23 full-vids of kiddie porn d/l within 2 days was found when they got back from vacation.

Because of the nature of the porn in question, authorities have already been contacted and the police can run the investigation and check for virus/spyware themselves if need be.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dilbert1234567

Yes, but its unlikely, scan the computer for viruses and see what comes up, then research each virus and see what it does. As for something that allows someone else control, that's called a Trojan, and yes they do exist, mainly for financial profit though, stealing credit cards and the like not for ruining people. Bottom line, it is possible, but unlikely. Pictures are more likely to be an accident they are small and move easily, how ever full length movies would be quite a feat. How big are the full length movies, are we talking 15 megs, 150 megs or 700 megs.

Dilbert1234567 · 07-31-2006, 11:39 AM

yeah i hate finding kiddie porn when i work on computers, not that i look, but when its your desktop, your asking for trouble. and to Plaid13, if you want a great way to get a bunch of free warez, pr0n and new pirated movies straight from the sorce, leave a computer with a huge hard drive unprotected on a high speed connection for the weekend, and by high speed, i mean 10 MB/s or higher. at the school district i used to work at, some one acidentlaly left a computer (win 98) unprotected out side of the firewall on friday, by monday, it's 40 gig FTP of new releases. wash rinse repeat.

Plaid13 · 07-31-2006, 12:45 PM

lol yeah but most people dont have a 10mb connection. If i had that kinda bandwidth i would be using it for something better then warez.

People into kiddie porn really need to get some professional help. people that make kiddie porn need to be castrated with a wooden spoon then dropped off in the wilderness hundreds of miles from anything butt naked and just abandoned there.

ratbastid · 07-31-2006, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Plaid13

... people that make kiddie porn need to be castrated with a wooden spoon then dropped off in the wilderness hundreds of miles from anything butt naked and just abandoned there.

I don't know why people have to get so creative about punishing child abusers like this. Just let justice be done and put them in prison. They'll get what they deserve there.

Dilbert1234567 · 07-31-2006, 12:55 PM

rusty wooden spoon.

Chris H · 07-31-2006, 01:29 PM

rusty wooden spoon? wood doesnt rust,

Plaid13 · 07-31-2006, 04:51 PM

putting people in prison dosnt always work at least here in the US the legal system is a joke. most likely they would get tossed in a minimum security prison with nonviolent criminals. sit back and watch cable tv and be lazy all day where the cells are only locked at night and they are more like a dorm room then a cell. If they can afford a laywer they will most likely get away with whatever they want to do if its a good enough laywer.

Redlemon · 08-01-2006, 06:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Plaid13

putting people in prison dosnt always work at least here in the US the legal system is a joke. most likely they would get tossed in a minimum security prison with nonviolent criminals. sit back and watch cable tv and be lazy all day where the cells are only locked at night and they are more like a dorm room then a cell. If they can afford a laywer they will most likely get away with whatever they want to do if its a good enough laywer.

Ratbastid's point was that, in prison, the other prisoners hate the pedophiles. So do the guards. They often don't live long. If they do live, everyone makes them miserable.

/ from what I've heard, at least

Plaid13 · 08-01-2006, 08:23 AM

thats very true in maximim security prisons if they get thrown in with the gangs but not all prisons are like that. but yeah lets just hope something is done about it and they get what they deserve. but most likely kaos friends roomate or whoever it was that was downloading the stuff will get a slap on the wrist and the police wont be able to find where the stuff was made.

Dilbert1234567 · 08-01-2006, 09:01 AM

lets remember that this guy was downloading these, not making them... or i hope that was the case. he could be worse.

Redlemon · 08-01-2006, 09:04 AM

I think we've thrown this thread off. I don't think we need to be discussing the appropriate punishment for pedophiles, at least in this thread. This thread is for "If there's child porn on the computer, was it a virus/trojan, or was it the flatmate?"

Plaid13 · 08-01-2006, 02:29 PM

unless they have some crazy bandwidth and no firewall im pretty sure its the flatmate. but without knowing him in person and all the little details of how it was found and all that i couldnt be positive.

Nimetic · 08-06-2006, 01:18 AM

I've found files growing to unnatural sizes. A relative found a directory with a few gig of unreadable data.

There's definitely some strange malware around these days. Stuff that the normal antivirus suites are not picking up.

xepherys · 08-06-2006, 12:34 PM

Well, first of all, a trojan is just a delivery mechanism, usually, for something else, like a bot. The issue with bots is that most of them are written with polymorphic code these days and cannot (CANNOT) be detected using standard security means (anti-virus, anti-spyware, IDS, IPS). They also usually shed their delivery mechanism once they've infected a new PC. Often these will include a snippet of code that attaches itself to the KERNEL32.exe of Windows machines to either serve FTP/HTTP on a non-standard port, or to serve out files via a Torrent stream (which means that your crappy home bandwidth DOES matter to them).

The company I used to work for (well, do through this week) used a network appliance that had a rotating list of known botnet command and control hosts, and we were 'relatively' successful stopping badguys for our clients, but that isn't something currently feasible for most home users or even businesses. It's also still not 100%.

So, in short, yes... it's definitely possible. And yes, your little home/school bandwidth is useful to a Torrent botnet. And no, running anti-virus will likely turn up nothing, or if it does and "fixes" it... it probably didn't fix anything except maybe deleting the delivery shell that it came in.

Jex · 08-17-2006, 11:19 PM

Could you set your computer to record a log of it's activity? This woulld then tell you if files were going in and out that you hadn't requested?

soccerchamp76 · 08-18-2006, 11:29 PM

If you have nothing to hide, contact the FBI and tell them your situation BEFORE deleting any program or virus. They will find it, discover its origin, and find the perverted owners.

BTW, for those that think perverts in prison live comfortably, talk to Jeffrey Dahmer (guilty on counts of molestation, murder, rape, etc.). You may contact him at his local residence (the morgue) courtesy of a cellmate who bashed his head in. THAT is the real justice system.

Dilbert1234567 · 08-18-2006, 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jex

Could you set your computer to record a log of it's activity? This woulld then tell you if files were going in and out that you hadn't requested?

not reliably, the best solution would be to place a linux box inline with your connection and read every packet going to or from your system, only way to be sure what is going in and out.

07-31-2006, 09:39 AM	#1 (permalink)
Kaos Ssssssssss Location: Ontario	Automatically d/l porn virus? Very serious and sensitive matter. Is there such a virus that can download porn (illegal porn) onto your computer without your knowledge. Some friends of mine have just posed this question to me, as they have discovered some disturbing files on their shared computer with their flatmate. Now, I have done a little reading where people have claimed that a virus that put images/picutes on their computer or you get pop-ups directing you to porn sites from spyware/malware, but my friends found full-length videos on the computer. So, is there a virus that could download porn onto your computer without your knowledge, or allow someone to hijack your computer and download and hide the illegal porn?

07-31-2006, 09:56 AM	#2 (permalink)
Jinn Lover - Protector - Teacher Location: Seattle, WA	Yes. It can be done. A well-programmed virus can do anything (and everything) that a user could do by sitting in front of the computer. Most, however, cannot. It's very unlikely, but it's possible. How "disturbing" are these? There's nothing wrong with full-length videos unless they're kiddie porn, bestiality, scat, snuff.. you get the picture. But that's just me. __________________ "I'm typing on a computer of science, which is being sent by science wires to a little science server where you can access it. I'm not typing on a computer of philosophy or religion or whatever other thing you think can be used to understand the universe because they're a poor substitute in the role of understanding the universe which exists independent from ourselves." - Willravel

07-31-2006, 09:57 AM	#3 (permalink)
Dilbert1234567 Devils Cabana Boy Location: Central Coast CA	Yes, but its unlikely, scan the computer for viruses and see what comes up, then research each virus and see what it does. As for something that allows someone else control, that's called a Trojan, and yes they do exist, mainly for financial profit though, stealing credit cards and the like not for ruining people. Bottom line, it is possible, but unlikely. Pictures are more likely to be an accident they are small and move easily, how ever full length movies would be quite a feat. How big are the full length movies, are we talking 15 megs, 150 megs or 700 megs. __________________ Donate Blood! "Love is not finding the perfect person, but learning to see an imperfect person perfectly." -Sam Keen

07-31-2006, 11:39 AM	#7 (permalink)
Dilbert1234567 Devils Cabana Boy Location: Central Coast CA	yeah i hate finding kiddie porn when i work on computers, not that i look, but when its your desktop, your asking for trouble. and to Plaid13, if you want a great way to get a bunch of free warez, pr0n and new pirated movies straight from the sorce, leave a computer with a huge hard drive unprotected on a high speed connection for the weekend, and by high speed, i mean 10 MB/s or higher. at the school district i used to work at, some one acidentlaly left a computer (win 98) unprotected out side of the firewall on friday, by monday, it's 40 gig FTP of new releases. wash rinse repeat. __________________ Donate Blood! "Love is not finding the perfect person, but learning to see an imperfect person perfectly." -Sam Keen

07-31-2006, 12:55 PM	#10 (permalink)
Dilbert1234567 Devils Cabana Boy Location: Central Coast CA	rusty wooden spoon. __________________ Donate Blood! "Love is not finding the perfect person, but learning to see an imperfect person perfectly." -Sam Keen

07-31-2006, 10:11 AM	#5 (permalink)
Plaid13 I want a Plaid crayon	hum well a trojan can do that kinda stuff but... why would it? Most trojans are used to get into someones computer and use it for storage space or as a online server. so they stick files on your computer and use your bandwidth so other people download from you. not normaly something done to personal computers. Most people that say stuff like this happening to them just say it because they downloaded it themself and were caught with it and dont want to look like a total pervert/pedofile/necrophyiliac/homosexual or whatever depending on what they were caught with that they dont want to admit to enjoying. But it is totaly possable toget a virus that would do it. If i was them i would run a couple antivirus programs and a few anti spyware programs. then install a firewall. Hardware firewall is best but software firewalls help too. a couple decent free online antivirus programs worth running. http://housecall.trendmicro.com http://www.pandasoftware.com/activescan Antispyware stuff also free also worth running. http://www.lavasoftusa.com/software/adaware/ http://www.safer-networking.org/en/download/ After running that stuff they should install a firewall like zone alarm. its free for the basic firewall and one of the best out. just takes a little time to set it up. http://www.zonelabs.com/store/conten...eeDownload.jsp After that they should Hit control alt delete to get the windows task manager up. hit the processes tab and start looking up all of those things on google. thats every program thats running on your computer. if theres a virus active on it still after all that antivirus stuff it will be there hidden somewhere. most viruses are named something that is innocent looking and trys to hide as something that belongs there. so if you see like aol on there and you know you dont have aol on your computer its a good chance that is a virus. After doing all that annoying pain in the butt stuff. go to windows update and update windows over and over again till it dosnt download anything new. They patch all sorts of security holes all the time so the more updated you are the safter your computer is. After all of that it should be virus free and running happy without any extra porn sneaking in that dosnt belong there. so... get your friend a subscription to some fat bald ugly and over 50 porn magazine. That way they dont go threw any porn withdrawl symptoms.

07-31-2006, 12:45 PM	#8 (permalink)
Plaid13 I want a Plaid crayon	lol yeah but most people dont have a 10mb connection. If i had that kinda bandwidth i would be using it for something better then warez. People into kiddie porn really need to get some professional help. people that make kiddie porn need to be castrated with a wooden spoon then dropped off in the wilderness hundreds of miles from anything butt naked and just abandoned there.

07-31-2006, 01:29 PM	#11 (permalink)
Chris H Tilted	rusty wooden spoon? wood doesnt rust, __________________ Intel Celeron 2.4ghz 512mb ram 333mhz NVIDIA GEforce fx5200 128mb 40GB Maxtor HDD

07-31-2006, 04:51 PM	#12 (permalink)
Plaid13 I want a Plaid crayon	putting people in prison dosnt always work at least here in the US the legal system is a joke. most likely they would get tossed in a minimum security prison with nonviolent criminals. sit back and watch cable tv and be lazy all day where the cells are only locked at night and they are more like a dorm room then a cell. If they can afford a laywer they will most likely get away with whatever they want to do if its a good enough laywer.

08-01-2006, 08:23 AM	#14 (permalink)
Plaid13 I want a Plaid crayon	thats very true in maximim security prisons if they get thrown in with the gangs but not all prisons are like that. but yeah lets just hope something is done about it and they get what they deserve. but most likely kaos friends roomate or whoever it was that was downloading the stuff will get a slap on the wrist and the police wont be able to find where the stuff was made.

08-01-2006, 09:01 AM	#15 (permalink)
Dilbert1234567 Devils Cabana Boy Location: Central Coast CA	lets remember that this guy was downloading these, not making them... or i hope that was the case. he could be worse. __________________ Donate Blood! "Love is not finding the perfect person, but learning to see an imperfect person perfectly." -Sam Keen

08-01-2006, 09:04 AM	#16 (permalink)
Redlemon Devoted Donor Location: New England	I think we've thrown this thread off. I don't think we need to be discussing the appropriate punishment for pedophiles, at least in this thread. This thread is for "If there's child porn on the computer, was it a virus/trojan, or was it the flatmate?" __________________ I can't read your signature. Sorry.

08-01-2006, 02:29 PM	#17 (permalink)
Plaid13 I want a Plaid crayon	unless they have some crazy bandwidth and no firewall im pretty sure its the flatmate. but without knowing him in person and all the little details of how it was found and all that i couldnt be positive.

08-06-2006, 01:18 AM	#18 (permalink)
Nimetic Junkie Location: Melbourne, Australia	I've found files growing to unnatural sizes. A relative found a directory with a few gig of unreadable data. There's definitely some strange malware around these days. Stuff that the normal antivirus suites are not picking up.

08-06-2006, 12:34 PM	#19 (permalink)
xepherys <3 TFP Location: 17TLH2445607250	Well, first of all, a trojan is just a delivery mechanism, usually, for something else, like a bot. The issue with bots is that most of them are written with polymorphic code these days and cannot (CANNOT) be detected using standard security means (anti-virus, anti-spyware, IDS, IPS). They also usually shed their delivery mechanism once they've infected a new PC. Often these will include a snippet of code that attaches itself to the KERNEL32.exe of Windows machines to either serve FTP/HTTP on a non-standard port, or to serve out files via a Torrent stream (which means that your crappy home bandwidth DOES matter to them). The company I used to work for (well, do through this week) used a network appliance that had a rotating list of known botnet command and control hosts, and we were 'relatively' successful stopping badguys for our clients, but that isn't something currently feasible for most home users or even businesses. It's also still not 100%. So, in short, yes... it's definitely possible. And yes, your little home/school bandwidth is useful to a Torrent botnet. And no, running anti-virus will likely turn up nothing, or if it does and "fixes" it... it probably didn't fix anything except maybe deleting the delivery shell that it came in.

08-17-2006, 11:19 PM	#20 (permalink)
Jex Upright	Could you set your computer to record a log of it's activity? This woulld then tell you if files were going in and out that you hadn't requested?

08-18-2006, 11:29 PM	#21 (permalink)
soccerchamp76 Go Cardinals Location: St. Louis/Cincinnati	If you have nothing to hide, contact the FBI and tell them your situation BEFORE deleting any program or virus. They will find it, discover its origin, and find the perverted owners. BTW, for those that think perverts in prison live comfortably, talk to Jeffrey Dahmer (guilty on counts of molestation, murder, rape, etc.). You may contact him at his local residence (the morgue) courtesy of a cellmate who bashed his head in. THAT is the real justice system. __________________ Brian Griffin: Ah, if my memory serves me, this is the physics department. Chris Griffin: That would explain all the gravity.