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Redlemon · 06-17-2004, 07:38 AM

If you look at FaderMonkey's post in the Mozilla FireFox thread, he points out that there's a weird scrollbar display, as follows:

I get this as well when using Firefox on OS X. I don't see this with any other vBulletin board, and I don't see it with Firefox on WinXP, and I don't see it with Safari on OS X.

I doubt there's an easy fix, but I thought I'd mention it here in case there is.

ubertuber · 06-18-2004, 11:20 AM

I have been seeing that for the last week when I have to use AOL on my Mac.

Halx · 06-21-2004, 11:34 AM

it's possibly an artifact from the QuickQuote code... either way, I don't own a Mac so I cant troubleshoot.

What you can do if you know HTML, is save the webpage to your hard drive, then load it from your HD. If it's still present, then open up the file in an HTML editor and remove the code for QuickQuote, which is located directly above each posts's text. It's a form. Then, load the page again and see if that took care of it.

Tell me whether it did or not.

Redlemon · 06-29-2004, 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Halx
it's possibly an artifact from the QuickQuote code... either way, I don't own a Mac so I cant troubleshoot.

What you can do if you know HTML, is save the webpage to your hard drive, then load it from your HD. If it's still present, then open up the file in an HTML editor and remove the code for QuickQuote, which is located directly above each posts's text. It's a form. Then, load the page again and see if that took care of it.

Tell me whether it did or not.

I was away for the week, thanks for responding. I'll try to check it out tonight when I get home.

wonderwench · 06-29-2004, 12:40 PM

I do not know HTML - is there any other remedy I can try?

Redlemon · 06-29-2004, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by wonderwench
I do not know HTML - is there any other remedy I can try?

Well, I looked at the code. If you use any text editor (I like TexEdit), you can delete any line that contains 'QuickQuote'; for example,

Code:

{A HREF="#vbform"}{font face="trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica" size="1"}QuickQuote{/font}
{/A}{input type="radio" onclick="document.vbform.message.value = 
document.vbform.message.value + document.p1235635.elements[0].value;this.checked = false;"}

Or, I'll try it in another 5 hours or so.

In the meantime, use Safari to surf the TFP; it displays fine.

wonderwench · 06-29-2004, 01:17 PM

I'm going to have to wait, then. I don't mess with things on my Mac when I have no idea what I am doing.

I am also incredibly disappointed in Safari - and avoid it whenever possible.

SinisterMotives · 06-29-2004, 02:28 PM

I've seen Mozilla render scrollbars inappropriately on a number of sites. It has nothing to do with vBulletin.

Redlemon · 06-29-2004, 04:57 PM

OK, I hand-edited the HTML. If I delete the entire QuickQuote segment, starting with the {TD align=right}, the scrollbars are gone. Halx, if you want to email me some revised versions of these pages (I really don't know my HTML), I'll test them out.

macsrule · 07-08-2004, 10:24 AM

It has to do with the coding of the web page ... and then not testing thoroughly.

Halx · 07-09-2004, 02:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by macsrule
It has to do with the coding of the web page ... and then not testing thoroughly.

it has to do with running a browser that isn't even out of beta yet, on an operating system that less than 3% of the world uses.

oldtimer · 07-09-2004, 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Halx
it has to do with running a browser that isn't even out of beta yet, on an operating system that less than 3% of the world uses.

HAHAHAHAHA!
HAHAHAHAHA!
.

I'll stop now.

Redlemon · 07-09-2004, 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Halx
it has to do with running a browser that isn't even out of beta yet, on an operating system that less than 3% of the world uses.

Yeah, I know, which is why I started with

Quote:

Originally posted by redlemon
I doubt there's an easy fix, but I thought I'd mention it here in case there is.

I think the problem is in Firefox/Mac. After the developers release Firefox/Win 1.0, they will be focusing on Firefox/Mac, and I'll post a testcase to their forums and see where the error lies.

Thanks anyway!

wonderwench · 07-09-2004, 08:10 AM

I can live with the artifacts. I'd rather not have the security holes inherent in IE/Windows.

SinisterMotives · 07-09-2004, 08:41 AM

As I said before, this happens in the Windows version of Mozilla too. It's a Mozilla problem, not Mac or vBulletin.

I wouldn't be so smug about the "inherent" security of Mozilla either. A flaw has been found in Windows versions of Mozilla and Firefox that allows malicious Web sites to run arbitrary code on the user's machine. If you haven't upgraded to Mozilla 1.7.1 or Firefox 0.9.2, now would be a good time.

Redlemon · 07-09-2004, 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SinisterMotives
As I said before, this happens in the Windows version of Mozilla too. It's a Mozilla problem, not Mac or vBulletin.

SM, I think you have a different bug in mind. This is about strange short scrollbars appearing in the middle of the page. I have seen this nowhere else except this board, on Firefox, on the Mac. Any other combination of board, browser, and platform, works as expected.

SinisterMotives · 07-09-2004, 08:56 AM

It may be a different bug, but spurious scrollbars are spurious scrollbars. The Mozilla developers need to fix their browser.

SecretMethod70 · 07-09-2004, 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SinisterMotives
As I said before, this happens in the Windows version of Mozilla too. It's a Mozilla problem, not Mac or vBulletin.

I wouldn't be so smug about the "inherent" security of Mozilla either. A flaw has been found in Windows versions of Mozilla and Firefox that allows malicious Web sites to run arbitrary code on the user's machine. If you haven't upgraded to Mozilla 1.7.1 or Firefox 0.9.2, now would be a good time.

This is off-topic, and I admit that I'm letting 1) my dislike of misinformation and 2) my bias towards Mozilla affect my post here, but I have to respond to this.

Making a big deal about a single flaw in a browser makes little sense, let alone the fact that the alternative in question has had and still has multitudes of similar flaws.

Not to mention that this "flaw" in Mozilla is actually caused by a problem in Windows that Microsoft SAID it fixed with SP!, but actually did not. So, the history goes something like, MS finds a flaw in a Windows command, which affects IE *and* Mozilla (and probably many others) and releases a "fix" for it in SP1. Since the flaw in the command was fixed, the part where Mozilla browsers use that command remained. Lo and behold, it turns out that the flaw WASN'T fixed and the problem remains in both Mozilla browsers AND IE (test it out <a href="http://www.mccanless.us/mozilla/mozilla_bugs.htm">here</a>). So, the Mozilla Foundations notices this and, within 24 hours, provides an updated version with a work-around of the problem. (Basically, disabling the rarely used functionality) Meanwhile, the flaw, which Microsoft "fixed" in SP1 remains fully alive and well in IE.

More details in this thread here: http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthr...threadid=61898

Don't get me wrong, no browser is 100% secure, and I fully recognize that there probably ARE real security flaws in Mozilla, just as there are in Opera and IE and Safari and so forth (to varying degrees of course). But this instance is not a flaw in Mozilla by any means.

And, as a side note, I use Mozilla and Firefox in Windows and haven't seen any scrollbar problems. Not that I don't believe you're seeing them, I'm just not sure that it's Mozilla in this case.

SinisterMotives · 07-09-2004, 08:18 PM

I wasn't ragging on Mozilla or trying to deliberately misinform anyone. I use Mozilla myself, and it works well for a version 1.x application. I'm not interested in testing IE and/or Windows for similar or worse flaws because that wouldn't be much of a challenge.

Nevertheless, the news story I read said that the flaw was found in Mozilla and that people need to upgrade to the latest versions of Mozilla and Firefox to fix it.

SecretMethod70 · 07-10-2004, 01:18 PM

eh, don't worry about it

I didn't think you were trying to deliberately misinform anyone, and I just thought you were ragging on Mozilla cause the internet sucks as a communication medium. Anyway, this scrollbar thing is all a matter of who needs to fix what, and I'm not entirely sure it's Mozillabased on what I've seen here, although it's a good possibility. I'm really not sure about the Windows thing you're talking about though.

Either way, not much we can do about the subject, so I guess there's not much "support" to be had here

Redlemon · 08-02-2004, 06:29 AM

OK, I reduced the code down to the bare essentials and posted it as a question over on the MozillaZine forums. We'll see if there's an easy fix or not.

Strange scrollbars; bad code, or Firefox OS X problem? - MozillaZine Forums

Redlemon · 08-03-2004, 05:22 AM

OK, the problem is with the "visibility:hidden", and the bug (if anyone cares) is Bug 187435 - Elements (TEXTAREA, IFRAME, DIV, etc.) with visibility:hidden still show scrollbars. I'll post back if there's any easy workaround.

06-17-2004, 07:38 AM	#1 (permalink)
Redlemon Devoted Donor Location: New England	TFP and Firefox on Mac If you look at FaderMonkey's post in the Mozilla FireFox thread, he points out that there's a weird scrollbar display, as follows: I get this as well when using Firefox on OS X. I don't see this with any other vBulletin board, and I don't see it with Firefox on WinXP, and I don't see it with Safari on OS X. I doubt there's an easy fix, but I thought I'd mention it here in case there is.

06-18-2004, 11:20 AM	#2 (permalink)
ubertuber spudly Location: Ellay	I have been seeing that for the last week when I have to use AOL on my Mac. __________________ Cogito ergo spud -- I think, therefore I yam

06-21-2004, 11:34 AM	#3 (permalink)
Halx Please touch this. Owner/Admin Location: Manhattan	it's possibly an artifact from the QuickQuote code... either way, I don't own a Mac so I cant troubleshoot. What you can do if you know HTML, is save the webpage to your hard drive, then load it from your HD. If it's still present, then open up the file in an HTML editor and remove the code for QuickQuote, which is located directly above each posts's text. It's a form. Then, load the page again and see if that took care of it. Tell me whether it did or not. __________________ You have found this post informative. -The Administrator [Don't Feed The Animals]

06-29-2004, 04:57 PM	#9 (permalink)
Redlemon Devoted Donor Location: New England	OK, I hand-edited the HTML. If I delete the entire QuickQuote segment, starting with the {TD align=right}, the scrollbars are gone. Halx, if you want to email me some revised versions of these pages (I really don't know my HTML), I'll test them out. __________________ I can't read your signature. Sorry.

07-08-2004, 10:24 AM	#10 (permalink)
macsrule Upright	It has to do with the coding of the web page ... and then not testing thoroughly. __________________ The reason I recommend Macintosh is because it will solve 90% of winblows users frustrations.

06-29-2004, 12:40 PM	#5 (permalink)
wonderwench Banned	I do not know HTML - is there any other remedy I can try?

06-29-2004, 01:17 PM	#7 (permalink)
wonderwench Banned	I'm going to have to wait, then. I don't mess with things on my Mac when I have no idea what I am doing. I am also incredibly disappointed in Safari - and avoid it whenever possible.

06-29-2004, 02:28 PM	#8 (permalink)
SinisterMotives Junkie	I've seen Mozilla render scrollbars inappropriately on a number of sites. It has nothing to do with vBulletin.

07-09-2004, 08:10 AM	#14 (permalink)
wonderwench Banned	I can live with the artifacts. I'd rather not have the security holes inherent in IE/Windows.

07-09-2004, 08:41 AM	#15 (permalink)
SinisterMotives Junkie	As I said before, this happens in the Windows version of Mozilla too. It's a Mozilla problem, not Mac or vBulletin. I wouldn't be so smug about the "inherent" security of Mozilla either. A flaw has been found in Windows versions of Mozilla and Firefox that allows malicious Web sites to run arbitrary code on the user's machine. If you haven't upgraded to Mozilla 1.7.1 or Firefox 0.9.2, now would be a good time.

07-09-2004, 08:56 AM	#17 (permalink)
SinisterMotives Junkie	It may be a different bug, but spurious scrollbars are spurious scrollbars. The Mozilla developers need to fix their browser.

07-09-2004, 08:18 PM	#19 (permalink)
SinisterMotives Junkie	I wasn't ragging on Mozilla or trying to deliberately misinform anyone. I use Mozilla myself, and it works well for a version 1.x application. I'm not interested in testing IE and/or Windows for similar or worse flaws because that wouldn't be much of a challenge. Nevertheless, the news story I read said that the flaw was found in Mozilla and that people need to upgrade to the latest versions of Mozilla and Firefox to fix it.

07-10-2004, 01:18 PM	#20 (permalink)
SecretMethod70 Human Administrator Location: Chicago	eh, don't worry about it I didn't think you were trying to deliberately misinform anyone, and I just thought you were ragging on Mozilla cause the internet sucks as a communication medium. Anyway, this scrollbar thing is all a matter of who needs to fix what, and I'm not entirely sure it's Mozillabased on what I've seen here, although it's a good possibility. I'm really not sure about the Windows thing you're talking about though. Either way, not much we can do about the subject, so I guess there's not much "support" to be had here __________________ Le temps détruit tout "Musicians are the carriers and communicators of spirit in the most immediate sense." - Kurt Elling

08-02-2004, 06:29 AM	#21 (permalink)
Redlemon Devoted Donor Location: New England	OK, I reduced the code down to the bare essentials and posted it as a question over on the MozillaZine forums. We'll see if there's an easy fix or not. Strange scrollbars; bad code, or Firefox OS X problem? - MozillaZine Forums __________________ I can't read your signature. Sorry.

08-03-2004, 05:22 AM	#22 (permalink)
Redlemon Devoted Donor Location: New England	OK, the problem is with the "visibility:hidden", and the bug (if anyone cares) is Bug 187435 - Elements (TEXTAREA, IFRAME, DIV, etc.) with visibility:hidden still show scrollbars. I'll post back if there's any easy workaround. __________________ I can't read your signature. Sorry.