lunchbox

Serves the s.o.b. right.

Anyone know if this guy grew up and only child? He seems to have no understanding of right and wrong and apparently doesn't understand that your mouth will get you in trouble.


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/column...len&id=2214754

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The_wall

Am I crazy or does the article not even say what he did to get suspended?

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Ahambone

Right now they are calling it "conduct detrimental to the team."

Just yesterday, Owens was apologizing for that ESPN interview he made earlier in the week, where he was all crybaby over the Eagles not celebrating his 100th TD pass. I wouldn't think that he would get suspended for that interview after making the public apology he made yesterday. I'm thinking that there was a locker room incident that took place in between the apology & the suspension. I can't wait to hear just what the incident was.

...and can I just say: T.O.- as much as I don't like you for your attitude- I'm going to give you some advice: STOP TALKING TO ESPN! They are not your friends; they are only trying to goad you into saying something stupid, and you make them look really smart everytime you fall for one of their traps.

Ahambone

After reading another article on the matter, it sounds like the suspension IS because of the interview he made to ESPN a few days ago.

The_wall

So he complained about The Eagles not celebrating his 100th TD on an interview at espn?
Thats it? Seems overly harsh to suspend him for a little whining, especially since the Eagles need any help they can get at this point.

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Ace_O_Spades

I think it eventually comes to the point where enough is enough... The eagles say "stop being a whiny little bitch, do your fucking job on the field, and collect your goddamn paycheque"

god I hate TO

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Craven Morehead

I think you've nailed it.

maximusveritas

I have no sympathy for Andy Reid and the Eagles organization.
They knew what they were getting when they brought TO over to Philly.
They just figured that his talent was worth whatever baggage he would bring.

He gave everything he had on the field and went against the advice of his doctors to return from injury and give a performance in the Super Bowl that would have gone down as one of the greatest in the history of the NFL had the Eagles won.
What more could the Eagles have wanted from him?

Instead of rewarding him and making sure he stays there for a long time, they've done nothing but antagonize him. Sure, TO has said some dumb things, especially about McNabb, but the Eagles knew he was gonna do stuff like that. But now they're suspending him and putting the season and future of the franchise in jeopardy just because he calls them on their BS.

I'm not absolving TO of all blame, but the Eagles are not innocent in this. They deserve every bit of this mess.

Borla

TO makes a team game all about him.
TO called his organization "classless".
TO basically alluded that his team would've won the SuperBowl last year if the QB wasn't "tired".
TO claimed his team would be 7-0 if Brett Favre was the QB instead of McNabb.
TO tried holding out in training camp to get more money than HE AGREED TO BE PAID ONE YEAR AGO.
TO called his team and it's organization classless.


His suspension is an accumulation of all of the above, and more. Maybe his recent interview (and one of the WEAKEST apologies I've heard in my life) was the trigger to his suspension, but it was a cumulative thing I'm sure. I've been telling anyone who will listen all week long that they should "Keyshawn" him and make him sit down the rest of the year. You all saw what happened to the Bucs the year they did that, right?

The man has all the talent in the world. He gives 100% on the field. He is truly phenomenal to watch. But he's not someone I'd want on my team, ever. I'm a die-hard Bucs fan. If you told me the Bucs could have him for free for the balance of the year, I'd say forget it.

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pan6467

This sucks I have TO on 3 of my Yahoo Fantasy teams. (Of course I also have Chad Johnson, Harrison and Houshmanzadeh so I'm not dying, but it sucks.)

I think this sounds like the Eagles are trying to appease the rest of the team and trying to show they have a backbone. Unfortunately, this in my opinion is the wrong reason to do it as TO has a legitimate beef.

So he did all those things and I am not saying they were right, but obviously the Eagles never felt the need to suspend him for any statements before. So he says stupid things and puts his foot in his mouth, big deal, players do it all the time. I mean he may say stupid ass things and do stupid shit but he helps his team win and goes out there and does the best he can do, and that's all any team can ask for.

These are big boys and a major league organization, if they can't take TO's little tantrums, then they best not listen to radio talkshows, watch any sports shows or pick up any sport mags where they may get criticized by the fans, because the fans are a hell of a lot meaner than TO ever will be.

Hell, look at Manny Ramirez and Boston, Boston's in the playoffs and in the middle of them Manny's telling the press he wants a trade..... WTF that's far worse and more clubhouse trouble than anything TO has said.

So why now, what makes this time different?

And this time it is a legit argument. He's right any other organization would have had some type of celebratory affair for his 100th TD. It's pathetic of the Eagles not to have. So he does have a true point about them disrespecting him.

Now if TO went and popped on a piss test, or told ESPN that "well, there maybe a few balls this year that Donovan throws to me that well..... I may not get to or bobble and have a hard time holding onto." Basically saying he'd dog the rest of the year, THEN the Eagles would have some reason to suspend him.

Of course all this could be about his ankle. He may feel he can play on it and the team believes he needs the rest, so instead of sitting him, or taking "pride" away from him by telling him he's too injured to play, they "suspend" him. My guess is this is the true reasoning behind the suspension.

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Borla

I have TO in one of mine.

It comes down to greater good......one star player, or the other 50+ players?



Maybe they told him they were at the end of the rope and "no more" because of the past history? I don't know, but it's plausible I'd think.

Now if TO went and popped on a piss test, or told ESPN that "well, there maybe a few balls this year that Donovan throws to me that well..... I may not get to or bobble and have a hard time holding onto." Basically saying he'd dog the rest of the year, THEN the Eagles would have some reason to suspend him.[/quote] I'd argue that he still doesn't have a reason. The Eagles claim that they NEVER, EVER have recognized personal goals or achievements in the past, and it was TO wanting them to change that precedent that sparked this problem. If that is in fact true, then I think TO should just STFU instead of expecting special treatment.

If that were the case, all they'd need to do is have the team doctor say he's unable to play.

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pan6467

So you can feel my pain....lol


True, but every team has prima donnas on them and players still get the job done. I mean I can't think of any player more disruptive than Albert Belle but the teams lived with him and his awesome talent.

Very plausible.

If that is true, then yes TO shouldn't have expected anything special. But if he wanted to still cry about it, it just shows how he is all about himslef.

True, but if he's saying he'll play no matter what the doc says ..... I just think there is far more to all of this.... but of course I'm a conspiracist over everything....

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spectre

That's exactly right. Funny thing is, as much as you hate him, I think there are two teams that may make a play for him next year, one being the Raiders (the love bringing in trouble makers) and the Packers. He's already expressed interest in playing with Favre (in major jab at McNabb), Green Bay could use him, and may be desperate enough to overlook his past. If that happens, things will real ugly, real quick there.

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Sion

I have two things to say about this whole matter:

1. Anyone, and I do mean anyone, who is in any way defending TO is a bigger fool than he is.

2. This is, was, and always will be about the $$. TO wants to redo a contract he just signed LAST FRIGGIN YEAR, and the organization told him to go pound salt. As a result, he's making himself the biggest pain in the ass that he can be. He's trying to force a trade/release so he can "feed his family".


TO is a me-first, money-grubbing shitbag. If I was an NFL owner, HE couldn't pay ME enough to be on my team.

fuck him.

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lunchbox

I don't for a second absolve the eagles of guilt, i'm just simply saying TO is a jackass and deserves to be suspended. To a point, the iggles deserve this for rolling the dice on this shitbag. On the other hand I do feel sorry for them becasue they brought him back this year because they thought he did something for them. Aside from winning homefield advantage (which they had done without TO) he really contributed nothing as far as playoffs go. He was brought in to "get them over the hump" but in all reality they were head and shoulders above the NFC last year and without TO they got to the SB and I would go so far as to say they could have clinched homefield without him. They won in the playoffs without him. The only thing TO helped was himself last year. HE put up numbers during the season which helped him. He came back unbelievably for the super bowl which only helped him showing how tough he was and how much of a competitor he was. He contributed to a super bowl loss *clap....clap*

The Eagles need to just sit him down for the year and in the offseason jump on the first trade that someone is offering for this douchebag.

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djtestudo

Reports are that he got into a fight with Hugh Douglass Thursday after practice, and proceeded to challenge the entire locker room, including McNabb, and he was made inactive (not suspended) after refusing to apologize to the team and McNabb individually.

Jay Glazer said that if the Eagles feel that they do a good enough job tonight, TO might very well be deactivated, or put more amusingly, "Keyshawned".

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pan6467

I also heard on FOX pregame that he missed a meeting or something.

So there is more to it than just the ESPN interview it appears.

My defense was on what I knew.

Knowing the newer info, if he challenged the locker room and Donovan (your team QB and general) then his ass should be gone because that is to divisive for the lockerroom. Surprised noone took him up on it.

But again, if he's just an ass so what. I can tell there are some TO haters here, and I'm, not a fan but the man can play and make huge plays.

As for the plays being about him....... let's see, Albert Belle, Barry Bonds, Corey Dillon and so on. Point is TO is not the only, nor is he the worst of the "me first" players, it's unfortunately part of the "Big money" business and players attitudes now. Or Manny demanding a trade DURING the playoffs wasn't disruptive? There will always be disruptive players with awesome talent and unfortunately in today's world of sports if you want to win.... ya have to dance with the devil.

You want the attitudes to change pay the guys less guarantee and more on performance incentives. Until you do, there will be TO's on every team and my guess is, there will be far more TO's (maybe not as vocal or public) than there will be Omar Vizquels, JRs, Jordans, Pippens, and so on.

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Borla

Look at the three reigning champs in the major sports in the US right now.

Football = Patriots.......all about team, all buy into the program, no one speaks out and complains about their teammates/coach.

NBA = Pistons.......all about hustle, all about team, all about defense (which in the NBA means playing as a team and being unselfish), all on the same page.

MLB = White Sox......all playing for the other 24 guys and their manager, no one speaking out against the organization or the team, everyone pulling together.


Look at several of the other recent champs.....NE over the past 5-6 years.....the Red Sox last year, the Spurs........all teams that played as a team. No coincedence I think.

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lunchbox

[QUOTE=Borla]
NBA = Pistons.......all about hustle, all about team, all about defense (which in the NBA means playing as a team and being unselfish), all on the same page.
/QUOTE]


psssst. the spurs are the NBA champs, not the pistons. fyi.

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Ace_O_Spades

Oh no... god I hope the Packers don't deal for him. We don't want him, he's nothing but a troublemaker

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Borla

[QUOTE=lunchbox] Oops!! But I did mention the Spurs later in the post. And both teams are built as a TEAM, and had recent success.

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Redlemon

I think the only place left for him is the Raiders. With him and Moss, they will either be so good that even I could play quarterback for them, or the combined egos of TO and Moss will cause the team to explode. I'll watch either option, but hoping for the latter.
Have you heard anything "me first" out of Dillon the last year and a half? Nope. He grew up.

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BonesCPA

The stories we have here seem to have a little more detail (in order of how information has been released):

1. After the interview aired, Brian Dawkins (the respected voice of the defense) confronted TO first thing on Friday. According to TO, Dawkins "accepted" his explanation of the interview.

2. Later Friday, the team requested - through TO's agent since TO wouldn't listen to anyone directly - to apologize for all of the comments made in the interview. In a prepared statement, TO apologized to the organization for the "classless" comments. No apology was made to McNabb or the rest of the team. According to reporters and "sources", the paper with the statement was torn at the bottom where apparently a section was prepared on an additional apology. It appears as though TO ripped it off himself.

3. In his Friday afternoon radio show (which is broadcast out of an Atlanta station since he has refused to talk to local media since the infamous front lawn workout session), he indicated that he regretted the interview, but not necessarily what he said.

4. In a closed door team meeting called by McNabb on Saturday, he called for an explanation/apology in front of the team, and none was given. TO was suspsended indefinitely by the team at some point after that meeting.

5. Sunday word started filtering out about a confrontation in the lockeroom earlier in the week. Hugh Douglas, a popular former Pro Bowl defensive lineman for the Eagles who retired this year and was named "ambassador" for the team, came into the lockeroom after TO had indicated he had a leg/ankle injury. TO was sitting in a whirlpool tub when Douglas, to no one directly - but obviously aimed at TO who he has previously had publicly criticized on his "issues" - complained loudly about players faking injuries. TO proceed to go after Douglas and had to be restrained. After a brief separation, TO went after him again and apparently threw a punch "that would have caused damage" if it connected. After another separation, TO proceeded to enter the full lockeroom and asked if McNabb or any other player wanted a piece of him. No one took him up on his offer.

So how was your week?

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pan6467

Albert Belle lives on in the NFL.....

Seriously though, for that I can see why and agree wholeheartedly with the suspension.

Surprised noone took him up, even for just a cheap shot. TO has always been a detriment to the lockerroom and himself, but the Eagles knew that and offered him more money in 1 year than probably 75% of us combined on this board will ever see in a lifetime. So I don't feel sorry for the Eagles, in fact I believe they got what they deserved and should live with the decision.

People cry how athletes don't want to live up to the contracts, well in this case the Eagles should have to, because they knew what they were getting when they signed him.

These teams pay unGodly amounts of money allowing the players to behave this way and then they are fucked with bad pr, bad lockerroms and bad mouthed for not paying more, or for how they "treat" the player. When is enough enough for these owners and teams, when will the owners finally get a clue and stop their insanity? Put clauses in the contracts, don't offer any guaranteed big money but rather a small base with incentives.

All I can say is you get what you pay for and if you know the players past has been troubling, your money is only going to make him worse.

Although, I truly feel that requesting a trade while your team is in the playoffs is by far worse and more divisive. That's gotta be the greatest prima donna act right there. But "it's just Manny being Manny."

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tspikes51

Since I'm sure somebody's gonna bring up one of my guys (Chad Johnson), I'm gonna go ahead and make sure you all know the difference between being a jackass like T.O. and being Chad Johnson.

T.O. is a difficult, egocentric, greedy piece of shit. All he wants is more money and more recognition.

Chad has fun. Sure, he talks about himself being the best, but first of all, he can back it up, and second of all he is always a good sport about it. He is a true competitor and just wants to win. He doesn't care so much about money; he loves the game too much to bitch. He is a true team player, he has fun with his teammates (you would have seen plenty of evidence for that if you watched "Six Days to Sunday" on NFL network last week), and never gets into fights.

To sum it all up: T.O. is a whiny, big-headed asshole; Chad Johnson is having fun.

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djtestudo

I won't say anything about Chad Johnson; in fact, I actually do like him (unless he's playing the Ravens ).

He does seem like a team guy, and it has been said he's willing to take the same crap he gives when necessary. That kind of guy is exactly what a wide receiver should be.

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stevo

If only the rest of the world knew how true this is.

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hambone

Seconded, please stay away from the Packers...

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dylanmarsh

He needs to go to the Texans or Arizona or someother God foresaken place that will humble him into retirement.

djtestudo

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2216703

D-U-N for the year.

Keyshawn-ed!

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Borla

Chad Johnson is entertaining. Yeah he talks all the smack, but he does it with a smile and a pat on the butt to the cornerback. He's not the arrogant fool TO is.

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Psycho Dad

Given that Randy Moss hasn't produced any big numbers to speak of in Oakland and that Al Davis doesn't mind having a cancer on his team I half expect him to be headed to the other side of the bay next year.

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Borla

There is supposed to be a press conference on in about 10 minutes......supposedly TO is reading a statement. He's not taking any questions, but his agent is. Heard it on ESPN radio at lunch. Stuck at work so I won't be able to watch the press conference.

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BonesCPA

To summarize the press conference (also known as the pre-free agency mea culpa):

TO:" I apologize to everyone. I want to play for the Eagles this week."

Rosenhaus:"He's sorry. He wants to play football. He is a great citizen. I love this man."

Reporter:"Drew, do you think your attempt at a renogotiation was the start of the problems?"

Rosenhaus:"Next question."

Reporter:Poignant question (you fill in the rest)

Rosenhaus:"Next question." or "I can't comment on that. But let me reiterate, he wants to play for the Eagles this week against Dallas. He's apologetic."

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Eagles fans are consistent in certain areas:

1. A 2-14 season is not a total loss if the two wins come against the Cowboys.

2. Defense is where a winning team starts.

3. Play all out until you are out of it. ("For who, for what?" - if you are an Eagles fan you know who said this.)

4. Don't embarass us off the field.

Because he played every game with his full ability, he had some supporters, even during the contract issues in preseason. But there is only so much you can take. Philly sports fans are probably the most loyal and knowledgable ones out there. We'll name multiple children after winning teams - just ask the Stanley Cup Flyers teams from the 70's who are still getting drinks for free at any bar in town. Just keep your mouth shut about a succesful organization.

Until last week, I still held out hope he would play next year. Now, my biggest hero is the pizza delivery guy who left the tip on the doorstep since he felt Owens was more in need of the money to feed his family than his own.

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Redlemon

Hmm, doesn't sound like an apology to me. "May have been negative" translates to "I'm sorry that you have such a thin skin, and can't take an insult, you jerk".

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Borla

Or......"this is me saying sorry if it will bail me out of the current predicament."

If the Eagles organization accepts this apology, they lose all my respect.

TO going on about it being "painful" for him to be in this situation.........what a jackass.

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spectre

Wow, his agent didn't exactly take questions either. As much of a pain as TO was before, Rosenhaus (sp?) made him worse. I think he's the single worst thing to ever happen to the NFL.

But back to TO. His appology was too little, too late. You can't shit on your team and your teammates and expect them to want you around. If I was McNabb, I would've asked for him to have more crossing routes over and would've put the ball high enough for him to have to reach for it. A couple shots in the ribs by linebackers and maybe he would've gotten the hint.

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**giggle**giggle**chuckle**Snort**GUFFAW!!!

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As we (hopefully) say farewell to TO's career, I'd like to drop a quote in from the Fark Super Bowl thread:

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pan6467

I remember when Pete Rose was my favorite player and I switched to being a Phillies fan. Back in 1980 they were at their peak in a way I have not seen any other sports town since.

Between 1979-81, I believe, they had won the World Series, the Stanley Cup, the NFC, and the 76er's lost to the Lakers in the NBA finals.

Since then, Philly truly hasn't been much of a threat to win anything (they may have a team go somewhere for a year then fall apart the next)..... but those few years were glorious......

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