My Problem with the NHL's new rules - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

Kubz18 · 07-13-2005, 06:29 PM

i know that they offically havent been accepted but i was reading the new "potentional"(im a great speller) rule changes and the one that i have a problem with the most is that now they want to add 2 more teams to each playoffs making a total of 20 teams in the playoffs. it was bad enough that 16 of 30 teams in NHL and also 16 of 32? for the NBA make the playoffs...the major problem i have with this is playoff boredom...critics and myself think the playoffs as great as they are are waaaayyyy toooo long... look at the nba playoffs this year i was extremely bored with it, each team had the chance to play 28 games(1st and 2nd round conf finals and nba finals) thats over a 3rd of the regular season.....ook sorry im getting off track with the nba....

anyway i think the NHL has some serious issues if there going to "reward" the 20th best team in the league at the end of the season with a playoff birth...its like when you played sports in middle school and everyone would get a ribbion even if you finished last....anyone else remeber getting a green "participation" ribbion?
so yes even you Columbus Blue Jackets have a chance to make it to the playoffs...

why even have an NHL regular season when 66.6% of the league makes "the playoffs"....why should 30 teams play 82 games over several months just to eliminate 10 teams...it just doesnt make sense

ok summary since i really went off on that one

1. NHL shouldnt even have 16 teams in the playoffs not to mention the new plan for 20

2. why play such a long season to only eliminate 33% of the teams

3. this will overall lower the glory of making to the playoffs

4. playoffs will be 2 months to long

any of your comments are welcome

i know this should be a happy day since the NHL will actually have a season next year....and im happy but this just hit a nerve

Coppertop · 07-13-2005, 07:10 PM

I've always felt that the NHL should follow the MLB/NFL pattern. One team from each division and a wild card per conference. Eight teams in the playoffs each year, no matter how many teams there are in the entire league. It will also solidify intradivision rivalries, of which there aren't currently many in the NHL.

But then there's less money to be made that way, so it won't happen.

absorbentishe · 07-13-2005, 07:13 PM

Ugh... That's a pretty bad change. They should be looking at making the playoffs better. If this is in effect, they had better cut the season by 4 - 8 games.

Kubz18 · 07-13-2005, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Coppertop

I've always felt that the NHL should follow the MLB/NFL pattern.

well your right mostly the NFL has the best playoff system in pro sports and they have the best ratings for any sporting event the reason is because there playoffs are exciting and the "one and done" system is very fan friendly compared to the whole lets see who can be the first to 4 wins over a period of 2 weeks.....BORING....

with baseball they having the all star game determine home field was a great move but combined with the red sox winning and the cubs doing well 2 years ago baseball playoffs have revived themselves.....but still nothing compared to the NFL

Doctor_Max · 07-14-2005, 08:05 PM

I personally dislike the NFL system because you can have fluke wins more often. For longer seasons like the NHL, NBA and MLB, series are a must. You can't play 82 games to have your post season hopes be "one and done".

As for the 20 teams, that's just bad. This is comming from a fan of a team who would really benefit from this. There's no way teams that are worse than .500 should be in the playoffs.

dylanmarsh · 07-15-2005, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Coppertop

But then there's less money to be made that way, so it won't happen.

We have a BINGO!

Coppertop hit it right on the head. The NHL lost a year's worth of revenue and now HAS to explore other options to recover that money to make the NHL economically viable. I can see them having this playoff system in place for a few years and then magically the commissioner decides to revert back to the old system.

The NHL needs money and also needs to win the fans back in the non-hockey cities like Miami, San Jose, etc. This new playoff system seeks to do just that.

Kubz18 · 07-15-2005, 02:32 PM

do you really think that im going to get excited to see #1 seed (dallas,colorado or whoever) play against the columbus blue jackets or whoever slips into that #10 playoff spot i mean come on

NHL fans should not stand for this load of shit
playoffs will be longer more dragged out more boring than ever....

i understand the whole need new inventive ways of getting fans back but this is rediculious

fyi NHL made 2.1billion in the 2003-2004 season....
somehow they think they will make 1.7 billion in revenue
well first they need to get a major cable media contract....

spongy · 07-15-2005, 04:41 PM

if they have 10 teams per conference in the playoffs, the most logical way would be to have the 2 highest seeds get byes in the first round.. just like the wild card round in the NFL playoffs.

whiplash13 · 07-16-2005, 08:17 PM

I agree there need to be changes in the NHL but they are going about it the wrong way. My ideas for changes:

Get rid of the red line.
Get rid of icing.
Shrink the goalie pads.
Tie game goes to a 5 on 5. If game is still a tie it goes to a shoot out. I would even go with 4 on 4 and then shoot out if its still tied.
Get rid of the 1 point for a tie during regulation.

Kubz18 · 07-19-2005, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by whiplash13

I agree there need to be changes in the NHL but they are going about it the wrong way. My ideas for changes:

Get rid of the red line.
Get rid of icing.
Shrink the goalie pads.
Tie game goes to a 5 on 5. If game is still a tie it goes to a shoot out. I would even go with 4 on 4 and then shoot out if its still tied.
Get rid of the 1 point for a tie during regulation.

well i think most of those rules will be up for discussion when the players meet to sign the agreement on friday, maybe not icing though, i think if only one rule is going to be changed i want the shrink the goalie pads to pass, im sick of seeing these fairly immoblie goalies(immoblie because there pads take up the entire net) with all these giant pads on...and also stop making the crease bigger that is the worst idea the nhl ever had

stichtongue · 07-19-2005, 05:53 PM

Adding to the playoffs is rediculous.
If they are trying to copy the NBA to make the NHL more marketable to the American public, then they are in for a huge surprise.

To make the game more marketable, they need to increase scoring to make it more watchable on TV (where ALL of the money is), not adding more games to an already long playoff second season.

Heck, having a shoot out to avoid ties would peak my interest. Not these horrible OT bore fest, or even the 8 OT playoff games that end the middle of the next day.

I would love to see the NHL thrive... but they are way off from where they need to be right now.

Kubz18 · 07-20-2005, 05:13 PM

i was talking to one of my hockey friends at work and he suggested an interesting(but hilarious and unrealistic) way to solve ties

OT starts 4v4 for the first 3min
then 3v3 for the next 3min
2v2 for the next 3min.....and if theres no scoring after that go
1v1 till its over

it would be exciting to watch, but its way to out there for hockey....but i would watch every hockey game just waiting to see it go to 1v1

stichtongue · 07-22-2005, 11:54 AM

I'd watch it that way. It would remind me a bit more of wrestling... which is what the NHL has more or less disintigrated into the last few years anyway!

Seriously though... not a bad idea.

stevo · 07-22-2005, 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kubz18

i was talking to one of my hockey friends at work and he suggested an interesting(but hilarious and unrealistic) way to solve ties

OT starts 4v4 for the first 3min
then 3v3 for the next 3min
2v2 for the next 3min.....and if theres no scoring after that go
1v1 till its over

it would be exciting to watch, but its way to out there for hockey....but i would watch every hockey game just waiting to see it go to 1v1

That's one of the most ingenious ideas I've heard. I second the motion.

silent_jay · 07-22-2005, 02:14 PM

I love that idea, much better than the shoot out they're going to have now. I can't believe they got rid of the redline too. Not really happy about those two changes, shoot outs means the game is going to be won by luck and nothing else, and two line passes just means more people are going to be sitting at the redline or beyond, I hope those two changes don't stick around too long.

stichtongue · 07-23-2005, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by silent_jay

shoot outs means the game is going to be won by luck

And there I was thinking that there was some skill associtated with a shoot out.

It will add more excitement, more viewership, more money from a TV package, leading to financial security for the support.

silent_jay · 07-23-2005, 04:51 PM

Not a whole lot of skill involved in a shootout, more luck than anything in my opinion at least.

I don't see how a shootout is going to offer the league financial security and as for the viewers and money from a TV package, I guess time will tell, but as for myself, I'd like the rules to go back the way they were and stop screwing around with the game that is what would make me watch.

Tempboy · 07-25-2005, 05:55 AM

the shootouts are just about a cheap thrill.. I guess thrills = more fans?

Scorps · 08-10-2005, 09:17 AM

The only ones I don't like is the new icing rule and the no redline......the icing is dumb, a person will ice the puck to get a line change now if he can't do that wtf are they going to do?

MikeSty · 08-10-2005, 10:42 AM

Yeah, screw all those rule changes. Pretty stupid.

Here's what we need:

More shootouts
More penalty shots

and most of all

More people kicking the crap out of other people (none of that McSorley crap, i'm talking knuckledusting) ... w00t

Scorps · 08-10-2005, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeSty

Yeah, screw all those rule changes. Pretty stupid.

Here's what we need:

More shootouts
More penalty shots

and most of all

More people kicking the crap out of other people (none of that McSorley crap, i'm talking knuckledusting) ... w00t

Like Domi's old days

Dengar · 08-10-2005, 04:10 PM

I agree. 20 teams is just way too much. Even 16 is alot. One team per confrence and maybe two wild cards would be good.

I am a big fan of the reduced golie pad size though. Ever since i saw a comparison of the pads they used when gordie how played and they pads they use nowadays i have been a big advocate for smaller pads.

MikeSty · 08-10-2005, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Pain Train

Like Domi's old days

Hells yes. Domi and Scott Stevens, boy was that fun!

07-13-2005, 06:29 PM	#1 (permalink)
Kubz18 Crazy Location: Austin....Austin, Massachusetts	My Problem with the NHL's new rules i know that they offically havent been accepted but i was reading the new "potentional"(im a great speller) rule changes and the one that i have a problem with the most is that now they want to add 2 more teams to each playoffs making a total of 20 teams in the playoffs. it was bad enough that 16 of 30 teams in NHL and also 16 of 32? for the NBA make the playoffs...the major problem i have with this is playoff boredom...critics and myself think the playoffs as great as they are are waaaayyyy toooo long... look at the nba playoffs this year i was extremely bored with it, each team had the chance to play 28 games(1st and 2nd round conf finals and nba finals) thats over a 3rd of the regular season.....ook sorry im getting off track with the nba.... anyway i think the NHL has some serious issues if there going to "reward" the 20th best team in the league at the end of the season with a playoff birth...its like when you played sports in middle school and everyone would get a ribbion even if you finished last....anyone else remeber getting a green "participation" ribbion? so yes even you Columbus Blue Jackets have a chance to make it to the playoffs... why even have an NHL regular season when 66.6% of the league makes "the playoffs"....why should 30 teams play 82 games over several months just to eliminate 10 teams...it just doesnt make sense ok summary since i really went off on that one 1. NHL shouldnt even have 16 teams in the playoffs not to mention the new plan for 20 2. why play such a long season to only eliminate 33% of the teams 3. this will overall lower the glory of making to the playoffs 4. playoffs will be 2 months to long any of your comments are welcome i know this should be a happy day since the NHL will actually have a season next year....and im happy but this just hit a nerve __________________ "I have no idea whats going on"

07-15-2005, 02:32 PM	#7 (permalink)
Kubz18 Crazy Location: Austin....Austin, Massachusetts	do you really think that im going to get excited to see #1 seed (dallas,colorado or whoever) play against the columbus blue jackets or whoever slips into that #10 playoff spot i mean come on NHL fans should not stand for this load of shit playoffs will be longer more dragged out more boring than ever.... i understand the whole need new inventive ways of getting fans back but this is rediculious fyi NHL made 2.1billion in the 2003-2004 season.... somehow they think they will make 1.7 billion in revenue well first they need to get a major cable media contract.... __________________ "I have no idea whats going on"

07-15-2005, 04:41 PM	#8 (permalink)
spongy Psycho	if they have 10 teams per conference in the playoffs, the most logical way would be to have the 2 highest seeds get byes in the first round.. just like the wild card round in the NFL playoffs. __________________ The man in black fled across the desert, and the gunslinger followed. Stephen King

07-19-2005, 05:53 PM	#11 (permalink)
stichtongue Upright Location: St Louis, MO	Adding to the playoffs is rediculous. If they are trying to copy the NBA to make the NHL more marketable to the American public, then they are in for a huge surprise. To make the game more marketable, they need to increase scoring to make it more watchable on TV (where ALL of the money is), not adding more games to an already long playoff second season. Heck, having a shoot out to avoid ties would peak my interest. Not these horrible OT bore fest, or even the 8 OT playoff games that end the middle of the next day. I would love to see the NHL thrive... but they are way off from where they need to be right now. __________________ - Family Physician. Got a quick question, PM me! HTH

07-20-2005, 05:13 PM	#12 (permalink)
Kubz18 Crazy Location: Austin....Austin, Massachusetts	i was talking to one of my hockey friends at work and he suggested an interesting(but hilarious and unrealistic) way to solve ties OT starts 4v4 for the first 3min then 3v3 for the next 3min 2v2 for the next 3min.....and if theres no scoring after that go 1v1 till its over it would be exciting to watch, but its way to out there for hockey....but i would watch every hockey game just waiting to see it go to 1v1 __________________ "I have no idea whats going on"

07-13-2005, 07:10 PM	#2 (permalink)
Coppertop Getting Medieval on your ass Location: 13th century Europe	I've always felt that the NHL should follow the MLB/NFL pattern. One team from each division and a wild card per conference. Eight teams in the playoffs each year, no matter how many teams there are in the entire league. It will also solidify intradivision rivalries, of which there aren't currently many in the NHL. But then there's less money to be made that way, so it won't happen.

07-13-2005, 07:13 PM	#3 (permalink)
absorbentishe Boy am I horny today Location: T O L E D O, Toledo!!	Ugh... That's a pretty bad change. They should be looking at making the playoffs better. If this is in effect, they had better cut the season by 4 - 8 games.

07-14-2005, 08:05 PM	#5 (permalink)
Doctor_Max Tilted Location: North Carolina	I personally dislike the NFL system because you can have fluke wins more often. For longer seasons like the NHL, NBA and MLB, series are a must. You can't play 82 games to have your post season hopes be "one and done". As for the 20 teams, that's just bad. This is comming from a fan of a team who would really benefit from this. There's no way teams that are worse than .500 should be in the playoffs.

07-16-2005, 08:17 PM	#9 (permalink)
whiplash13 Tilted	I agree there need to be changes in the NHL but they are going about it the wrong way. My ideas for changes: Get rid of the red line. Get rid of icing. Shrink the goalie pads. Tie game goes to a 5 on 5. If game is still a tie it goes to a shoot out. I would even go with 4 on 4 and then shoot out if its still tied. Get rid of the 1 point for a tie during regulation.

07-22-2005, 11:54 AM	#13 (permalink)
stichtongue Upright Location: St Louis, MO	I'd watch it that way. It would remind me a bit more of wrestling... which is what the NHL has more or less disintigrated into the last few years anyway! Seriously though... not a bad idea. __________________ - Family Physician. Got a quick question, PM me! HTH

07-22-2005, 02:14 PM	#15 (permalink)
silent_jay Her Jay Location: Ontario for now....	I love that idea, much better than the shoot out they're going to have now. I can't believe they got rid of the redline too. Not really happy about those two changes, shoot outs means the game is going to be won by luck and nothing else, and two line passes just means more people are going to be sitting at the redline or beyond, I hope those two changes don't stick around too long. __________________ Absence makes the heart grow fonder

07-23-2005, 04:51 PM	#17 (permalink)
silent_jay Her Jay Location: Ontario for now....	Not a whole lot of skill involved in a shootout, more luck than anything in my opinion at least. I don't see how a shootout is going to offer the league financial security and as for the viewers and money from a TV package, I guess time will tell, but as for myself, I'd like the rules to go back the way they were and stop screwing around with the game that is what would make me watch. __________________ Absence makes the heart grow fonder

07-25-2005, 05:55 AM	#18 (permalink)
Tempboy Insane Location: The Red Mile	the shootouts are just about a cheap thrill.. I guess thrills = more fans?

08-10-2005, 09:17 AM	#19 (permalink)
Scorps Lost!! Location: Kingston, Ontario	The only ones I don't like is the new icing rule and the no redline......the icing is dumb, a person will ice the puck to get a line change now if he can't do that wtf are they going to do?

08-10-2005, 10:42 AM	#20 (permalink)
MikeSty The Computer Kid :D Location: 127.0.0.1	Yeah, screw all those rule changes. Pretty stupid. Here's what we need: More shootouts More penalty shots and most of all More people kicking the crap out of other people (none of that McSorley crap, i'm talking knuckledusting) ... w00t

08-10-2005, 04:10 PM	#22 (permalink)
Dengar Crazy	I agree. 20 teams is just way too much. Even 16 is alot. One team per confrence and maybe two wild cards would be good. I am a big fan of the reduced golie pad size though. Ever since i saw a comparison of the pads they used when gordie how played and they pads they use nowadays i have been a big advocate for smaller pads.