Context. If I go to listen to George Carlin, I expect obscenities. If I rent porn, I expect naked bodies and penetration. If I watch a football game, I'd like the players to show at least some respect toward each other and the audience. Sure, call it the No Fun League if you wish, the XFL sure didn't last.

It's kind of obvious, but those acts are presented in an adult forum to people who expect adult themes and generally any vulgarities are part of a joke, not the joke. Those acts most certainly would not be presented at halftime of an NFL game.

Gimme a damn break, if you can't handle a little trash talk or taunting don't watch the game. I'm a fan of football and love to see the antics of the players. If I wanted a "class" sport I'd watch croquet or lawn bowling with my grandma. And it's funny to say it's "classless" when you're sitting in the crowd dropping f'bombs and slurping at your beer. If the opposing team is taunting you, get the ball back and score a touchdown to shut them up. This is a game where testosterone and adrenaline is going.

/endrant

People who want to be offended generally never have a problem finding a way to get offended. I'll admit that moss' celebration wasn't classy, but then again, i don't watch football out of the need to be exposed to class. I watch football because it is entertaining. I watch randy moss because he makes the game exciting. I don't care what he did after this particular touchdown, because after most of them he "classlessly" gives the ball to a handicapped child sitting on the sideline. I don't really care about that either, but it just goes to show you how the media loves controversy.

I am also not sure how football, a sport where people are payed obscene amounts of money to commit organized violence against eachother, is somehow a family thing. Is anyone honestly claiming that, out of all of the things that go on at a football game, emulation of endzone celebrations is the worst thing a child could mimic? I would think it would be any number of violent acts that occur quite regularly in the course of the game.

But as long as we're criticising celebrations, i'm going to go out on a logically consistent limb and say that anyone who has ever celebrated a birthday, or new year's eve, or even a touchdown scored by their team is a classless individual. C'mon, there are probably children around here somewhere, act like you've been there.( ;) )

Here the part about this that I do not like. Everyone here has said it doesn't offend them, but there were kids watching this game too. How many of you would like to see this act repeated in a pop-warner game? Kids do what they see, even when there are responsible adults around to talk to them about sportsmanship. But they do what they see, not what they hear. Chrales Barkley used to say "I am not a role model." NEWS FLASH - as a professional athlete, wether you like it or not, you are a role model. Kids want to be you. You don't think when they line up to play footbal in the street one of them is going to say "I'm Dante Culpepper, you be Randy Moss."
If you don't want your 7 yr old doing it, then don't do it on the field. Like it or not Randy Moss is a role model to lots of kids, and now they think this is an appropriate thing to do after they score a touchdown! :(

Because YOU have the choice to see them or not. I love Carlin, find him a very funny man, therefore I spend money to see him. But some may find him obscene and choose not to spend their money to see him.

However, sports is supposed to be primarily family entertainment where you go to see competitors play to the highest level they can. You pay to see good sportsmanlike conduct (hopefully and in a perfect world) and to be entertained without vulgarity.

Personally, what Moss did does not bother me, HOWEVER, people paid money to take their kids to see a game, not juvenile immature selfish acts.

A player wants to dance in the end zone.... big deal.... a player wants to antagonize fans and mock them in these days where fans and athletes have apparent hatred towards one another is wrong. Sports as a whole needs to become more fan AND family friendly.

Like I said perhaps what Moss did wasn't that big BUT the next guy will push a little further and the next will push that further until someone does moon, or defecates or pisses on the field. You have to put a stop on it, before that happens.

I couldn't agree more - My parting shot "Hey Randy - NICE HAIR..."

i think the media is blowing it out of proportion. perhaps there's a disconnect between the generations... a generation gap if you will. i see it as good fun. hell, people pay a ton of money to go watch a game (when you take into account the ticket price, sub/cab/parking fare, eating).
i mean, is the nfl going to have mooning go the way of the "slit your throat" gesture? is ray lewis' dance ok? if so, why?

the media controls what we see via the live game, the replays, the highlights, and the commentary. if they don't continue to make a point about it, there isn't really a point. if the player, in this case moss, gets asked about it before he steps off the field (by pam oliver), again in the locker room (espn staff), and then sees the replay all over the news the next few days, why wouldn't he continue to do it?

idk... i didn't see the play live, but i don't think it's that big of a deal.

don't get me wrong, moss isn't perfect, but what nfl player is? what person is? the media can spin it anyway they want... notice, how jake plummer's middle finger incident wasn't as big a deal as this. one is completely obvious (plummer's finger), and one is perceived (moss' mooning) but the 'analysts' /'gurus' talk about it in completely different ways:

terry bradshaw (fox) said that moss should be fined, that he makes a lot of money and the nfl should take a lot of it away to teach him a lesson.
tom jackson (espn) said moss has done so many things that nothing's going to get through to him, he thinks he's bigger than the game, and he'll no longer talk about it.

i don't remember what was said about jake giving the middle finger to the crowd, but they definitely weren't talking about to that extent. hell, jake plummer was only fined 5 grand... but people are talking about fining moss 50,000 and/or suspension. give me a break!

to me, the bottom line is that if you don't want to see a celebration, keep the dude out of the end zone. perhaps it's me, but i guess jake plummer has something that randy moss does not (take that comment where you will)...

How is football good family entertainment?

so, jake plummer gives the fans the middle finger, and is fined $5,000...

randy moss pretends to moon the crowd, and is fined $10,000...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playof...ory?id=1966180

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...x.html?cnn=yes

Ha, I just read a great article that pointed out this little tidbit: Brett Favre is lucky Randy Moss did that or a lot of the stories would be about his absolutely fabulous 4 interception performance, easily his biggest choke of the year.

After reading all your posts, and agreeing/disagreeing with you, GOD DAMMIT it makes me so frustrated how nobody at the NFL reads these forums. If only one of the NFL head honchos actually used their heads and thought about incidents like this, instead of just doing shit to please the FCC and try and make themselves look like they are promoting fucking Disneyland.

Shit, I'm just waiting for the Superbowl Halftime show, whats it gonna be after last year, Hillary Duff and Clay Aiken?

Edit: Well, at least I just learned (thank god) that I was wrong with my SB Halftime predictions. Paul McCartney probably won't sound like Ashlee Simpson, and Alicia Keys isn't bad. However, it's funny how they did the now commonplace American Idol thing by adding Josh Gracin, "an up and coming country music SUPERSTAR(??!!) who first appeared on American Idol 2." ...alrighty then. Good thing for football games, or the American Idol winners/finalists/semifinalists/quarterfinalists/contestants wouldn't have anywhere to perform.

And as if that isn't bad enough, Eric Barton hit Drew Brees in the head with his forearm and was only fined $7,500.

So, is what exactly is the message the NFL is trying to send here? You're better off assaulting a QB than to do an end zone celebration? :rolleyes:

yes, favre's performance was swept under the rug.
alicia keys and paul mccartney should be good.



forgot to mention that! idk, it's weird and inconsistent to say the least.

Every cheese-head that moons the oppossing teams departure should be charged 10k as well. This fine is such utter bullshit.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playof...ory?id=1966180

Great, looks like he's learned his lesson. :rolleyes:

Classic...

I also wonder why there wasn't more to do about the fight late second quarter after the late hit. Farve looked like he threw the first punch...which i was actually quite happy about. There are fewer things on a football field softer than the quarterback's hand. if he wants to go punching... :)

but i did half expect some fines for that one...on the vikes side, too.

That's why i love randy moss. His provocations are priceless.

Yeah, Whats not to love about someone threatening to pull his dick out and shake it in public? You have to admire that. :thumbsup:

I love the fact that he can say shit like that and people take him seriously. I love the constant give and take between randy moss and the people who can't resist jumping over everything the man does. I just get the feeling that randy moss says things like this just to piss people off. Without fail, there is always a certain portion of the sporting world who love to humor him by getting pissed off.

Even if he did shake his wang, it would still be comedy gold.

Its a personality issue, and Im sure he would feel its a racial issue as well.

There was a similar unfairness regarding Shockey and TO last season.

And in terms of the "its the children" argument... it was nothing more than toilet humour, I can remember being a child, and from my own experience, I cant think of a 6 year old child you doesnt say or act far worse things when no adults are about.

Moss is an idiot, besides the fact he can not speak (or use what little intelligence that he has, if any), doesn't care about anything. The Minnesota fans should be allowed to walk past him and hit him in the nuts to the tune of his IQ level, which for him actually helps him out in that so-called fantasy.

So much for all the cockiness... hard to be cocky when you are dropping passes. Glad I won't be seeing his face again until next season!