Randy Moss scores touchdown and moons the crowd...
 

Just another example of how the post touchdown celebrations are getting out of control. Act like you've been there...


What do you think?

I laughed... but to be clear to people who didn't see it, he didn't *actually* moon the crowd, just did the motions as if he was going to moon them.

Surprised there wasn't an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty, however.

It's funny you start this thread as I was about to post about it regarding Joes idiot comment of this is "disgusting" and "classless"......please, big fucking deal. This is football, who cares if he PRETENDS to moon the crowd, it's not like he is hurting anyone. As long as the celebrations don't become excessively long, I couldn't care less how they want to celebrate. I'm glad Moss did it, it was a nice TD too.

Ditto, Thats why they need to have all the rules that make people call it the N..o F...un L..eague. If not for the strict rules, imagine the scene. He probobly would have actually dropped his drawers while flipping off the crowd.

Well I thought it was a little stupid, but i mean... It's Randy Moss, what do you expect?

the guy is a fucktard... but a talented fucktard

i don't really care at this point. it's only a big deal because people make a big deal out of it. i mean, i'm not saying that if you ignore it, it will go away, because it won't. but if people didn't make a big fuss over this type of stuff, i think that atheletes might do it less.

or, how about this: since people seem to dislike this extra-curricular celebration, why don't the networks not show it? as soon as a guy gets a touchdown, go to a different camera. or show a replay of the run/catch. there are ways to get around this stuff, but honestly, i don't think that enough people really care that much for anything to change.

it was stupid...but the crowd was riding him pretty bad the entire time. all the signs and shit telling him to leave early...i think they just got it tossed back a little.

that, and Harris losing a gimped Moss is just plain dumb...pack fans should take things up with him first.

I remember the good old days when Thurman Thomas would just hand the ball to the ref after he scored...

i think joe was not as disgusted as he acted to be...i think he pretended like he was a lot more revolted than he really was. and i think he did this to start this exact argument, and to bring it to the top of the scene, and so hes at the center of it. i know it doesnt really work that way and that his soundbits will probably not be used all that much, but thats the feeling i got from it...its like he was trying to say it even when he didnt need to.

Yeah, and the other announcers were trying to get back to the TD and this idiot just kept going on with "disgusting" and "classless" and bla bla bla....

Buck is an incredibly annoying announcer, he fits the stereotype in every aspect. Go back to baseball and stay there jackass, you're an annoying moron.

I'm a Vikings fan, and as a Packer hater, just like the rest of us Vikings fans, but I also am a sensible fan. While at the time I found it funny, and as I sit here and think about it more, really, are you suprised at Randy Moss' antics? It's Moss, he's almost as big an idiot on the field as Owens.

Get used to it, it's Moss. It's not that BIG a fuckin' deal as the media and Packer fans want it to be.

I think some sportscasters invent controversy to make themselves feel important. If you don't get offended at the violence of football, i don't know how you can get offended at a mildly rude, yet humorous gesture.

Yes, that's the way a "Professional Athlete" should be. I think its very classless and unsportsmanlike to show up the opposing team after you score. Now I don't mind the spur of the momment spiking of the ball out of excitement, but these contrived and premeditated acts after a touchdown are ridiculous. The best thing I ever saw was when Terrel Owens was a 49er and he ran out to the star in Dallas Stadium, and a Cowboy ran up and clocked him. And I am a 49er fan. I thought Terrible Owens should have gotten his block knocked off for that. But then again, the retaliation was unsportsmanlike as well.

Just be a professional, hand the ball off, and go get ready to do it again. We all saw you do it the first time, you don't need to rub it in!

I totally agree, I think Joe Buck sucks as an announcer. He harps on pointless bullshit so many times during the course of a game. I just muted it for a few minutes earlier in the game, I was sick and tired of listening to him. I think he sucks at baseball too, I would die to have Joe Morgan and his buddy from ESPN do the World Series.

I thought he was saying "Please FCC, please don't fine us, we didn't intend for that to happen". It sounded pretty pathetic to me.

And, I think Moss should be fined for this. What's his dance for next week, pretending to jack off at the crowd?

As a Packer fan (yes, even after the way the played yesterday), I can also say "who cares"? Go out, play and have some fun. I thought it was funny. It would have been better if it was done by someone you would expect to act like that. Now Favre pretending to moon the Vikings bench would have been hilarious but after throwing all of those interceptions, maybe the fans should have mooned him instead. (Yes, I'm still a fan. Just an unhappy one).

im a viking fan, a randy moss fan and I didn't think the faux Mooning was that big a deal. Joe Buck was acting like he pulled his pants down and flashed the fans.

Like in baseball they dont she fans running across the field, so do the same in football. Dont show the TD celebrations, if they are so tight. If it was such a horrid act, why dedicate so much time on post game shows talking about it..

on another note, the players should start doing celebrations as a whole team lol...11 dudes out there doing an mini SOUL Train line lol

I'm not the greatest football fan in the world, but something like that definately makes the game more interesting for me. Yeah, it's childish, but the very nature of the game is competition, which is a very basic human instinct. He did it in the spirit of competition. I think anyone who is offended by that stuff should be lobotomized.

I think they should fine moss as soon as they start fining and removing fans who have a tendency to do things that are a great deal more offensive than pretending to moon someone. I guarantee that whatever moss did was the result of 3+ hours of putting up with drunk belligerent witless taunting from any one of wisconsens finest. More often than not, moss celebrates his touchdowns by giving the ball to one of the handicapped fans who get seats near the endzone or by jumping into the stands. I've never heard an announcer mention anything about something like that, though. I wonder why?

I know i'm not the first person to say it, but i find is especially ironic that a FOX commentator would find something like this in bad taste. Hello? Temptation Island? Who's Your Daddy?

I think, despite how the media tries to portray him, moss is actually seems to me like a pretty decent guy. I think most of his controversies are the result of him being too honest for his own good. Maybe he realizes the complete absurdity of his situation and enjoys sitting back and lauging at all of the people whose attention he can capture with a simple g-rated gesture.

Ok, let me get my pen...
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Nope, I still think this shoudn't be a part of the game. Jump up and down, smile, whatever, but when you get into choreographed dancing and taunting, I think you have gone over the line.

Not a big deal. This country is getting way too sensitive about stuff like this.
Football is entertainment, no matter how much the media and some fans want to make it out to be some grand game of the gods. I thought what Moss did was pretty darn entertaining even if it was disgusting to those who love being disgusted.

Well, it was not exactly a classy thing to do. I think the problem, however, is that people think so highly of these figures. The truth is, many of them are rich, but they are not high class.

I think Moss knew that it was going to be controversy when he did it. So, why didn't he just avoid doing it? That is a question that will probably never be answered. I can't same I blame the NFL either. It's private and the owners and league associates can call the shots as they see fit. I really do respect the NFL on a certain level for not giving up some of their values as other sports seem to be doing.

On the flip side, what kind of values do you really expect on the field? It's football. You eat your pizza, drink your beer, and watch the game. It's not exactly a high class sport in principle.

Exactly. It's these guys' frickin' jobs to score, get a sack, interception etc. They act like they've reinvented the wheel or something. I guess I should start doing dances at my desk when I accomplish mundane tasks here at work. It's ego, pure and simple. They need to grow up. :rolleyes:

First of all, my NFC super bowl pick has already been eliminated, and its a damn shame.

As for Moss: I didn't find anything wrong with it. It's just a celebration, it's not like he went into the stands and hit someone. Joe Buck was stupid with his over the top commentary on how disgusted he was. I found myself saying "God shut the fuck up" to the TV. The other guys were trying to get back to the great read/throw by Culpepper. On ESPN, the Jets coach mentioned how the Packers fans moon the visiting teams bus. Moss was just repaying them, like he said, "I don't forget shit."

The way I look at it, he didn't hurt anyone. Let's just be happy he releases his emotions with silly antics instead of violence. Besides, we won't see much more of the Vikes, they will lose this week.

I think you people expect too much from your professional athletes. Celebrations have become part of the game, deal with it. It is just an extension of the extreme self importance of everyone involved with the sport. I think most football t.v. announcers a morons, but it's part of the game. I think pouring gatorade on a coach, especially in green bay in january, is a little silly, but it's part of the game. I think if bret farve turned out to be a child molester most national sports journalists would still have a hard time not hanging off of his nuts. It's stupid, but it's part of the game.

The point is that, unless you're going to stop watching football all together, you should stop acting shocked and dismayed but something that has been a part of football for decades. If i may borrow the phrase: Act like you've seen it before. Because you have. And you keep coming back for more.

Not me. Don't watch football. And this is one very good reason as to why. Nyah, nyah. :D

i thought it was funny, but its gonna cost him some dough. not that he does not have enough anyway. moss puts his foot in his mouth everytime he speaks, but damn that dude can catch a football.

Don't bet on it. Philly has come to rely on Owens too much and now that he is gone, they are not going to do shit. Besides, chances are they would lose the conference game like usual anyway ;). My money is on the Vikes.

These guys are athletes. But, really I think it's important to realize they are entertainers first. As long as they are not completely obscene or violent, there really is not much of a problem. I think the only problem is like with the NBA. Taunting and entertaining seems to have turn in to show-boating. As much as fans want to see their favorite player shine, it becomes annoying when the sport becomes about the player. The sport is still about the fans. When it isn't and situations happen like this past olympics, fans get pissed. The same goes for the Detroit/Pacers fight. Had the cup been thrown without players attacking back, other fans would be more outrages.

I think that is something the NFL is trying to do and why Moss and other people get fined for their actions no matter how stupid the actions seem. Players definitely do become big. However, I don't think they want to see their players becoming bigger than the sport. Because, afterall, the fans really do love the sport/entertainment not just the individual players.

i love my vikes, and even i don't have that kind of faith.

i'll watch, and i'll hope...but i've got too many concerns about our defense to pull things off against philly.

we were hungry for that win with the previous matchups and the history of it all...i don't know how the team thinks about the eagles. we're going to have to want it really bad.

It's fun watching guys dance around after they make a great play, providing their team isn't still losing.

What Moss did on Sunday was pure release for him, and kinda entertaining. It didn't offend me nearly as much as a couple seasons ago when he admitted that he'll basically play when he feels like it. Or when he shoved his car into that traffic cop. That's the stuff to get worked up over.

I think Buck and the after game FOX crew, Brown, Long, Johnson and Bradshaw, all said how disgusting it was for one reason, FEAR OF THE FCC.

Perhaps a couple of them were truly upset, but my gut instinct is that they were truly worried what the FCC may do. Which is sad.

It's like anything in life that is truly tasteless and done for attention. If you ignore it, don't comment and move on then it proves not to be a big deal and noone will say anything (except maybe those holier than thou religious freaks, that somehow believe it was taught by Christ to control politics that seem to have Bush's ear).

I wasn't shocked and I know it was done by an egomaniac, in what he considered fun. However, I do believe the NFL needs to take a stance now that the FOX crew made this an issue, and nip this in the bud.

For this act is like anything else, if let go someone else will sooner or later push the envelope further and actually "moon" the crowd, or do a faux crap, or fake masterbation ... etc. So a line of good taste for FAMILY entertainment does need to be drawn.

I would just like to point out, in light of all the kids who were scarred by randy moss' simu-crapping, that this is a great opportunity to convey to your children the true meaning of sportsmanship. This is a teaching opportunity, just like many other instances where reality encroaches on the sheltered world of children. The fact is that kids are going to see things like this eventually. Better they do so with responsible parents present to help them interpret things apprpriately.

I think we should just leave Randy Moss alone. If he doesn't get any attention, then his stunts will get worse and worse. Maybe he'll just 'dance' himself right out of a job. Just in the last few months there have been soccer players in England 'fired' because of off-the-field crap. Do you think an owner or coach would have the guts to do that to someone as talented as Moss?

Here's a thought for the Packers. If you don't want him to do insanely stupid things after he scores, DON'T LET HIM SCORE!!!!! Jeeze, take the pass interference penalty, grow some balls and just hit the man. Don't go jump ball with him because he wins that game, just hit the schmuck. Next time he comes over the middle, add a little extra to your hit and make him think twice about it next time he hears footsteps.

Was the celebration stupid? Yeah, but it is Randy Moss, you can't be seriously surprised by this. Suspending him is a dumb idea, you're gonna suspend someone for a childish end zone celebration, but you're not gonna suspend Donovan Darius for endangering the life of another human being? Uh huh...Anyways :rolleyes: way too much hubub being generated about this guy. Granted, would I want him on my team? No, I think he's a disease, but that's my personal opinion of the guy, and that aside, there's way too much of a deal being made about this. Hmmmm, perhaps if we stopped making such a big deal about these celebrations and didn't show them all the time on TV, the players would stop doing them...

three words. No Fun League.

He isnt hurting anyone, he's just having some fun cos he was excited to score. Fans can scream and yell abuse at players, a player so much as thumbs his nose at the fans and gets a fine... its a joke.

Apparently the cheese-heads moon the opposing teams bus as well (except for real).

I think anyone who takes offense to this has no idea about the rivalry between my beloved Viqueens and the Pack. I'm glad Moss did it.

I also loved it when they came back from commercial after the touchdown and you saw Moss yelling at the crowd "Scoreboard Motherfuckers" as he pointed out the 17-rip lead we had.

Superfreak.

I didn't see it shown on tv, but read in the paper that he also went over and pretended to wipe his ass on the goalpost after his faux moon. For the life of me I can't see how people can find this " funny" or "entertaining". Chris Rock, funny. George Carlin, funny. Adam Sandler, mildly humorous. Dante Culpepper tossing a T.D. pass to Randy Moss, entertaining .Randy Moss faux mooning, then pretending to wipe his ass on the goalpost, anything but funny or entertaining. But hey, thats just me.
I also read that it is sort of a tradition for the Cheeseheads to moon the departing teams bus. I guess that may explain Moss's motivation somewhat. But I still think it was a classless act that should be fined, if for no other reason than to prevent it from escalating to even worse actions.

I think Crhis Rock and George Carlin both have acts that feature things that would be considered more "Obscene" than Randy Moss' childish TD celebration. Why shouldnt they be censored too, and first?

Context. If I go to listen to George Carlin, I expect obscenities. If I rent porn, I expect naked bodies and penetration. If I watch a football game, I'd like the players to show at least some respect toward each other and the audience. Sure, call it the No Fun League if you wish, the XFL sure didn't last.

It's kind of obvious, but those acts are presented in an adult forum to people who expect adult themes and generally any vulgarities are part of a joke, not the joke. Those acts most certainly would not be presented at halftime of an NFL game.

Gimme a damn break, if you can't handle a little trash talk or taunting don't watch the game. I'm a fan of football and love to see the antics of the players. If I wanted a "class" sport I'd watch croquet or lawn bowling with my grandma. And it's funny to say it's "classless" when you're sitting in the crowd dropping f'bombs and slurping at your beer. If the opposing team is taunting you, get the ball back and score a touchdown to shut them up. This is a game where testosterone and adrenaline is going.

/endrant

People who want to be offended generally never have a problem finding a way to get offended. I'll admit that moss' celebration wasn't classy, but then again, i don't watch football out of the need to be exposed to class. I watch football because it is entertaining. I watch randy moss because he makes the game exciting. I don't care what he did after this particular touchdown, because after most of them he "classlessly" gives the ball to a handicapped child sitting on the sideline. I don't really care about that either, but it just goes to show you how the media loves controversy.

I am also not sure how football, a sport where people are payed obscene amounts of money to commit organized violence against eachother, is somehow a family thing. Is anyone honestly claiming that, out of all of the things that go on at a football game, emulation of endzone celebrations is the worst thing a child could mimic? I would think it would be any number of violent acts that occur quite regularly in the course of the game.

But as long as we're criticising celebrations, i'm going to go out on a logically consistent limb and say that anyone who has ever celebrated a birthday, or new year's eve, or even a touchdown scored by their team is a classless individual. C'mon, there are probably children around here somewhere, act like you've been there.( ;) )

Here the part about this that I do not like. Everyone here has said it doesn't offend them, but there were kids watching this game too. How many of you would like to see this act repeated in a pop-warner game? Kids do what they see, even when there are responsible adults around to talk to them about sportsmanship. But they do what they see, not what they hear. Chrales Barkley used to say "I am not a role model." NEWS FLASH - as a professional athlete, wether you like it or not, you are a role model. Kids want to be you. You don't think when they line up to play footbal in the street one of them is going to say "I'm Dante Culpepper, you be Randy Moss."
If you don't want your 7 yr old doing it, then don't do it on the field. Like it or not Randy Moss is a role model to lots of kids, and now they think this is an appropriate thing to do after they score a touchdown! :(

Because YOU have the choice to see them or not. I love Carlin, find him a very funny man, therefore I spend money to see him. But some may find him obscene and choose not to spend their money to see him.

However, sports is supposed to be primarily family entertainment where you go to see competitors play to the highest level they can. You pay to see good sportsmanlike conduct (hopefully and in a perfect world) and to be entertained without vulgarity.

Personally, what Moss did does not bother me, HOWEVER, people paid money to take their kids to see a game, not juvenile immature selfish acts.

A player wants to dance in the end zone.... big deal.... a player wants to antagonize fans and mock them in these days where fans and athletes have apparent hatred towards one another is wrong. Sports as a whole needs to become more fan AND family friendly.

Like I said perhaps what Moss did wasn't that big BUT the next guy will push a little further and the next will push that further until someone does moon, or defecates or pisses on the field. You have to put a stop on it, before that happens.

I couldn't agree more - My parting shot "Hey Randy - NICE HAIR..."

i think the media is blowing it out of proportion. perhaps there's a disconnect between the generations... a generation gap if you will. i see it as good fun. hell, people pay a ton of money to go watch a game (when you take into account the ticket price, sub/cab/parking fare, eating).
i mean, is the nfl going to have mooning go the way of the "slit your throat" gesture? is ray lewis' dance ok? if so, why?

the media controls what we see via the live game, the replays, the highlights, and the commentary. if they don't continue to make a point about it, there isn't really a point. if the player, in this case moss, gets asked about it before he steps off the field (by pam oliver), again in the locker room (espn staff), and then sees the replay all over the news the next few days, why wouldn't he continue to do it?

idk... i didn't see the play live, but i don't think it's that big of a deal.

don't get me wrong, moss isn't perfect, but what nfl player is? what person is? the media can spin it anyway they want... notice, how jake plummer's middle finger incident wasn't as big a deal as this. one is completely obvious (plummer's finger), and one is perceived (moss' mooning) but the 'analysts' /'gurus' talk about it in completely different ways:

terry bradshaw (fox) said that moss should be fined, that he makes a lot of money and the nfl should take a lot of it away to teach him a lesson.
tom jackson (espn) said moss has done so many things that nothing's going to get through to him, he thinks he's bigger than the game, and he'll no longer talk about it.

i don't remember what was said about jake giving the middle finger to the crowd, but they definitely weren't talking about to that extent. hell, jake plummer was only fined 5 grand... but people are talking about fining moss 50,000 and/or suspension. give me a break!

to me, the bottom line is that if you don't want to see a celebration, keep the dude out of the end zone. perhaps it's me, but i guess jake plummer has something that randy moss does not (take that comment where you will)...

How is football good family entertainment?

so, jake plummer gives the fans the middle finger, and is fined $5,000...

randy moss pretends to moon the crowd, and is fined $10,000...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playof...ory?id=1966180

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...x.html?cnn=yes

Ha, I just read a great article that pointed out this little tidbit: Brett Favre is lucky Randy Moss did that or a lot of the stories would be about his absolutely fabulous 4 interception performance, easily his biggest choke of the year.

After reading all your posts, and agreeing/disagreeing with you, GOD DAMMIT it makes me so frustrated how nobody at the NFL reads these forums. If only one of the NFL head honchos actually used their heads and thought about incidents like this, instead of just doing shit to please the FCC and try and make themselves look like they are promoting fucking Disneyland.

Shit, I'm just waiting for the Superbowl Halftime show, whats it gonna be after last year, Hillary Duff and Clay Aiken?

Edit: Well, at least I just learned (thank god) that I was wrong with my SB Halftime predictions. Paul McCartney probably won't sound like Ashlee Simpson, and Alicia Keys isn't bad. However, it's funny how they did the now commonplace American Idol thing by adding Josh Gracin, "an up and coming country music SUPERSTAR(??!!) who first appeared on American Idol 2." ...alrighty then. Good thing for football games, or the American Idol winners/finalists/semifinalists/quarterfinalists/contestants wouldn't have anywhere to perform.

And as if that isn't bad enough, Eric Barton hit Drew Brees in the head with his forearm and was only fined $7,500.

So, is what exactly is the message the NFL is trying to send here? You're better off assaulting a QB than to do an end zone celebration? :rolleyes:

yes, favre's performance was swept under the rug.
alicia keys and paul mccartney should be good.



forgot to mention that! idk, it's weird and inconsistent to say the least.

Every cheese-head that moons the oppossing teams departure should be charged 10k as well. This fine is such utter bullshit.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playof...ory?id=1966180

Great, looks like he's learned his lesson. :rolleyes:

Classic...

I also wonder why there wasn't more to do about the fight late second quarter after the late hit. Farve looked like he threw the first punch...which i was actually quite happy about. There are fewer things on a football field softer than the quarterback's hand. if he wants to go punching... :)

but i did half expect some fines for that one...on the vikes side, too.

That's why i love randy moss. His provocations are priceless.

Yeah, Whats not to love about someone threatening to pull his dick out and shake it in public? You have to admire that. :thumbsup:

I love the fact that he can say shit like that and people take him seriously. I love the constant give and take between randy moss and the people who can't resist jumping over everything the man does. I just get the feeling that randy moss says things like this just to piss people off. Without fail, there is always a certain portion of the sporting world who love to humor him by getting pissed off.

Even if he did shake his wang, it would still be comedy gold.

Its a personality issue, and Im sure he would feel its a racial issue as well.

There was a similar unfairness regarding Shockey and TO last season.

And in terms of the "its the children" argument... it was nothing more than toilet humour, I can remember being a child, and from my own experience, I cant think of a 6 year old child you doesnt say or act far worse things when no adults are about.

Moss is an idiot, besides the fact he can not speak (or use what little intelligence that he has, if any), doesn't care about anything. The Minnesota fans should be allowed to walk past him and hit him in the nuts to the tune of his IQ level, which for him actually helps him out in that so-called fantasy.

So much for all the cockiness... hard to be cocky when you are dropping passes. Glad I won't be seeing his face again until next season!