11-21-2004, 03:26 PM | #81 (permalink) |
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Here we go folks, the verdicts are in (courtesy ESPN):
Ron Artest: suspended for remainder of season Stephen Jackson: 30 games Jermaine O'Neal: 25 games Anthony Johnson: 5 games Reggie Miller: 1 game Ben Wallace: 6 games Elden Campbell: 1 game Chauncey Billups: 1 game Derrick Coleman: 1 game Maybe a little harsher than expected, but probably justified. O'Neal's 25 games suspension may be the biggest surprise, given it seemed as if his activity was only on the court.
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11-21-2004, 03:43 PM | #82 (permalink) |
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I think O'Neal should have gotten a few less, but not much. That fan was on the court, yes, but he didn't hit anyone and didn't even taunt O'Neal. That punch was killer though, phew. He MUST be a street fighter fan.
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11-21-2004, 04:19 PM | #83 (permalink) | |
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11-21-2004, 06:53 PM | #85 (permalink) | |
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11-21-2004, 08:04 PM | #87 (permalink) |
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Well, I guess an example had to be set. Condolences to the Pacers fans anyway. To go from a Championship contender to just another team has gotta hurt. I wonder if the Pacers will keep Artest next year or trade him; the whole city, the fans, the season ticket holders, the Owner, Management, Reggie, have got to be Royally Pissed Off. It's unfortunate all the way around.
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11-21-2004, 10:06 PM | #88 (permalink) |
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The NBA fucks up again.
Artest and Jackson should have their suspensions switched. O'Neal should get half that, and switch THAT with Wallace. And apparently there is no penalty to the Pistons fans as a group, which there should be to set an example. Go Terps! Fuck the NBA! *Goes back to watching REAL basketball*
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11-21-2004, 10:25 PM | #89 (permalink) |
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Well, this majorly sucks if I'm an Indiana fan. Fortunately, I'm not.
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11-21-2004, 10:49 PM | #90 (permalink) | |
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And I've gotta agree with bawanaal on Fark.com said: "For all the trolling asshats out there that are ripping Detroit, this could have happened in any city. Remember Cleveland throwing hundreds of beer bottles at players and refs at a Browns game a couple of years ago? The iceball throwing incidents in NY not long ago? There was rioting in Denver after the Stanley Cup. You had NASCAR fans pelting the track with debris at Tallagega this summer. There is now a dead woman in Boston for chrissakes... So look in your own backyards as well. This is ALL on Artest. I have no idea how anyone can defend him. "
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11-21-2004, 10:52 PM | #91 (permalink) |
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Wow! I thought the NBA was way to harsh with Artest. He did nothing at first only after being douced with beer from the crowd did he react. I also think that Ben Wallace who by my account can easily be seen as the guy who initiated this whole debacle got off way to easy when compairing his suspension to that of Artest, Jackson, and O'Neal. I can't see how the NBA could justify giving him only 6 games when the others are out for 25, 30, and the season.
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11-21-2004, 11:48 PM | #92 (permalink) |
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Wallace had no idea that Artest would run into the stands and start a riot. I think the fines and penalties were fair, even though Jackson could've been given the season along with Artest. The emotions were up from the rivalry, and anyone watching the game realizes that Artest just went off the handle. Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I think Artest knew he was going to get suspended, so he could promote his rap album. Everything just kind of snowballed and got waaaaaaay out of control.
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11-22-2004, 01:02 AM | #96 (permalink) | |
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11-22-2004, 05:36 AM | #97 (permalink) |
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If the wacko Artest doesn't go in the stands, nothing happens! Hockey players and football players get beer thrown at them all the time, what they do is get security and have the a-hole thrown out.....happens all of the time in cities other than Detroit (believe it or not). As far as Wallace being the blame, give me a fucking break, anyone who knows basketball know you don't throw a hard foul with 45 seconds left in the game when your winning by 17.
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11-22-2004, 06:10 AM | #98 (permalink) |
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You must be forgetting when Tie Domi had a beer thrown at him while in the penalty box. The fan fell in, and Domi fought him. I forget how long he was suspended for, but it sure wasnt a whole season.
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11-22-2004, 08:39 AM | #99 (permalink) | |
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I can't complain witht the suspensions, since I didn't expect anyone to be banned for life. What I like about the whole deal is the suspension without pay. That means Artest forfeits $5.5 mil, Jackson looses something like $1.4 mil and O'neil is out $4.5 mil. Ha Ha Ha, I hope it was worth it. |
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11-22-2004, 08:45 AM | #100 (permalink) |
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i think jackson got off light. to me, he was the worst one in this whole thing. i think he should have gotten a season suspension as well. i don't blalme artest for what he did but a player can never go into the stands. if there is a problem then the player should have the fan removed or arrested. it's a shame there haven't been any arrests made because, like the players, the fans need to be taught a lesson in this as well. there should be severe consequences for people throwing things or running onto the field. these actions can not be tolerated and i wish an example could have been set here.
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11-22-2004, 08:53 AM | #101 (permalink) |
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I've been a Pacer fan since they were in the ABA. I've never been so embarassed at to admit that more then now. I've always thought Artest would be a problem but never to this extreme. While I admit the fans were wrong, if Detroit would've had sufficient security this might have been avoided. Artest and others should've never gone into the stands. With that being said...Detroit got off way too easily imo as far as suspensions. If you're gonna send a message...then send a BIG one to both the teams and the entire NBA. Pacers were wrong..no doubt about that, but Detroit was also.
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11-22-2004, 09:25 AM | #102 (permalink) | |
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Ben Wallace pushed artest after getting punched in the back of the head. He did not charge into the stands, he did not do anything else (other than throw a towel), and when things got rough, he backed off. His punishment is on par with other similar situations in the past. Do you think, if Artest hadn't charged into the stands, that Ben would have gotten 6 games still? I don't. As far as O'Neal goes, he made the decision to go and drill a guy on the court that didn't do anything to him. He was not provoked, and he also apparently hit someone off camera, on top of that. His suspension maybe have been a little rough, but to switch with Ben Wallace? Please. You MUST be a Pacers fan. And, if you had payed any attention, Stern made sure to point out "This is just part of the punishment in relation to the player's conduct. The police are still investigating pressing charges to the fans" or something along those lines.
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11-22-2004, 09:52 AM | #103 (permalink) | |
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Here's an artical from the Kansas City Star by Jason Whitlock. Everyone should read it.
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11-22-2004, 11:21 AM | #104 (permalink) |
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Question is, why did these guys have beer at that late a time in the game. Must of been still selling it. So blame the Piston's management.
Ron Artest wanted time off for his rap album. The easiest way to get is was to get suspended. I think he might have bitten off more than he can chew. He probably should get jail time. It is also time for ESPN to clean up thier act. They are as much at fault for promoting this shit. Should cut off beer sales at the end of halftime. But I suppose they have to sell it at $7.00 a pop to pay the saleries of these over priced buffoons. I don't even watch the NBA of free TV. |
11-22-2004, 11:26 AM | #105 (permalink) |
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i don't know if i buy the white fan base rejecting the nba because of the "black style of play."
people who watch basketball aren't exactly rednecks to begin with. if the players of today played "whiter" it would be even more boring. most non-black players are interesting because of their novelty, not really their style. and discouraging fighting is not a way to attract the nascar crowd, either. focusing on fundamentals instead of showing off is what happens in women's ncaa. sure there is room for some skill improvement but is that really going to change the audience? even though the lakers were a poor team last year, didn't their star power bring more revenue than the "good fundamentals" pistons? i don't watch the nba because college basketball is more exciting. but if i knew that artest was playing tomorrow, i'd watch. |
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11-22-2004, 12:26 PM | #107 (permalink) |
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Give me a break. Wallace had nothing to do with what happend after the shove. If the fans aren't mature enough to not get involved, thats on them. Wallace is not at fault for Artest and Jackson flying into the stands, and O'Neals sucker punch.
The suspensions are fine just the way they are. I can't stand the fact you want Wallace punished for somthing he had no control over. Yes, he deserved to be punished for the shove, but not the after effects. The conflict was a moot point and almost done deal till the beer went flying. Thats when it got out of control. I watched the whole thing, and Wallace wasen't involved at all after the shove and the clearing. And even then, no punches were thrown until the fans got involved. |
11-22-2004, 01:01 PM | #108 (permalink) |
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http://complabs.nevada.edu/~kiml4/in...makers.net.wmv
This link works as of right now. Full video.... EDIT: Looks like the damn thing is dead already. I will leave it up in case it comes back online.
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11-22-2004, 01:16 PM | #109 (permalink) | |
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And I agree that Artest should be banned for life and probably O'Neil too. They have absolutely no excuse for their behavior. If they are going to act like petty thugs, then they should be treated like one. Why were there no arrests being made? One fan left the game in an ambulance for chistsake! If anyone else in the world would have caused bodily harm like that to another person they would have been arrested. And I'm sorry, but I do not think that getting a beer thrown in your fact is any reason to go beat the shit out of someone. You can just dump all your arguments about "what would you do", and "it's only human nature to defend..." Blah, blah, blah... We are not animals that are controlled by instinct. We have an intellect (or at least some of us do) that can overrule our base reactions. Artest was the whole reason this thing happened. If he hadn't committed that bullshit foul, then there wouldn't have been a shove, and there wouldn't have been a bench clearer and there wouldn't have been any reason for the fan to throw the beer in the first place. It can all be traced back to Artest acting like a total dick. PERIOD. And it's not like he hasn't done it before. He has been suspended many times in the last two years for what could be considered "unsportsmanlike like conduct"... oh, but I forgot... sportsman like conduct doesn't have any place in sports anymore. Does anyone out there remember when basketball was a game of skill and finesse? When ANY contact between players was a foul. When traveling was actually called? The game used to have integrity. Now it's just a bunch of thugs out there paying street ball. Just my opinion, but one I feel is shared by many people. But in the end, I do think the NBA should take some responsibility for it. Only because they let this kind of shit takes place. As many people above have pointed out, Rodman, Shak, etc. have done almost as bad with little or no punishment. Are we then surprised when we finally have something like this occurring? No. We are not. It is simply another day in professional sports. And frankly, I think it quite offensive that anyone would think that this sort of behavior is "cool", or that this event was "awesome". I think it is one of the worse events in American professional sports, and I hope the league and players take a hard look at what they have become.
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11-22-2004, 03:50 PM | #111 (permalink) |
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I think what we are fed up with is primadonna athletes thinking they are immune from public punishment or regulations.
It's so easy for a "journalist", like Whitlock, to fall back on the race card. It's a weak and pathetic argument. Fact is, the athletes that went into the stands and began fighting the everyday Joe's, are immature, over-zealous morons that happen to be black. Whitlock, once again, has failed to capture the true pathos of the situation. |
11-22-2004, 04:18 PM | #112 (permalink) |
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All the punishments that were already given were fine. They were all in the wrong. Detroit as a city and the team still need a serious punishment.
They should be forced to play all their games either on the road for the rest of the season or at home in front of empty seats. For the next 3 years after fans are allowed back, no beer sales. After that beer sales doubled indefinately to pay for the apparently necessary security for that stadium. Fuck Pro basketball though. Can't stand it. The Primadonnas need a goddamned salary cap to bring the sport as a whole back to earth. On a side note, can't wait for the Lions Turkey Day game against the Colts. That should be a hoot and a half! Last edited by Superbelt; 11-22-2004 at 04:21 PM.. |
11-22-2004, 08:21 PM | #115 (permalink) | |
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Everyone that says Artest never shoulda went in the stands in crazy. I'll leave it at crazy because I can't use the words I want to use. To the people that say he should have done nothing... I would love to meet each and every one of you just so I could throw a cup of beer in your face because I know you won't do shit.. Even after I laugh in your face afterwords. Wallace shoulda got suspended longer. He was acting like a dick over a weak ass foul. If anyone shoulda been suspended for the season it shoulda been Jackson. He was acting crazy. Personally, I like Artest even more now. Fuck the NBA. Just so people know. Weak lazy bullshit fouls like the one Artest gave Wallace happen multiple times a game. If you don't realize that then you know jack shit about hoops. Most people don't react like Wallace did. Another thing, fans love to hate Artest because of his personality. This isn't the first time that fans have thrown shit at him. The NBA never did a thing to the fans who have thrown shit at him before. Maybe if the NBA/teams would punish their fans this would've never happened. Artest should be allowed to beat the living shit out of any pussy in the stands that throws something at him. I don't give a shit how much money someone makes.. That doesn't give fans the right to abuse/shit on athletes. |
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11-22-2004, 08:26 PM | #116 (permalink) |
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Charles Barkley said this afternoon on PTI that, under those circumstances, he would have gone into the stands, too. However, he also said that he would tell Artest to learn from this situation and get help.
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11-22-2004, 09:19 PM | #117 (permalink) |
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I think Stern made a good business decision when he levied severe suspensions.
I don't really understand why people think think that what the players did was so egregious. These are large atheletes who play a physical and intense game. Tempers were heated, fans start throwing debris, shit got out out of hand. I am not condoning all the actions, but many of them are understandable. Especially once in the stands, it was a free for all. Shit went both ways, fans were engaging the players too. They didnt have their hands up and backs turned or anything. I saw video today showing Artest get a few shots to the head from the guy who yoked him up (the accused cup thrower) after Artest went after the young looking dude. Chairs flew,players went into the stands, fans stepped out onto the court ready to roll, players hit fans, fans hit players: blame chaos |
11-23-2004, 03:46 AM | #119 (permalink) | |
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Unsportsmanlike. Wallace said it himself, this is why he took exception. |
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11-23-2004, 04:03 AM | #120 (permalink) | |
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Anyway, you're welcome to come and throw beer at me, because I will do nothing. Behaving like a cave-troll because someone else is behaving like a cave-troll does not resolve the matter. I don't have to engage in self-defence from getting wet (and anyone who thinks they do has serious self-worth problems), so I won't be punching your lights out. If you're so cowardly that you want to throw beer at me from a distance because you're too scared of actual physical confrontation, then you're welcome to do so. To me, it's the same as name-calling and I will be the one laughing in your face. Mark Jackson and some of the other SportsCenter panel were laying the blame for this fiasco at the feet of the culture of "disrespecting" that is so prevalent in society today, where "self-defence" is engaged in not to protect one's body, but one's ego. I'd have to agree. I also don't understand why some people say that the Pistons have got off lightly in this whole episode. Ben Wallace's suspension was longer than has been handed out to players who actually threw punches previously. Chauncey Billups, Elden Campbell and Derrick Coleman were suspended for leaving the bench when Armageddon was erupting all around them. What were they supposed to do? Staple themselves to their seats so that they rioting public all around them couldn't remove them with crowbars? As far as I'm concerned, the only person who got off lightly was Stephen Jackson. |
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