The Buccaneers finally win! Simms or Griese? - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

GeePeeS'r · 10-10-2004, 01:06 PM

It's been a slow, sad season so far - mixed with big injuries and stupid penalties. But the Bucs finally get a win. Chris Simms looked great until he got hurt, and Griese looked damn good too.

Rumor is now that Brad Johnson has asked to be released or traded. I would hate to see him go since he led us to our first Superbowl less than 2 years ago, but it looks like the new guys had a spark that got the offense going.

Its too bad Miami can't get anything going. They are having QB problems as well.

The question for the Bucs now is who to start next week: Griese or Simms (assuming he is healthy)?

I still like Simms - stronger arm.

DDDDave · 10-10-2004, 02:15 PM

Griese's line - 16/19 for 194 and a TD. Brad hasn't had a game like that in a year.

I really think Brad has lost so much arm strength that he can't make the throws anymore. It changes his game. HE knows he cant make the throws.

I was all for the change to Simms and I agree he played good before he got hurt. He took them to a score on their opening drive. His rollouts on play action really stretch a defense, and he has a cannon. He throws 25 yd outs on a rope.

I guess we'll have to see how the shoulder heals before a final decision is made but I definitely think Brad's days are numbered. I think the team had lost confidence in him. They just seem to try harder with Chris in there.

Griese did not move outside the pocket at all, but the line protected him well. When flushed out, Griese just falls down or throws it away. Simms tries to make things happen, and does.

That being said the Saints defenders are not world beaters. But I'm watching the Rams defense now and man they really do suck. I'm hoping we can beat them on Monday night and get on a roll.

Oh, and how about Clayton? They guy is a stud.

GeePeeS'r · 10-10-2004, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DDDDave

Griese did not move outside the pocket at all, but the line protected him well. When flushed out, Griese just falls down or throws it away. Simms tries to make things happen, and does.

I think Simms might try a little too hard. Yes, it is a common rookie mistake, but it cost us the Seattle game. I wish he could have stayed in the entire game today. He needs the play time to learn to settle down and let his team work with him - not trying to do it himself. Hopefully he will be back next week. Now that we have shown that there is an offense there, it will take some pressure off him.
I agree that Griese doesn't move much, but I also think he has a good ability to read the field. Again, more experience will help him a lot.
I think we might be introuble as a team having 2 QB's that are so young with so much potential. Whichever one gets the starting spot for the season will likely stay for a while, and the backup will probably look elsewhere to be a starter.

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Oh, and how about Clayton? They guy is a stud.

Yeah, he has stepped up so far. I hope to see more passes to Charles Lee also. We got a hint of him last season a little bit, but he never got too many passes - only a few key ones. Today was the most I have seen him out there, and he looked good.

DDDDave · 10-10-2004, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by GeePeeS'r

I agree that Griese doesn't move much, but I also think he has a good ability to read the field. Again, more experience will help him a lot.
I think we might be introuble as a team having 2 QB's that are so young with so much potential. Whichever one gets the starting spot for the season will likely stay for a while, and the backup will probably look elsewhere to be a starter.

Griese is an experienced 7 year pro. He was Denver's starter for 4 years. He has 76 career TD passes. He has lots of experience.

He came to town to be a back-up. I'm sure he would rather be the starter but he knows that as a #2 QB in the NFL you are only one play away from starting.

Neither of these two guys are going anywhere.

Lockjaw · 10-10-2004, 05:14 PM

Griese will impress you with one or two games but he doesn't have it. I was so happy when Miami got him a couple of years back but then he started stinking up the joint something horrible so don't get seduced by him and his big numbers of which have sucked the last 4 years.

GeePeeS'r · 10-10-2004, 05:29 PM

Oh yeah. I forgot about the years in Denver. I knew he was in Miami - and had big hopes there. Either way, a win is a win, regardless of who is under center. Lets just hope Chris gets back in and picks up where he left off.

Glory's Sun · 10-11-2004, 06:16 AM

take it from a dolphins fan.. you DON'T want to go with Griese Simms looks good..

KMA-628 · 10-11-2004, 07:34 AM

*Snicker*-*Snicker*,

the Buc's have Griese

*Snicker*-*Snicker*

Yeah, he looks good and quickly disapoints. Also, not very good with teammates which causes a lot of problems down the road.

/Lives in Denver

tom12 · 10-13-2004, 07:26 PM

definately got to go with griese, he's a proven starter and he had a great game on sunday

Lockjaw · 10-13-2004, 07:56 PM

He's also a proven choke artist. Seriously go and look at his numbers in Miami and his last few years in Denver...he's not that good.
Season Team Att Comp Comp % Yards TD Int Rating
2001 Denver 451 275 61.0 2827 23 19 78.5
2002 Denver 436 291 66.7 3214 15 15 85.6
2003 Miami 130 74 56.9 813 5 6 69.2
That is horric numbers. Why you would risk your team to something like that I don't know.

rhapz · 10-13-2004, 08:12 PM

Griese is definetly the way to go. Though he has his problems, just look at his numbers against the Saints. Simms needs the rest anyways.

Lockjaw · 10-14-2004, 05:32 AM

You guys are falling into the backup QB trap everybody falls into. They always do this. One big game and then everybody wants them to be the starter. Look at those numbers you want a guy with a sub 70 passer rating QBing your team?

GeePeeS'r · 10-14-2004, 05:42 AM

QB ratings mean shit as long as you a mark in the W column.

But I think Simms will be the starter when he heals up. Obivously he is out for this week, but probably be back for Chicago at home. I also just here we signed another QB yesterday. Jason Garrett will be number 3 on the roster in Johnson #2.

Oh, and guess who might be coming back after the bye week???? Joe Jurevicius!!

Sippy · 10-14-2004, 07:06 AM

Griese sucks. He has a good game or two and then you will see him when pusses out under pressure, makes incredibly stupid turn-overs, and blames it all on his teammates. He has a accurate pretty pass but a wimpy arm that floats alot of gimmees to the NFL's fast defenses. Bottom line, he is an emergency back-up and that is all.

Harry Cox · 10-15-2004, 06:47 PM

Chrissy Simms is too fragile for flag football, let alone the NFL.

yoyoyobro · 10-17-2004, 03:08 PM

Simms had one if not the best preseason of any player this year yes it was the preseason but showed that he was worthy of a shot

grendel · 10-18-2004, 04:22 AM

I agree with all of the "Griese sucks" comments above. As has been said previously in this thread, he'll have a decent game every now and then, but overall isn't a guy you can count on. That said, he may be the still be best option for the Bucs to win right now.

GeePeeS'r · 10-18-2004, 02:01 PM

Hell, if you love weird stats, I heard that Griese's first start for every team he has played on has been a monday night game. And in each of those first-start-MNF games he has had, he has won. That being said, tonight is yet another one- first official start for the Bucs Monday Night at St. Louis.

*keeping fingers crossed*

DDDDave · 10-19-2004, 05:18 PM

Well, Griese looked great again on MNF. The Bucs didn't win but they should have. 4 turnovers and 2 missed field goals.

Gruden has already named Griese the starter for next weeks game against Da Bears, so I guess Simms will have to wait. If Griese keeps this up he will be the starter for the rest of the season. Of course, if they don't win a few, of them Gruden will put Simms in to get him some game experience.

Best news of all, McCARDELL TRADED TO SAN DIEGO. A third and a sixth round pick in this years draft. Now the questions will stop and the team can move on without him. Good riddance, if you can't find it in your heart to play for 2.5mil, you need to be somewhere else.

Go BUCS !!

Serpent · 10-19-2004, 10:22 PM

Question is, is johnson the next to go? Mabye for a decent WR

10-10-2004, 01:06 PM	#1 (permalink)
GeePeeS'r Crazy Location: Tampa, FL	The Buccaneers finally win! Simms or Griese? It's been a slow, sad season so far - mixed with big injuries and stupid penalties. But the Bucs finally get a win. Chris Simms looked great until he got hurt, and Griese looked damn good too. Rumor is now that Brad Johnson has asked to be released or traded. I would hate to see him go since he led us to our first Superbowl less than 2 years ago, but it looks like the new guys had a spark that got the offense going. Its too bad Miami can't get anything going. They are having QB problems as well. The question for the Bucs now is who to start next week: Griese or Simms (assuming he is healthy)? I still like Simms - stronger arm.

10-10-2004, 02:15 PM	#2 (permalink)
DDDDave Addict Location: Sarasota	Griese's line - 16/19 for 194 and a TD. Brad hasn't had a game like that in a year. I really think Brad has lost so much arm strength that he can't make the throws anymore. It changes his game. HE knows he cant make the throws. I was all for the change to Simms and I agree he played good before he got hurt. He took them to a score on their opening drive. His rollouts on play action really stretch a defense, and he has a cannon. He throws 25 yd outs on a rope. I guess we'll have to see how the shoulder heals before a final decision is made but I definitely think Brad's days are numbered. I think the team had lost confidence in him. They just seem to try harder with Chris in there. Griese did not move outside the pocket at all, but the line protected him well. When flushed out, Griese just falls down or throws it away. Simms tries to make things happen, and does. That being said the Saints defenders are not world beaters. But I'm watching the Rams defense now and man they really do suck. I'm hoping we can beat them on Monday night and get on a roll. Oh, and how about Clayton? They guy is a stud. __________________ I am just a simple man trying to make my way in the universe... "Go confidently in the direction of your dreams. Live the life you have imagined." - Thoreau "Nothing great was ever accomplished without enthusiasm" - Emerson

10-13-2004, 08:12 PM	#11 (permalink)
rhapz Upright Location: Houston	Griese is definetly the way to go. Though he has his problems, just look at his numbers against the Saints. Simms needs the rest anyways. __________________ yo rhapz is kickin it.wit lyrical hits.that'll take it right.up in yo sophagus.whats realer than this.as I.lace ya with some bis.mixed with some 'kiss.rappin down the way.with a lovely nade.runnin the block.with my 6 inch glock.eh what ya say."ay'one be rappin that shit all day?".I make beats.dont lace beats.as ya can see.with ya own optical imagery.hehe keystyles are fun

10-19-2004, 05:18 PM	#19 (permalink)
DDDDave Addict Location: Sarasota	Well, Griese looked great again on MNF. The Bucs didn't win but they should have. 4 turnovers and 2 missed field goals. Gruden has already named Griese the starter for next weeks game against Da Bears, so I guess Simms will have to wait. If Griese keeps this up he will be the starter for the rest of the season. Of course, if they don't win a few, of them Gruden will put Simms in to get him some game experience. Best news of all, McCARDELL TRADED TO SAN DIEGO. A third and a sixth round pick in this years draft. Now the questions will stop and the team can move on without him. Good riddance, if you can't find it in your heart to play for 2.5mil, you need to be somewhere else. Go BUCS !! __________________ I am just a simple man trying to make my way in the universe... "Go confidently in the direction of your dreams. Live the life you have imagined." - Thoreau "Nothing great was ever accomplished without enthusiasm" - Emerson

10-10-2004, 05:14 PM	#5 (permalink)
Lockjaw Junkie	Griese will impress you with one or two games but he doesn't have it. I was so happy when Miami got him a couple of years back but then he started stinking up the joint something horrible so don't get seduced by him and his big numbers of which have sucked the last 4 years.

10-10-2004, 05:29 PM	#6 (permalink)
GeePeeS'r Crazy Location: Tampa, FL	Oh yeah. I forgot about the years in Denver. I knew he was in Miami - and had big hopes there. Either way, a win is a win, regardless of who is under center. Lets just hope Chris gets back in and picks up where he left off.

10-11-2004, 06:16 AM	#7 (permalink)
Glory's Sun Registered User	take it from a dolphins fan.. you DON'T want to go with Griese Simms looks good..

10-11-2004, 07:34 AM	#8 (permalink)
KMA-628 ....is off his meds...you were warned. Location: The Wild Wild West	Snicker-Snicker, the Buc's have Griese Snicker-Snicker Yeah, he looks good and quickly disapoints. Also, not very good with teammates which causes a lot of problems down the road. /Lives in Denver

10-13-2004, 07:26 PM	#9 (permalink)
tom12 Tilted	definately got to go with griese, he's a proven starter and he had a great game on sunday

10-13-2004, 07:56 PM	#10 (permalink)
Lockjaw Junkie	He's also a proven choke artist. Seriously go and look at his numbers in Miami and his last few years in Denver...he's not that good. Season Team Att Comp Comp % Yards TD Int Rating 2001 Denver 451 275 61.0 2827 23 19 78.5 2002 Denver 436 291 66.7 3214 15 15 85.6 2003 Miami 130 74 56.9 813 5 6 69.2 That is horric numbers. Why you would risk your team to something like that I don't know.

10-14-2004, 05:32 AM	#12 (permalink)
Lockjaw Junkie	You guys are falling into the backup QB trap everybody falls into. They always do this. One big game and then everybody wants them to be the starter. Look at those numbers you want a guy with a sub 70 passer rating QBing your team?

10-14-2004, 05:42 AM	#13 (permalink)
GeePeeS'r Crazy Location: Tampa, FL	QB ratings mean shit as long as you a mark in the W column. But I think Simms will be the starter when he heals up. Obivously he is out for this week, but probably be back for Chicago at home. I also just here we signed another QB yesterday. Jason Garrett will be number 3 on the roster in Johnson #2. Oh, and guess who might be coming back after the bye week???? Joe Jurevicius!!

10-14-2004, 07:06 AM	#14 (permalink)
Sippy Upright	Griese sucks. He has a good game or two and then you will see him when pusses out under pressure, makes incredibly stupid turn-overs, and blames it all on his teammates. He has a accurate pretty pass but a wimpy arm that floats alot of gimmees to the NFL's fast defenses. Bottom line, he is an emergency back-up and that is all.

10-15-2004, 06:47 PM	#15 (permalink)
Harry Cox Insane	Chrissy Simms is too fragile for flag football, let alone the NFL.

10-17-2004, 03:08 PM	#16 (permalink)
yoyoyobro Tilted	Simms had one if not the best preseason of any player this year yes it was the preseason but showed that he was worthy of a shot

10-18-2004, 04:22 AM	#17 (permalink)
grendel Psycho	I agree with all of the "Griese sucks" comments above. As has been said previously in this thread, he'll have a decent game every now and then, but overall isn't a guy you can count on. That said, he may be the still be best option for the Bucs to win right now.

10-18-2004, 02:01 PM	#18 (permalink)
GeePeeS'r Crazy Location: Tampa, FL	Hell, if you love weird stats, I heard that Griese's first start for every team he has played on has been a monday night game. And in each of those first-start-MNF games he has had, he has won. That being said, tonight is yet another one- first official start for the Bucs Monday Night at St. Louis. keeping fingers crossed

10-19-2004, 10:22 PM	#20 (permalink)
Serpent Insane Location: florida	Question is, is johnson the next to go? Mabye for a decent WR