Texas vs OU this weekend number 2 vs number 5 - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

Lockjaw · 10-08-2004, 06:00 AM

So the big game around these parts every year is going to be the big game this week nationally. Who are you favoring? I'm hoping for a Texas win(their running game is awesome this year and Vince Young can throw when he needs to), but then again I hope for that every year.

Glory's Sun · 10-08-2004, 06:29 AM

I want Texas to win..but I'm pretty sure they're gonna get stomped

Sargeman · 10-08-2004, 08:26 AM

Vince Young is the QB now so UT has a chance to win this year.

Let's just forget about the last couple of years.

Hook 'em Horns!!

radioguy · 10-08-2004, 12:59 PM

Texas, of course....It took me 30 mins to drive home today because of the damn traffic coming from Oklahoma. i'm in a smaller town north of dallas and it normally takes me about 10 mins. Zero-U, as it's referred to around here, go home!!

goddfather40 · 10-08-2004, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Lockjaw

So the big game around these parts every year is going to be the big game this week nationally. Who are you favoring? I'm hoping for a Texas win(their running game is awesome this year and Vince Young can throw when he needs to), but then again I hope for that every year.

The big game nationally? Are you forgetting about #1 USC vs. #7 Cal this weekend? Both of these games have very similar implications on the national championship picture. I think the winner of these two games probably meet for the national championship.

sgn43 · 10-08-2004, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by goddfather40

The big game nationally? Are you forgetting about #1 USC vs. #7 Cal this weekend? Both of these games have very similar implications on the national championship picture. I think the winner of these two games probably meet for the national championship.

totally agree. I'm much more excited about USC/cal because it just seems like it'll be much more fun a game to watch. I have a feeling ou is going to continue their trend and just destroy ut again...mack brown just can't coach his way into the win column in the big ones, and stoops is gonna pull out another W.

Lockjaw · 10-08-2004, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by goddfather40

The big game nationally? Are you forgetting about #1 USC vs. #7 Cal this weekend? Both of these games have very similar implications on the national championship picture. I think the winner of these two games probably meet for the national championship.

Sorry but it is the big game. number 2 versus number 5 trumps number 1 versus number 7. Let's say both Cal and Texas lose this weekend. Cal drops out of the top 10. Texas will drop into the bottom half. Bigger stakes for Texas there. If OU and USC both lose this weekend...OU drops below Texas if USC loses they likely still won't be ranked below Cal. Bigger stakes for OU.
Also add into the fact the Texas/OU game is one of the longest running and most hotly contested rivalries in college football and it's unique in that it's played on a neutral field against a back drop of a gigantic state fare and I gotta wager that the Texas/OU game is a bigger game than USC versus Cal.
But I will be keeping an eye on the USC/Cal game as well. I'm hoping Cal does win and I hope my Horns take care of business tomorrow. If both of those happen UT just might get to see number 1 or at least number 2 and have a nice inside track to the championship game.

irateplatypus · 10-09-2004, 08:19 AM

the game just started... man, this is going to be a barnstormer. ou/texas is my most anticipated game of the year.

Seandq · 10-09-2004, 08:28 AM

It's classic every year. Texas fans go in the game pumped up but they lose every year.

Shizukana · 10-09-2004, 09:41 AM

The Red River Shootout has just as much of an impact on the national title this year as the USC vs. Cal game.

That said - OU just seriously messed up at the end of the first half... 3rd and goal and you spike the ball instead of running a play? Second and goal, you let your quarterback with two bad knees and bionic legs run the ball? Oooops.

Here's the "FG attempt" with a fast wide receiver as the ball holder... seems to be a pretty obvious fake but we'll see...

Kick's good... 3-0 OU. Surprisingly low scoring game thus far.

Lockjaw · 10-09-2004, 10:40 AM

Yeah well second half is showing what this game has been the last few years. Texas plays close but not well enough and always with this air of..."Who is gonna mess it up for everybody else?" Well...the morons just coughed the ball up in enemy territory after allowing two consecutives scores(thankfully just field goals but you know this is going to turn into a touch down). So...game over mid way through the 3rd quarter I turned it off because I was getting P.O.ed. Well congrats ya Okies...you get to rub it in our faces yet another year have fun at the BCS championship game.

Shizukana · 10-09-2004, 10:51 AM

Got picked off a few plays later by Texas though... Still 6-0 at the beginning of the 4th.

radioguy · 10-09-2004, 10:58 AM

make that 12-0, texas just can't do anything.....so long mack!

Glory's Sun · 10-09-2004, 01:01 PM

Mack won't go anywhere. Texas has improved big time under Mack. There was a stat in the game that had Texas as the 4th winningest team in the past 5 years. With OU being the first. Sure if the wins were flip-flopped it would be different BUT look at OU's track record in the past couple years. .. it'd be hard for anyteam to beat them..not just Texas. Mack is a good coach and if they do get rid of him.. Texas is gonna suck big time.

SirSeymour · 10-09-2004, 03:05 PM

This game is now played inside the heads of the UT players and coaches. Until they get it out and play it on the field OU will continue to win it.

Lockjaw · 10-09-2004, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by guccilvr

Mack won't go anywhere. Texas has improved big time under Mack. There was a stat in the game that had Texas as the 4th winningest team in the past 5 years. With OU being the first. Sure if the wins were flip-flopped it would be different BUT look at OU's track record in the past couple years. .. it'd be hard for anyteam to beat them..not just Texas. Mack is a good coach and if they do get rid of him.. Texas is gonna suck big time.

Mack isn't a good coach. He's lost dang near every big game he's been in since he's been in Texas.
Losing to OU the last 5 years...
Losing to Colorado when they had the Big 12 South handed to them a couple years back.
Losing to Arkansas two years in a row.

Mack is a good recruiter that's about it. And the more and more he keeps losing to OU the more and more that good talent will stop going to Texas.
Case in point he lost that Adrian kid to OU because it's becoming very evident Texas doesn't make the best usage of the talent they have. Texas talent wise is easily as talented as OU but they are coached in such a haphazard manner it makes me wonder some times.
The only thing that Texas would lose be getting rid of Mack is a good smooth talking offseason coach. They wouldn't lose a premier football mind. Frankly I'm kind of curious as to see what would happen if Steve Spurier showed up in Austin. A good recruiter and a coach with a good football mind. Heck Spurier would be perfect because he would also likely be able to tap a market OU isn't able to influence and that would be Florida. Can you imagine how good Texas would be if they started getting some of the best players in Texas and some of the better players in Florida.

farcryer · 10-09-2004, 05:51 PM

The Texas program has improved while Mack Brown has been there, but I think he's given too much credit for it. Texas gets some awesome playmakers, they help the school win 9-11 games, but they never seem to pull together as a team in the big games. Isn't that sort of the coach's job to make them do that? I think there are better coaches available than Mack, and while Texas probably won't get worse with him around, I don't think he'll hang a national championship on Bevo any time soon either. We need somebody to give the team more heart and less showboating Heisman candidates. Congrats to OU- again...

archer2371 · 10-09-2004, 07:39 PM

The offense was just plain inexperience, their wide receiver core, gone, when you lose Roy Williams, you lose a lot, but that goes without saying. The Texas Defensive Schemes have gotten better, and this year, they've been the best they have in a while. When you come into a game like that with a one-dimensional offense, you're going to lose, unless the Defense scores some major points for you. Think about this for a second all of you Mack Brown haters, how many times did Bobby Bowden lose to Miami before he started to win big? I believe it was at least five, if not more. This offense will only get better and more experienced as the season goes on, and the defense will remain the same, with only the loss of Derrick Johnson, I believe. My critique of Vince Young is this, his quirky throwing motion turns him into a 5'10" QB instead of a 6'10" QB that he should be, and, as much as he runs, he needs to learn better ball control, he puts it on the ground way too much. I say look for this offense to gel for an entire year, and then on October 8th, look for a Texas win.

Lockjaw · 10-09-2004, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by archer2371

The offense was just plain inexperience, their wide receiver core, gone, when you lose Roy Williams, you lose a lot, but that goes without saying. The Texas Defensive Schemes have gotten better, and this year, they've been the best they have in a while. When you come into a game like that with a one-dimensional offense, you're going to lose, unless the Defense scores some major points for you. Think about this for a second all of you Mack Brown haters, how many times did Bobby Bowden lose to Miami before he started to win big? I believe it was at least five, if not more. This offense will only get better and more experienced as the season goes on, and the defense will remain the same, with only the loss of Derrick Johnson, I believe. My critique of Vince Young is this, his quirky throwing motion turns him into a 5'10" QB instead of a 6'10" QB that he should be, and, as much as he runs, he needs to learn better ball control, he puts it on the ground way too much. I say look for this offense to gel for an entire year, and then on October 8th, look for a Texas win.

Sorry but I don't see how you can say this offense is going to gel when it's biggest weapon is going away next year. The problem is every year leaving the game people are like...well if the offense gels...or if we can fill in this hole on Defense then we will be good. But year come year go Oklahoma has an answer for it.
Seriously look at what that running back did to day and he's a freakin freshman. What's going to happen when he's bigger, more experienced and faster next year?
And Bowden's season wasn't in the toilet in October every year because he lost one game. Texas considering it cohabits with OU in the Big 12 South is screwed most times because if they lose in October against OU they have to have OU lose two more games to even have a chance at the Big 12 championship game. Texas could win out and they still won't have a shot even if OSU or A&M upset OU. That's how big this game is. That's how big this game will be until either school drops off or a playoff is set up. I really wouldn't care about losing to OU if it didn't mean that the champsionship hopes were all but dead because of it but unfortunately it does.

Jesus Malverde · 10-10-2004, 02:06 PM

This was UT's best chance to beat OU in a while. They might lose four more in a row. A lot of the defense is graduating this year, and with Adrian Peterson around for at least two more years, Texas has no chance.

The defense played outstanding today, even though they couldn't hold the long run that well, OU hit a wall every trip into the red zone. They (Texas' defense) must have been so frustrated with the ULTRA-conservative playcalling by the coaching staff until the game was in desperation time. Young wasn't getting the offense moving at all, would it have hurt egos too much to even try Chance Mock for a few series, especially after the turnovers?

Mack Brown is a weird coach. He doesn't coach to win, he coaches not to lose. I mean, this team hasn't had an offensive identity for 5 years. One week they are a power football team, the next they are a conservative, run on third and long team, and the next week they are a play-action, rollout passing team. They can't seem to figure out how to make their offense get into a rhythm, and that is a shame with the caliber of their defense this year.

Steve Spurrier would be an interesting candidate for the head coaching job. It wouldn't be an ugly change, since it would just be like a little "upgrade" at the head coach position. He's just as much of a "good old boy" as Brown so he will appeal to alumni/parents, and he's a phenomenal recruiter as well. And you know he would put beating OU at the top of his list; there are few coaches who prepare for rivalry games better than this man.

This loss might have hurt UT more than last year's blowout. It will be interesting to see how they bounce back.

Lockjaw · 10-10-2004, 05:42 PM

It did hurt and if you read between the lines...the team is getting tired of Mack Brown.
I was reading the Sports Page in the Dallas paper and looking at some of the quotes from the players it was like...these guys are tired of Mack's BS.
Let me go grab that paper so you can see the quotes...
Cedric Benson on the game....

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It's a great title fight and someone's got to fall," said Texas running back Cedric Benson. I guess they just had a better game plan."

That to me says pretty solidly that they are now questioning Mack Brown...he didn't say they got outplayed or the other side had more talent...they had a better game plan and the players don't game plan the coach does. Now one could say that's just coming from a senior who won't be there next year and is venting a bit.

Derrick Johnson...

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They just had a better game plan than we did..

The Vince Young quote...

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They did a lot of disguising that we hadn't seen before," Young siad. "They had some new things that weren't in our game plan."

When Mack was asked that very thing...."They didn't show us anything we hadn't seen before."

The three biggest players Texas has and they all question the game plan? Time for Mack to go bye bye. I'm almost wishing for an A&M win over Texas in a few weeks.
The losing to OU is almost becoming expected but if they get trashed by A&M(who I might add are looking a lot stronger than I expected them to look) then he will get booted. No way around it. And one can only hope that Spurier would come here.
Honestly I think he'd love Texas. We do have a school that has the last few years been able to attract good QBs(I think the current crop of QBs aren't being coached
properly but whatever)and receivers. We've always had good running backs(Earl Campbell,Priest Holmes,Ricky Williams(bastard), Cedric Benson). We've always had good linemen. So talent wise he should easily be able to impliment his high power offense easily. The defense goes through highs and lows but winning can cure that and Florida has good DBs that he could probably recruit. The more I think about it the more Steve MIGHT be the best fit for this thing. He has all the talents Mack Brown has plus he can actually coach.

cementor · 10-10-2004, 07:25 PM

As a SOONER Alum, this run has been great and I'm not sure it's over yet. Next year will bring a lot of interesting changes to both teams. OU will lose a Heisman winning QB that they haven't even utilized this year, but more importantly the O line will have a number of new faces and the wide reciever corp will look a lot different. For what it is worth, Mark Clayton in addition to being a great reciever is also a devastating (and I use the word purposely) blocker. The trenches were clearly dominated by OU. AP will be be challenged to be so dominant without those guys, though he is a truly special player. The defense likely won't drop off much. Texas loses Benson and Derrick Johnson. Those will be big shoes to fill. Especially Johnson, who I thought was misused in the past, but getting him outside and letting him use his athleticism was a big upgrade. The wide reciever corp will get better with time. I still think Texas would be better if they used Mock to give them some balance and put Young in the reciever corp. With his speed and size I think he'd be a very tough match up for any secondary. Enough of this. Another year of bragging rights, and a couple of pitchers of beer supplied by my UT workmates.

Boomer !!!

Jesus Malverde · 10-10-2004, 10:20 PM

Yeah, I remember watching ESPN and Cedric Benson actually said "they just have better coaching" (!!?!!???!!!)

I was think the same thing Lockjaw, I'm glad that someone else got the little hints that the players dropped (purposefully/accidentally?)

When the number one RB in the nation--who comes from territory you should own when it comes to recruiting--says "I chose OU because they win championships and develop their players better," its time to rethink things.

The only reason I care about Texas is because I grew up there. I still have my beloved ASU Sun Devils to cheer for this weekend against the bastards from LA, but I just had to comment on this whole UT/OU/Mack Brown deal.

10-08-2004, 06:00 AM	#1 (permalink)
Lockjaw Junkie	Texas vs OU this weekend number 2 vs number 5 So the big game around these parts every year is going to be the big game this week nationally. Who are you favoring? I'm hoping for a Texas win(their running game is awesome this year and Vince Young can throw when he needs to), but then again I hope for that every year.

10-08-2004, 08:26 AM	#3 (permalink)
Sargeman Insane Location: Texas	Vince Young is the QB now so UT has a chance to win this year. Let's just forget about the last couple of years. Hook 'em Horns!! __________________ ...because there are no facts, there is no truth, just data to be manipulated. I can get you any results you like, what's it worth to you.....

10-09-2004, 08:19 AM	#8 (permalink)
irateplatypus can't help but laugh Location: dar al-harb	the game just started... man, this is going to be a barnstormer. ou/texas is my most anticipated game of the year. __________________ If you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves. ~ Winston Churchill

10-09-2004, 09:41 AM	#10 (permalink)
Shizukana Insane Location: Plano, TX	The Red River Shootout has just as much of an impact on the national title this year as the USC vs. Cal game. That said - OU just seriously messed up at the end of the first half... 3rd and goal and you spike the ball instead of running a play? Second and goal, you let your quarterback with two bad knees and bionic legs run the ball? Oooops. Here's the "FG attempt" with a fast wide receiver as the ball holder... seems to be a pretty obvious fake but we'll see... Kick's good... 3-0 OU. Surprisingly low scoring game thus far. __________________ "The power of accurate observation is frequently called cynicism by those who don't have it." - George Bernard Shaw

10-09-2004, 10:51 AM	#12 (permalink)
Shizukana Insane Location: Plano, TX	Got picked off a few plays later by Texas though... Still 6-0 at the beginning of the 4th. __________________ "The power of accurate observation is frequently called cynicism by those who don't have it." - George Bernard Shaw

10-08-2004, 06:29 AM	#2 (permalink)
Glory's Sun Registered User	I want Texas to win..but I'm pretty sure they're gonna get stomped

10-08-2004, 12:59 PM	#4 (permalink)
radioguy Registered User Location: Texas	Texas, of course....It took me 30 mins to drive home today because of the damn traffic coming from Oklahoma. i'm in a smaller town north of dallas and it normally takes me about 10 mins. Zero-U, as it's referred to around here, go home!!

10-09-2004, 08:28 AM	#9 (permalink)
Seandq Tilted Location: Orlando, FL	It's classic every year. Texas fans go in the game pumped up but they lose every year.

10-09-2004, 10:40 AM	#11 (permalink)
Lockjaw Junkie	Yeah well second half is showing what this game has been the last few years. Texas plays close but not well enough and always with this air of..."Who is gonna mess it up for everybody else?" Well...the morons just coughed the ball up in enemy territory after allowing two consecutives scores(thankfully just field goals but you know this is going to turn into a touch down). So...game over mid way through the 3rd quarter I turned it off because I was getting P.O.ed. Well congrats ya Okies...you get to rub it in our faces yet another year have fun at the BCS championship game.

10-09-2004, 10:58 AM	#13 (permalink)
radioguy Registered User Location: Texas	make that 12-0, texas just can't do anything.....so long mack!

10-09-2004, 01:01 PM	#14 (permalink)
Glory's Sun Registered User	Mack won't go anywhere. Texas has improved big time under Mack. There was a stat in the game that had Texas as the 4th winningest team in the past 5 years. With OU being the first. Sure if the wins were flip-flopped it would be different BUT look at OU's track record in the past couple years. .. it'd be hard for anyteam to beat them..not just Texas. Mack is a good coach and if they do get rid of him.. Texas is gonna suck big time.

10-09-2004, 03:05 PM	#15 (permalink)
SirSeymour Ambling Toward the Light Location: The Early 16th Century	This game is now played inside the heads of the UT players and coaches. Until they get it out and play it on the field OU will continue to win it. __________________ SQL query SELECT * FROM users WHERE clue > 0 Zero rows returned....

10-09-2004, 05:51 PM	#17 (permalink)
farcryer Upright	The Texas program has improved while Mack Brown has been there, but I think he's given too much credit for it. Texas gets some awesome playmakers, they help the school win 9-11 games, but they never seem to pull together as a team in the big games. Isn't that sort of the coach's job to make them do that? I think there are better coaches available than Mack, and while Texas probably won't get worse with him around, I don't think he'll hang a national championship on Bevo any time soon either. We need somebody to give the team more heart and less showboating Heisman candidates. Congrats to OU- again...

10-09-2004, 07:39 PM	#18 (permalink)
archer2371 Sarge of Blood Gulch Red Outpost Number One Location: On the front lines against our very enemy	The offense was just plain inexperience, their wide receiver core, gone, when you lose Roy Williams, you lose a lot, but that goes without saying. The Texas Defensive Schemes have gotten better, and this year, they've been the best they have in a while. When you come into a game like that with a one-dimensional offense, you're going to lose, unless the Defense scores some major points for you. Think about this for a second all of you Mack Brown haters, how many times did Bobby Bowden lose to Miami before he started to win big? I believe it was at least five, if not more. This offense will only get better and more experienced as the season goes on, and the defense will remain the same, with only the loss of Derrick Johnson, I believe. My critique of Vince Young is this, his quirky throwing motion turns him into a 5'10" QB instead of a 6'10" QB that he should be, and, as much as he runs, he needs to learn better ball control, he puts it on the ground way too much. I say look for this offense to gel for an entire year, and then on October 8th, look for a Texas win. __________________ "This ain't no Ice Cream Social!" "Hey Grif, Chupathingy...how bout that? I like it...got a ring to it." "I have no earthly idea what it is I just saw, or what this place is, or where in the hell O'Malley is! My only choice is to blame Grif for coming up with such a flawed plan. Stupid, stupid Grif."

10-10-2004, 02:06 PM	#20 (permalink)
Jesus Malverde Psycho Location: Sinaloa, Mexico	This was UT's best chance to beat OU in a while. They might lose four more in a row. A lot of the defense is graduating this year, and with Adrian Peterson around for at least two more years, Texas has no chance. The defense played outstanding today, even though they couldn't hold the long run that well, OU hit a wall every trip into the red zone. They (Texas' defense) must have been so frustrated with the ULTRA-conservative playcalling by the coaching staff until the game was in desperation time. Young wasn't getting the offense moving at all, would it have hurt egos too much to even try Chance Mock for a few series, especially after the turnovers? Mack Brown is a weird coach. He doesn't coach to win, he coaches not to lose. I mean, this team hasn't had an offensive identity for 5 years. One week they are a power football team, the next they are a conservative, run on third and long team, and the next week they are a play-action, rollout passing team. They can't seem to figure out how to make their offense get into a rhythm, and that is a shame with the caliber of their defense this year. Steve Spurrier would be an interesting candidate for the head coaching job. It wouldn't be an ugly change, since it would just be like a little "upgrade" at the head coach position. He's just as much of a "good old boy" as Brown so he will appeal to alumni/parents, and he's a phenomenal recruiter as well. And you know he would put beating OU at the top of his list; there are few coaches who prepare for rivalry games better than this man. This loss might have hurt UT more than last year's blowout. It will be interesting to see how they bounce back. __________________ ...I'm that cat by the bar toasting to the good life...

10-10-2004, 07:25 PM	#22 (permalink)
cementor Crazy Location: Denver	As a SOONER Alum, this run has been great and I'm not sure it's over yet. Next year will bring a lot of interesting changes to both teams. OU will lose a Heisman winning QB that they haven't even utilized this year, but more importantly the O line will have a number of new faces and the wide reciever corp will look a lot different. For what it is worth, Mark Clayton in addition to being a great reciever is also a devastating (and I use the word purposely) blocker. The trenches were clearly dominated by OU. AP will be be challenged to be so dominant without those guys, though he is a truly special player. The defense likely won't drop off much. Texas loses Benson and Derrick Johnson. Those will be big shoes to fill. Especially Johnson, who I thought was misused in the past, but getting him outside and letting him use his athleticism was a big upgrade. The wide reciever corp will get better with time. I still think Texas would be better if they used Mock to give them some balance and put Young in the reciever corp. With his speed and size I think he'd be a very tough match up for any secondary. Enough of this. Another year of bragging rights, and a couple of pitchers of beer supplied by my UT workmates. Boomer !!! __________________ Cementor If I was any better I'd have to be twins!

10-10-2004, 10:20 PM	#23 (permalink)
Jesus Malverde Psycho Location: Sinaloa, Mexico	Yeah, I remember watching ESPN and Cedric Benson actually said "they just have better coaching" (!!?!!???!!!) I was think the same thing Lockjaw, I'm glad that someone else got the little hints that the players dropped (purposefully/accidentally?) When the number one RB in the nation--who comes from territory you should own when it comes to recruiting--says "I chose OU because they win championships and develop their players better," its time to rethink things. The only reason I care about Texas is because I grew up there. I still have my beloved ASU Sun Devils to cheer for this weekend against the bastards from LA, but I just had to comment on this whole UT/OU/Mack Brown deal. __________________ ...I'm that cat by the bar toasting to the good life... Last edited by Jesus Malverde; 10-11-2004 at 12:06 AM..