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bigbad · 03-09-2004, 05:30 PM

The incident was pretty well the same as that of Matt Johnson and Jeff Beukeboom a couple years ago, except in magnitude of the injuries.

Johnson - Beukeboom incident

It should not be treated as just another injury, as the league has specific rules against deliberate injury of opponents. I think since the situation is so similar to the Beukeboom thing, the punishment should also be similar.

Ace_O_Spades · 03-09-2004, 05:32 PM

thats what i was thinking... good research and kudos to you for the link

i was thinking 10-15, 12 would seem right on for me anyway... yes he deliberately wanted to hurt moore

but i dont think he should get special punishment because of the accidental breaking of the neck due to a huge pileup

FleaCircus · 03-09-2004, 05:40 PM

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Originally posted by bigbad
He TRIED to have a real fight, Moore pussed out though, so he didn't have a chance for the gloves to come off. Moore turned his back on him, totally disrespecting him, and Bertuzzi took a cheap swing at him from behind. Not that I am saying what he did was right, I totally think it was one of the dumbest things I've ever seen in hockey, but if Moore would've taken the challenge we wouldn't be worrying about this right now.

Moore already took the challenge with Cooke in the first period; how many Canucks does he have to fight until they're satisfied? Should the Canucks have just lined up to have Moore take them on one at a time? The fight with Cooke should have been sufficient.

As far as punishment from the league, Bertuzzi should be suspended at least through the end of the playoffs, but I don't think criminal charges should come into it. It was a cheap shot, but I don't think Bertuzzi meant to hospitalize Moore.

bigbad · 03-09-2004, 06:12 PM

More links...

Sauer vs May while Moore is down

Bertuzzi cheap shot (this is the one I watched on TV, go Shorthouse!)

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Moore already took the challenge with Cooke in the first period; how many Canucks does he have to fight until they're satisfied? Should the Canucks have just lined up to have Moore take them on one at a time? The fight with Cooke should have been sufficient.

What was Granato thinking putting Moore, public enemy number 1 in Vancouver, out with 10 minutes left and the game's outcome all but settled? Everyone expected (or should have if they didn't) someone to go after him, both him and Granato should have known better.

Ace_O_Spades · 03-09-2004, 06:31 PM

I was wondering the same thing when i was watching... you would think that someone would have thought that it would be a bad idea

guess not... hindsight is 20/20

Qazwsxedc · 03-09-2004, 07:15 PM

The Vancouver police are also investigating.. why is it that the police get involved when the fight ends up with someone severly injured but they dont' intervene during regular fights??

Do they do it for PR purposes?

Ace_O_Spades · 03-09-2004, 07:30 PM

better question:

why are they investigating this and leaving hundreds of drug addicts and prostitutes and assaults and murders uninvestigated in the downtown east side?

TheShadow · 03-09-2004, 09:54 PM

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Originally posted by Ace_O_Spades
better question:

why are they investigating this and leaving hundreds of drug addicts and prostitutes and assaults and murders uninvestigated in the downtown east side?

Thank you. I think the majority [huge] of people who have at least some reason will agree to this - why deal with sports injuries as assault, when there are more iimportant things to deal with?

Go_AVS · 03-09-2004, 11:02 PM

I'm convinced that we should hire Canuck fans to finally figure out who killed JFK. I have spent most of the day reading different forums and I just have to laugh.

Accidental injuries... that is bulls..t

I actually read on the Canuck board that Bert was trying to protect Moore (probably the most assanine statement I ever read and the hundred or so fans that agreed with the crock)

Watch it slow, fast or any way you want to watch it but the reality it was a barbaric act and needs to be punished.

I am now also convinced that I will not be satisfied if Bert is EVER allowed to play in the NHL again & I sent an email to the commissioner today to that affect. (I doubt it will happen but at least I know I voiced my opinion to the man who makes the decsion)

I don't think any criminal charges would do anything but waste the poor jurors time. There was no real punishment for Mcsorley in the Canadian courts (no fine, no jail, no nothing) Let the league take care of their own problems...

bigbad · 03-09-2004, 11:04 PM

I am listening to Sarah Bloor (police public relations) on the TV as I type this, she says that a number of people called the cops and reported it as a crime, and as a result they have to investigate it. It will be up to Crown Council whether the charges go through, seriously doubt it will go that far though.

Go_AVS · 03-09-2004, 11:12 PM

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Originally posted by bigbad
I am listening to Sarah Bloor (police public relations) on the TV as I type this, she says that a number of people called the cops and reported it as a crime, and as a result they have to investigate it. It will be up to Crown Council whether the charges go through, seriously doubt it will go that far though.

What a waste of time & money....

Let the league deal with it, if Moore's teammates are not happy with the punishment then there will an ongoing saga.

bigbad · 03-09-2004, 11:40 PM

LMAO Protect him?!? That's a good one, like saying Bush was trying to protect the Iraqi people lol. Had a discussion about it in class, not one person tried to defend what he did, and most of them said that he should be punished. The people on those boards are the dregs of the Canucks fans Go_Avs, don't use them to base your opinion of all of us, please!

Go_AVS · 03-09-2004, 11:55 PM

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Originally posted by bigbad
The people on those boards are the dregs of the Canucks fans Go_Avs, don't use them to base your opinion of all of us, please!

Never would bigbad, they did give me quite a few good laughs today though...

silent_jay · 03-10-2004, 07:45 AM

It was a punch, his neck broke when 5 people fell on him, wasn't that the punch broke his neck, give Bertuzzi a couple of games and a fine, and suck it up., as for the cops investigating that is just stupid, I agree with the majority, get the dealers and whores and killers leave the hockey players alone. Moore learned a hard lesson, don't cheap shot the superstar (Naslund) or this is what happens, it really wasn't as bad as everyone is making it out to be, I just don't see it

stickyrice · 03-10-2004, 10:27 AM

Exactly let the league deal with it and keep the police investigation out of the NHL. If an incidence escaladed to police investigation, then let the league decide.

The hearing is going on right now I think. One fan was heard screaming to ban him for 4 years and give him a 3 million dollar fine. I don't agree with the 4 years but I say suspend him for a good amount, cut his salary per year and stick Bert under a probationary program that the NHL looks over. Sounds way out of left field I guess but just a suggestion among 10 million out there.

Ace_O_Spades · 03-10-2004, 11:07 AM

*eagerly awaits decision from higher ups*

shakran · 03-10-2004, 11:11 AM

I don't get it.

Let's say I have a classic car and some idiot on a cell phone runs into me and totals it. My emotions are gonna be running pretty high, but if I slam him to the ground and break his neck, I go to jail.

Why is the fact that they're playing hockey an excuse for a blatant assault?

Go_AVS · 03-10-2004, 11:24 AM

What about some different scenarios...

1) How about you hit someone, they fall down into the road and get hit by a car and die. Who is responsible, the driver of the car or the one that hit the person initially??

I sure as hell hope it is not the guy driving the car.

2) Hit someone, they fall onto train tracks, train comes, smashes guy. Is the conductor responsible...

Bert has to go down...

I want to know if the NHL has any balls...

Qazwsxedc · 03-10-2004, 12:29 PM

Apparantly the police are investigating this matter cuz the public has called them. and it's their duty to follow up on all assault charges. So i'm guessing, had the public not complained to hte police directly, they would not have been involved.

archer2371 · 03-10-2004, 01:32 PM

No, it was Bertuzzi's shot that broke Moore's neck, most definitely, people falling on them didn't help, but Bertuzzi didn't punch him. He grabbed him and shoved him face first into the ice. It looked like the WWE there for a second. This was uncalled for and stupid, and to think this was the same guy who had some really stern words for Marty McSorley. The wussing out of a fight defense is bullshit, it just is. If a player chooses not to fight, that's his prerogative you shouldn't think less of a player who does not like to fight, Mike Modano absolutely hates to fight and he's one of the toughest, most complete players out there. Bertuzzi took a cheap shot, and should be suspended for the rest of the season and then his status reevaluated at the beginning of next season. Hope you Canucks enjoy a first round exit from the playoffs.

Ace_O_Spades · 03-10-2004, 01:40 PM

thanks for your expert opinion in the matter that "bertuzzi definitely broke his neck"

ToiletDuck · 03-10-2004, 01:41 PM

Im hearin the statement for his punishment will be made at 9 am thursday.

Ace_O_Spades · 03-10-2004, 01:46 PM

ARGH!!! the anticipation!

Nikilidstrom · 03-10-2004, 02:04 PM

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Originally posted by Ace_O_Spades
1) There is NO FUCKING WAY Bertuzzi's punch cracked two vertebrae in Moore's body... It was probably from the several Avalance players piling on top of Bertuzzi while he was on top of Moore

there is no need to be sarcastic towards archer for making the same kind of statement you just made a few posts ago. None of us really know how the neck fractures happened, but I will say that it probably wasn't the punch. But who knows whether it was Betuzzi's 245lbs initially piling on top of Moore, or the next 5 200 pounders that piled on top of Bertuzzi that caused either one or both of the fractures.

Soggybagel · 03-10-2004, 02:13 PM

First off, for all non-hockey fans who are disgusted with fighting, it is part of the game and really you need to know about the game to truely understand the dynamics of it all.

Secondly, having seen the punch as well as basically everything else going on etc. Bertuzzi did act in a stupid way that lead to an unfortunate injury. I feel that a suspension til at least the end of the season is going to happen and honestly the thing boils down to it was a premeditated act that was brutal.

Secondly Moore did not just learn a hard lesson. He finished his check and while it was on a superstar which is a unwritten rule, I think you can agree the idea is not to pounce the man from behind and commence beating. Bigbad regarding the question on why Moore was even out there with ten minutes left? I think Granato was probably just running shifts as usual and since there had been multiple fights already in the game he probably ddin't forsee anything huge happening.

Overall I'm kind of in the middle. I for one think that the hit Naslund recieved was a hard hit but not cheap. The hit Moore recieved was a cheap hit. The ensuing injury was bad also. Bertuzzi should be suspended for the rest of the season and the frist round of the playoffs. A fine would be good also but no investigation. I'm sure Bert is sorry, but I find the hit was unwarranted.

silent_jay · 03-10-2004, 02:22 PM

How can an elbow to Naslund's face when he is on his knee's, not be considered cheap that means Moore would of been diving towards him, while Bertuzzi went about things the wrong way if the league would of dealt with the initial violation there would have been fewer reprecussions

grumpyolddude · 03-10-2004, 03:59 PM

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Originally posted by Nikilidstrom
there is no need to be sarcastic towards archer for making the same kind of statement you just made a few posts ago. None of us really know how the neck fractures happened, but I will say that it probably wasn't the punch. But who knows whether it was Betuzzi's 245lbs initially piling on top of Moore, or the next 5 200 pounders that piled on top of Bertuzzi that caused either one or both of the fractures.

Exactly! And if Bertuzzi had simply punched Moore, instead of grabbing the back of his head and driving him to the ice, the dogpile would never have happened.

Cheap shots are not uncommon, the second move that ensured that Moore went face first to the ice was the crime. The replay I saw looked like assault. Bertuzzi should be prosecuted.

TheShadow · 03-10-2004, 04:57 PM

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Originally posted by stickyrice
stick Bert under a probationary program that the NHL looks over.

Already done to an insane amount.

PS: Pushing him to the ice? More like slipping on the stick and falling on him, since he had his wegiht on the guy, and couldn't really avoid the fall.

BigGov · 03-10-2004, 06:04 PM

The neck fractures probably happened when he first fell to the ice. If you look at it, the head nails the ice at a bad angle. For anyone that has fallen on ice, you know it can hurt, no imagine basically all your body weight falling and landing head first, that's a good neck-breaking possibility.

The NHL needs to stop excessive violence like this, but it needs to be fair. Bertuzzi gets a lifetime suspension? If that's going to be the gold standard, the NHL is going to lose A LOT of players. If the league wants to be fair, suspend him for the rest of the season (Which basically screws the Canucks) and take away a year's pay.

$6.633 million

Let me be more clear:

$6.633 million USD

Hit em where it hurts, their pocketbook. That would send one hell of a message across the NHL.

FleaCircus · 03-10-2004, 07:08 PM

FYI: Colin Campbell has scheduled a press conference to announce the league's action against Bertuzzi at 7:00 AM Mountain time.

soccerchamp76 · 03-10-2004, 07:09 PM

If you see the video, Moore was already knocked unconscious right after the hit, before he hit the ice, therefore he was not able to brace himself. Also when your own teammates jump on and others jump on top of you, it will not help.

Police? Are they fucking crazy? Will they start bitching about all the hockey fights? How about in baseball when a pitcher intentially throws a ball at a batter? That can be considered assault. Please, the police? You have to be out of your mind. The Avalanche fans are just mad because of the punch so they wanna have the MAXIMUM possible sentence on him. That is a load of crap. I will be honest, I am a Blues fan, I hate Bertuzzi and I hate the Avanlanche. But that was a sucker punch, and the ensuing injuries were accidental.

My opinion: 5 game suspension for attempt to injure.

Ace_O_Spades · 03-10-2004, 08:06 PM

he's getting a lot more than 5 games

the nhl feels it needs to "set an example" im guessing

plus with everyone calling for blood it might be curtains for 'Tuzzi's season

BulletCatcher · 03-10-2004, 08:13 PM

I'd be real surprised if he gets less than the rest of the season plus playoffs if only because there is a very real chance that the Avs and Canucks will meet in 1st or 2nd round. That'd get real ugly real fast.

Ace_O_Spades · 03-10-2004, 08:16 PM

yes it will

and the Avs are gonna roll the canucks if they play them in the playoffs

sad but true

silent_jay · 03-10-2004, 09:05 PM

maybe the Avs will roll the Canucks, the Canucks are still a good team even without Bertuzzi, this is another example of things being blown out of proportion, Bertuzzi is going to be hung because everyone is already up in arms about the high-sticking and players not respecting each other, this has nothing to do with players not respecting each other, Bertuzzi never intended to break Moore's neck it was a freak accident that happens when you have people piling on top of an unconcious player I agree with soccerchamp76 5 games sounds reasonable although attempt to injure is not the right call the suspension should be for stupidity instead.

Tophat665 · 03-10-2004, 09:07 PM

IT'S HOCKEY! This is the first broken neck I have heard of in the game in the last half dozen in pro football.. Sucks? Yes. His fault? Not really.

If that's your marketing, if goon chic is your niche, then there will be cheap shots.

Live with it.

Make him wear a tu-tu in his next 230 minutes on the ice.

<small>Disclaimer I haven't figured out if I despise hockey or hockey players, or if I just don't understand the game, but, if it disappeared from the planet tomorrow, my life would be only slightly less rich. Moreso than if cricket were to be abolished, slightly less so than if baseball had never been.</small>

Go_AVS · 03-10-2004, 09:16 PM

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Originally posted by Shadowz
Already done to an insane amount.

PS: Pushing him to the ice? More like slipping on the stick and falling on him, since he had his wegiht on the guy, and couldn't really avoid the fall.

with theories like this, I was wondering if you can tell us where Hoffa is buried

He drove him to the ice, he did not try to protect Moore, he tried to protect himself....

You probaly even think his apology was sincere...

The only thing he is sorry about is screwing his team's season..

I just wish they made the announcement today ending all the speculation about the length of suspension.

soccerchamp76 · 03-10-2004, 10:29 PM

This is an excerpt from ESPN.com

Exhibit A: Hitting someone from behind with a glove on your hand is the most horrible act of the season, and it warrants a very long suspension ... perhaps a full season.

Exhibit B: Hitting someone standing in front of you with your bare fists warrants ... a five-minute penalty and one game off.

Now back to me talking: Now think about this...was Bertuzzi delibertely trying to break Moore's neck and leave in a pool of his own blood? The answer is no. Hits happen all the time and sometimes things can go wrong, accidents happen. He meant for it to hurt, but not to take him out for the season.

bigbad · 03-11-2004, 12:08 AM

Intent to break his neck shouldn't really matter in this case, because who in their right mind would intend to break a guy's neck in a game? Of course he didn't intend to, but the fact is Bertuzzi did sucker punch him with an intent to injure him, even if what he intended wasn't as severe as what actually happened. It was a really stupid move, and there is no excusing it, even though Moore brought it on by pussing out.

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with theories like this, I was wondering if you can tell us where Hoffa is buried

He drove him to the ice, he did not try to protect Moore, he tried to protect himself....

You probaly even think his apology was sincere...

The only thing he is sorry about is screwing his team's season..

I just wish they made the announcement today ending all the speculation about the length of suspension.

I don't know about that, I've watched it over and over and Bertuzzi couldn't have known that he'd knocked him out, so he was just using him as a cushion believing that Moore would put his hands out to protect himself. It wasn't like "I'm gonna take this unconcious guy and slam his head into the ice", if you look at any other hit where both guys fall you'll see pretty well the same thing.

And I totally believe his apology was sincere, look at his face, it looks like he's been crying for days. You'd have to be a sociopath not to feel any guilt over a situation like this, and I doubt he's that.

9am Eastern 6am Pac the league's haveing a press conference, damn them making me get up that early

silent_jay · 03-11-2004, 05:43 AM

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Originally posted by Go_AVS
with theories like this, I was wondering if you can tell us where Hoffa is buried

He drove him to the ice, he did not try to protect Moore, he tried to protect himself....

You probaly even think his apology was sincere...

The only thing he is sorry about is screwing his team's season..

I just wish they made the announcement today ending all the speculation about the length of suspension.

The pile up contributed nothing, it was all done just as Bertuzzi fell on him an not when the other 5 people fell on him, please watch the video if you want to drive someone's head into the ice you don't simply fall on them, saying his apology was insincere without any proof is really not a factor unless you actually asked Bertuzzi, it's your opinion and given your user name a biased one at that, if Bertuzzi really meant to hurt him he would have grabbed him by the back of the head and drove his head into the ice.

03-09-2004, 05:32 PM	#42 (permalink)
Ace_O_Spades The Death Card Location: EH!?!?	thats what i was thinking... good research and kudos to you for the link i was thinking 10-15, 12 would seem right on for me anyway... yes he deliberately wanted to hurt moore but i dont think he should get special punishment because of the accidental breaking of the neck due to a huge pileup __________________ Feh.

03-09-2004, 06:31 PM	#45 (permalink)
Ace_O_Spades The Death Card Location: EH!?!?	I was wondering the same thing when i was watching... you would think that someone would have thought that it would be a bad idea guess not... hindsight is 20/20 __________________ Feh.

03-09-2004, 07:30 PM	#47 (permalink)
Ace_O_Spades The Death Card Location: EH!?!?	better question: why are they investigating this and leaving hundreds of drug addicts and prostitutes and assaults and murders uninvestigated in the downtown east side? __________________ Feh.

03-09-2004, 11:02 PM	#49 (permalink)
Go_AVS CSU RAM fan Location: Hockey time....	I'm convinced that we should hire Canuck fans to finally figure out who killed JFK. I have spent most of the day reading different forums and I just have to laugh. Accidental injuries... that is bulls..t I actually read on the Canuck board that Bert was trying to protect Moore (probably the most assanine statement I ever read and the hundred or so fans that agreed with the crock) Watch it slow, fast or any way you want to watch it but the reality it was a barbaric act and needs to be punished. I am now also convinced that I will not be satisfied if Bert is EVER allowed to play in the NHL again & I sent an email to the commissioner today to that affect. (I doubt it will happen but at least I know I voiced my opinion to the man who makes the decsion) I don't think any criminal charges would do anything but waste the poor jurors time. There was no real punishment for Mcsorley in the Canadian courts (no fine, no jail, no nothing) Let the league take care of their own problems... __________________ MIA...

03-10-2004, 07:45 AM	#54 (permalink)
silent_jay Her Jay Location: Ontario for now....	It was a punch, his neck broke when 5 people fell on him, wasn't that the punch broke his neck, give Bertuzzi a couple of games and a fine, and suck it up., as for the cops investigating that is just stupid, I agree with the majority, get the dealers and whores and killers leave the hockey players alone. Moore learned a hard lesson, don't cheap shot the superstar (Naslund) or this is what happens, it really wasn't as bad as everyone is making it out to be, I just don't see it __________________ Absence makes the heart grow fonder

03-09-2004, 05:30 PM	#41 (permalink)
bigbad Insane	The incident was pretty well the same as that of Matt Johnson and Jeff Beukeboom a couple years ago, except in magnitude of the injuries. Johnson - Beukeboom incident It should not be treated as just another injury, as the league has specific rules against deliberate injury of opponents. I think since the situation is so similar to the Beukeboom thing, the punishment should also be similar.

03-09-2004, 07:15 PM	#46 (permalink)
Qazwsxedc Insane	The Vancouver police are also investigating.. why is it that the police get involved when the fight ends up with someone severly injured but they dont' intervene during regular fights?? Do they do it for PR purposes?

03-09-2004, 11:04 PM	#50 (permalink)
bigbad Insane	I am listening to Sarah Bloor (police public relations) on the TV as I type this, she says that a number of people called the cops and reported it as a crime, and as a result they have to investigate it. It will be up to Crown Council whether the charges go through, seriously doubt it will go that far though.

03-09-2004, 11:40 PM	#52 (permalink)
bigbad Insane	LMAO Protect him?!? That's a good one, like saying Bush was trying to protect the Iraqi people lol. Had a discussion about it in class, not one person tried to defend what he did, and most of them said that he should be punished. The people on those boards are the dregs of the Canucks fans Go_Avs, don't use them to base your opinion of all of us, please!

03-10-2004, 10:27 AM	#55 (permalink)
stickyrice Crazy	Exactly let the league deal with it and keep the police investigation out of the NHL. If an incidence escaladed to police investigation, then let the league decide. The hearing is going on right now I think. One fan was heard screaming to ban him for 4 years and give him a 3 million dollar fine. I don't agree with the 4 years but I say suspend him for a good amount, cut his salary per year and stick Bert under a probationary program that the NHL looks over. Sounds way out of left field I guess but just a suggestion among 10 million out there. __________________ Can't think of anything to say....

03-10-2004, 11:07 AM	#56 (permalink)
Ace_O_Spades The Death Card Location: EH!?!?	eagerly awaits decision from higher ups __________________ Feh.

03-10-2004, 11:11 AM	#57 (permalink)
shakran Tone.	I don't get it. Let's say I have a classic car and some idiot on a cell phone runs into me and totals it. My emotions are gonna be running pretty high, but if I slam him to the ground and break his neck, I go to jail. Why is the fact that they're playing hockey an excuse for a blatant assault?

03-10-2004, 11:24 AM	#58 (permalink)
Go_AVS CSU RAM fan Location: Hockey time....	What about some different scenarios... 1) How about you hit someone, they fall down into the road and get hit by a car and die. Who is responsible, the driver of the car or the one that hit the person initially?? I sure as hell hope it is not the guy driving the car. 2) Hit someone, they fall onto train tracks, train comes, smashes guy. Is the conductor responsible... Bert has to go down... I want to know if the NHL has any balls... __________________ MIA...

03-10-2004, 12:29 PM	#59 (permalink)
Qazwsxedc Insane	Apparantly the police are investigating this matter cuz the public has called them. and it's their duty to follow up on all assault charges. So i'm guessing, had the public not complained to hte police directly, they would not have been involved.

03-10-2004, 01:32 PM	#60 (permalink)
archer2371 Sarge of Blood Gulch Red Outpost Number One Location: On the front lines against our very enemy	No, it was Bertuzzi's shot that broke Moore's neck, most definitely, people falling on them didn't help, but Bertuzzi didn't punch him. He grabbed him and shoved him face first into the ice. It looked like the WWE there for a second. This was uncalled for and stupid, and to think this was the same guy who had some really stern words for Marty McSorley. The wussing out of a fight defense is bullshit, it just is. If a player chooses not to fight, that's his prerogative you shouldn't think less of a player who does not like to fight, Mike Modano absolutely hates to fight and he's one of the toughest, most complete players out there. Bertuzzi took a cheap shot, and should be suspended for the rest of the season and then his status reevaluated at the beginning of next season. Hope you Canucks enjoy a first round exit from the playoffs. __________________ "This ain't no Ice Cream Social!" "Hey Grif, Chupathingy...how bout that? I like it...got a ring to it." "I have no earthly idea what it is I just saw, or what this place is, or where in the hell O'Malley is! My only choice is to blame Grif for coming up with such a flawed plan. Stupid, stupid Grif."

03-10-2004, 01:40 PM	#61 (permalink)
Ace_O_Spades The Death Card Location: EH!?!?	thanks for your expert opinion in the matter that "bertuzzi definitely broke his neck" __________________ Feh.

03-10-2004, 01:41 PM	#62 (permalink)
ToiletDuck Insane Location: In beautiful (YOUR AREA)	Im hearin the statement for his punishment will be made at 9 am thursday. Last edited by ToiletDuck; 03-10-2004 at 01:45 PM..

03-10-2004, 01:46 PM	#63 (permalink)
Ace_O_Spades The Death Card Location: EH!?!?	ARGH!!! the anticipation! __________________ Feh.

03-10-2004, 02:13 PM	#65 (permalink)
Soggybagel Psycho Location: Lovely City #1	First off, for all non-hockey fans who are disgusted with fighting, it is part of the game and really you need to know about the game to truely understand the dynamics of it all. Secondly, having seen the punch as well as basically everything else going on etc. Bertuzzi did act in a stupid way that lead to an unfortunate injury. I feel that a suspension til at least the end of the season is going to happen and honestly the thing boils down to it was a premeditated act that was brutal. Secondly Moore did not just learn a hard lesson. He finished his check and while it was on a superstar which is a unwritten rule, I think you can agree the idea is not to pounce the man from behind and commence beating. Bigbad regarding the question on why Moore was even out there with ten minutes left? I think Granato was probably just running shifts as usual and since there had been multiple fights already in the game he probably ddin't forsee anything huge happening. Overall I'm kind of in the middle. I for one think that the hit Naslund recieved was a hard hit but not cheap. The hit Moore recieved was a cheap hit. The ensuing injury was bad also. Bertuzzi should be suspended for the rest of the season and the frist round of the playoffs. A fine would be good also but no investigation. I'm sure Bert is sorry, but I find the hit was unwarranted.

03-10-2004, 02:22 PM	#66 (permalink)
silent_jay Her Jay Location: Ontario for now....	How can an elbow to Naslund's face when he is on his knee's, not be considered cheap that means Moore would of been diving towards him, while Bertuzzi went about things the wrong way if the league would of dealt with the initial violation there would have been fewer reprecussions __________________ Absence makes the heart grow fonder

03-10-2004, 06:04 PM	#69 (permalink)
BigGov WoW or Class... Location: UWW	The neck fractures probably happened when he first fell to the ice. If you look at it, the head nails the ice at a bad angle. For anyone that has fallen on ice, you know it can hurt, no imagine basically all your body weight falling and landing head first, that's a good neck-breaking possibility. The NHL needs to stop excessive violence like this, but it needs to be fair. Bertuzzi gets a lifetime suspension? If that's going to be the gold standard, the NHL is going to lose A LOT of players. If the league wants to be fair, suspend him for the rest of the season (Which basically screws the Canucks) and take away a year's pay. $6.633 million Let me be more clear: $6.633 million USD Hit em where it hurts, their pocketbook. That would send one hell of a message across the NHL. __________________ One day an Englishman, a Scotsman, and an Irishman walked into a pub together. They each bought a pint of Guinness. Just as they were about to enjoy their creamy beverage, three flies landed in each of their pints. The Englishman pushed his beer away in disgust. The Scotsman fished the fly out of his beer and continued drinking it, as if nothing had happened. The Irishman, too, picked the fly out of his drink but then held it out over the beer and yelled "SPIT IT OUT, SPIT IT OUT, YOU BASTARD!"

03-10-2004, 07:08 PM	#70 (permalink)
FleaCircus Insane Location: Denver, CO	FYI: Colin Campbell has scheduled a press conference to announce the league's action against Bertuzzi at 7:00 AM Mountain time. __________________ "We must have waffles. We must all have waffles, forthwith. Oh, we must think. We must all have waffles and think, each and every one of us to the very best of his ability." -- Professor Goldthwait Higginson Dorr, Ph.D.

03-10-2004, 07:09 PM	#71 (permalink)
soccerchamp76 Go Cardinals Location: St. Louis/Cincinnati	If you see the video, Moore was already knocked unconscious right after the hit, before he hit the ice, therefore he was not able to brace himself. Also when your own teammates jump on and others jump on top of you, it will not help. Police? Are they fucking crazy? Will they start bitching about all the hockey fights? How about in baseball when a pitcher intentially throws a ball at a batter? That can be considered assault. Please, the police? You have to be out of your mind. The Avalanche fans are just mad because of the punch so they wanna have the MAXIMUM possible sentence on him. That is a load of crap. I will be honest, I am a Blues fan, I hate Bertuzzi and I hate the Avanlanche. But that was a sucker punch, and the ensuing injuries were accidental. My opinion: 5 game suspension for attempt to injure. __________________ Brian Griffin: Ah, if my memory serves me, this is the physics department. Chris Griffin: That would explain all the gravity.

03-10-2004, 08:06 PM	#72 (permalink)
Ace_O_Spades The Death Card Location: EH!?!?	he's getting a lot more than 5 games the nhl feels it needs to "set an example" im guessing plus with everyone calling for blood it might be curtains for 'Tuzzi's season __________________ Feh.

03-10-2004, 08:13 PM	#73 (permalink)
BulletCatcher Crazy Location: America's Outback	I'd be real surprised if he gets less than the rest of the season plus playoffs if only because there is a very real chance that the Avs and Canucks will meet in 1st or 2nd round. That'd get real ugly real fast.

03-10-2004, 08:16 PM	#74 (permalink)
Ace_O_Spades The Death Card Location: EH!?!?	yes it will and the Avs are gonna roll the canucks if they play them in the playoffs sad but true __________________ Feh.

03-10-2004, 09:05 PM	#75 (permalink)
silent_jay Her Jay Location: Ontario for now....	maybe the Avs will roll the Canucks, the Canucks are still a good team even without Bertuzzi, this is another example of things being blown out of proportion, Bertuzzi is going to be hung because everyone is already up in arms about the high-sticking and players not respecting each other, this has nothing to do with players not respecting each other, Bertuzzi never intended to break Moore's neck it was a freak accident that happens when you have people piling on top of an unconcious player I agree with soccerchamp76 5 games sounds reasonable although attempt to injure is not the right call the suspension should be for stupidity instead. __________________ Absence makes the heart grow fonder

03-10-2004, 09:07 PM	#76 (permalink)
Tophat665 Minion of the scaléd ones Location: Northeast Jesusland	IT'S HOCKEY! This is the first broken neck I have heard of in the game in the last half dozen in pro football.. Sucks? Yes. His fault? Not really. If that's your marketing, if goon chic is your niche, then there will be cheap shots. Live with it. Make him wear a tu-tu in his next 230 minutes on the ice. <small>Disclaimer I haven't figured out if I despise hockey or hockey players, or if I just don't understand the game, but, if it disappeared from the planet tomorrow, my life would be only slightly less rich. Moreso than if cricket were to be abolished, slightly less so than if baseball had never been.</small> __________________ Light a man a fire, and he will be warm while it burns. Set a man on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life. Last edited by Tophat665; 03-10-2004 at 09:09 PM..

03-10-2004, 10:29 PM	#78 (permalink)
soccerchamp76 Go Cardinals Location: St. Louis/Cincinnati	This is an excerpt from ESPN.com Exhibit A: Hitting someone from behind with a glove on your hand is the most horrible act of the season, and it warrants a very long suspension ... perhaps a full season. Exhibit B: Hitting someone standing in front of you with your bare fists warrants ... a five-minute penalty and one game off. Now back to me talking: Now think about this...was Bertuzzi delibertely trying to break Moore's neck and leave in a pool of his own blood? The answer is no. Hits happen all the time and sometimes things can go wrong, accidents happen. He meant for it to hurt, but not to take him out for the season. __________________ Brian Griffin: Ah, if my memory serves me, this is the physics department. Chris Griffin: That would explain all the gravity.