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JoeyB · 02-14-2004, 09:03 AM

Newsday reports that the Yanks are interested in trading for disgruntled Texas SS Alex Rodriguez. The "trade" would send Alfonso soriano, Jose Contreras and a minor leaguer to the Rangers for the high priced former MVP.

I appreciate someone dangling that in front of the Yankee fans---but does anyone actually believe that this is possible??? If Boston couldn't get it done with Nomar, do you think NY can get it done with Soriano as the centerpiece of the deal??

gov135 · 02-14-2004, 09:27 AM

This would be pretty stupid on alot of levels.
1. Texas isn't getting very much at all.
2. George must have forgot that he already has an all-star shortstop - and a true leader whom the team revolves around.

JoeyB · 02-14-2004, 09:32 AM

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Originally posted by gov135
This would be pretty stupid on alot of levels.
1. Texas isn't getting very much at all.
2. George must have forgot that he already has an all-star shortstop - and a true leader whom the team revolves around.

gov135....., you reminded me of a key part of the story I forgot to include. (JoeyB--the B stands for dumbass)

According to Newsday, A-Rod wants out of Texas so badly, he's willing to move to 3B.

I agree completely with your first point. Soriano, a prospect and who knows how old Contreras actually is doesn't seem to be a great package.

djtestudo · 02-14-2004, 10:23 AM

Well, the prospect is supposedly Navarro, who I think is the heir apparent to Posada, so it's not like he's just any crap. Of course, it means he's the team's last real prospect.

The deal makes no sense. You can survive with a 3B platoon with what you have elsewhere. The deal opens a big hole at second. And, moving A-Rod makes no sense as he's a better shortstop both defensively and offensively then Jeter could ever dream of being.

Not to mention that even with Navarro and Soriano, the Rangers are getting a Texas-sized shaft.

forseti-6 · 02-14-2004, 11:44 AM

This trade is stupid on both ends.

The Yankees currently have a hole at 3rd. Doing this trade will fill the hole at 3rd, but create one at 2nd and lose a starter.

The Rangers would be getting rid of Arod, but get a good hitting 2b that can't field for crap, a pitcher that is unproven and a prospect that is just that.

No way will this trade happen.

Halx · 02-14-2004, 11:51 AM

They would make A-Rod a 2B? ugh

bond007 · 02-14-2004, 02:03 PM

who's to say that Soriano remains at 2B? If I'm Texas, I make this trade... convert Soriano to CF, and sign someone like Todd Walker to play 2B...

goddfather40 · 02-14-2004, 02:43 PM

FWIW,

Now I just heard on CBS that CBS sportsline and also, as mentioned before, Newsday report that the Yankees and Rangers have AGREED, in principle, to make this trade. It is no longer a rumor..............allegedly.

maximusveritas · 02-14-2004, 02:52 PM

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The Yankees and Rangers have an agreement in principle on a monster trade that will send superstar shortstop Alex Rodriguez to New York in exchange for Alfonso Soriano, Newsday has learned.

No announcement is expected today, as a couple very minor technical details are still to be worked out. However, all sides remain confident everything will be finalized within a few days, a source said.

The Yankees are expected to send a minor-league pitcher along with Soriano to Texas to complete the deal.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/ny-aro...span-headlines

djtestudo · 02-14-2004, 03:08 PM

The Yankees' payroll is now close to $190 million. Of the 29 other teams, maybe three are more then half that amount.

In 1975 Bowie Kuhn, the commissioner at the time, vetoed a deal between the Yankees and A's where Steinbrenner bought three of the A's best players for well over a million dollars. His reasoning was that it went against the best interests of baseball. If Selig has any brains in that apparently empty skull of his, he will do the same thing here.

As for the players involved, I can't figure out why Texas would do this except to get rid of A-Rod's contract. They have a very good young secondbaseman in Michael Young, and Soriano sucks defensively. Contraras was terrible in NY, so why would he be any good in that pitcher's hell the Ballpark in Arlington?

Funny thing is, A-Rod's isn't the contract holding the team back; it's CHan Ho Park's. If they could get rid of HIM and as much of his contract as possible, they would be fine.

There is no way to convince me that this deal should happen.

Spartak · 02-14-2004, 03:45 PM

Heh, I like this trade, saves me the trouble of creating a super-team like I do in every baseball computer game

Artermis · 02-14-2004, 03:59 PM

Umm it gives the Rangers 20 million more a year to sign on players....if they had had that amount 2 months ago they would have been players for Vlad, Tejada and any other major player out there.

Yankees do it because George wants to stick it to the Red Sox and this would be huge in doing...thumbing his nose...haha we pulled off what you couldnt.

BTW Tim Kurijian (sp?) just said he thinks it is really going to happen and he usually knows his shit.

Art

gov135 · 02-14-2004, 04:50 PM

One other piece that we are missing - the player's union. They need to okay this deal, and if A-Rod is looking at a contract hit the size of the one he was gonna take to go to Boston, the union will veto the deal.

djtestudo · 02-14-2004, 04:52 PM

I seriously doubt that the Yankees are worried enough about the money to try and renegotiate the contract.

Mondak · 02-14-2004, 06:04 PM

This trade sucks for the Yankees and is totally unneeded. I hope it gets vetoed to high hell.

As a lot of you know - I am a huge Yankees fan. I like that they keep what they grow and am still upset about Pettite. Screw a 25 million dollar player. It is totally not needed. Sign some more pitching or something, but this is crazy. wasn't the butt load of power that we signed in Sheffield enough?

ironchef82 · 02-14-2004, 07:04 PM

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Originally posted by forseti-6

The Yankees currently have a hole at 3rd. Doing this trade will fill the hole at 3rd, but create one at 2nd and lose a starter.

The Yanks may be losing Soriano... but if they're getting A-Rod, who the hell cares that there's a hole at 2nd base? Put some minor league scrub there, and you've still improved your team significantly.

That being said, the Yankees still have a weak pitching staff, which will make their $200 million payroll [which seems to be approaching the GNP of several third-world countries] and lack of World Series Championship title come October all the more hilarious.

thephuse · 02-14-2004, 07:22 PM

Doesnt the article say "minor-league pitcher"? I didnt see anyting about Contreras in that newsday article although i did hear of Navarro and Contreras in a seperate article talkin of a "possible" deal... if this is for a minor leaguer and soriano for a-rod... wow..

( although i really like soriano.. )

djtestudo · 02-14-2004, 07:54 PM

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Originally posted by ironchef82
The Yanks may be losing Soriano... but if they're getting A-Rod, who the hell cares that there's a hole at 2nd base? Put some minor league scrub there, and you've still improved your team significantly.

They could have done the same at third with a platoon that would be better then anything they could get at second now, kept Soriano, and not have to worry about egos clashing or bringing forth the wrath of millions of baseball fans (not that Steinbreener would ever care about either

).

thephuse · 02-14-2004, 08:04 PM

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Originally posted by djtestudo
They could have done the same at third with a platoon that would be better then anything they could get at second now, kept Soriano, and not have to worry about egos clashing or bringing forth the wrath of millions of baseball fans (not that Steinbreener would ever care about either ).

Are you suggesting Soriano + platoon = Arod + Platoon?

rrf · 02-14-2004, 09:06 PM

I wouldnt want to trade Soriano for A-Rod... Soriano was one homer away from a 40-40 season (correct me if Im wrong)... This whole Yankees-Sax fued is getting ridiculous.

go SAX!

thephuse · 02-14-2004, 09:16 PM

...... 1 homer away from 40-40... ... .. .. . . Excuse me.. did A-Rod NOT win the MVP last year? did he NOT hit 40 homers 6 yrs in a row? almost hittin 60 two years ago? Striking out 3 times less than soriano, and a gold-glove winner.

I love Soriano, but anyone who says this is bad for the Yanks is just forcing it...

The Sox took Schilling after talks broke down w/ the Yanks, and we took A-rod after talks broke down w/ Sox. Sheff, Vasquez, Brown > Foulke

Go Yanks~

Kurant · 02-14-2004, 10:55 PM

Todd Walker is a Cub, good like signing him at 2nd.

If you think Soriano for A-rod is stupid, your just that.

Yankee's signed Homer Bush this year, he has struggled the last few years, but the guy knows how to hit, he hit .320 in 1999. Started 100+ games at 2nd base with less then 10 errors. He's a carrer .290 hitter.

The guy knows how to hit, injuries have kept him from getting it done the last few years. It didn't cost them much, he's a good fielder, this guy can play, maybe he's finally healthy again.

alec · 02-14-2004, 10:59 PM

can we just all get a resounding 'fuck the yankees'?

TitleFight · 02-14-2004, 11:21 PM

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Originally posted by alec
can we just all get a resounding 'fuck the yankees'?

'fuck the yankees'

Of course the feeling was there before the agreement in principle.

thephuse · 02-15-2004, 07:08 AM

lol haha...

forseti-6 · 02-15-2004, 07:43 AM

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Originally posted by djtestudo
Contraras was terrible in NY, so why would he be any good in that pitcher's hell the Ballpark in Arlington?

Certainly not. Off the top of my head he was 7-2 with a 3 something ERA. And that ERA is actually better than it would seem. Remember he STUNK when he started and pitched excellent once he recovered from his injury. He had one bad start against boston and a bad outing against boston in the playoffs, but aside from that he was far from terrible.

Esen · 02-15-2004, 11:08 AM

This is an awesome trade for th eYankees , Steinbrenner knew for a long time that Arod was going to be a yankee.

I just wonder how much they had to pay Boone for pretending getting hurt lol. j/k

But do you really think that Steinbrener has any intention having a weak 2nd base.
He knows something that we don't.

Also isn t Arod/ Jeter really good friends.

Right there that is a big plus.

I hope that this trade goes through only even for the simple fact that it would piss off Boston fans.

AL9045 · 02-15-2004, 11:31 AM

I wonder if Soriano has killed himself yet.

JoeyB · 02-15-2004, 12:18 PM

The amazing thing is, that when you look at pitching, defense and intangibles, Boston still might have the better team.

I can't imagine someone being reluctant to trade Soriano for one of the all-time greats. Soriano is an incredible talent, but if you can get A-Rod, you get him.

Mondak · 02-15-2004, 01:20 PM

On the Contrares issue: I really liked seeing what he could do at the end of last year. After he got comfortable, he really played well.

I was / am looking forward to seeing him either in the rotation for the Yanks or as the killer setup man for Rivera. That 1 - 2 punch of unhittable guys out the the pen is always great. I hope he is not included if this stupid trade does go through. (Notice I am still in the denial phase of this)

Finally - where is mikeychulupa on all of this?

Parker · 02-15-2004, 01:23 PM

Checkmate to the Red Sox. I do not see how the Yankees will lse with that line-up. I am a Cubs Fan and I am extremely happy that the Yankees are in the AL. The Evil Empire has done it again.

dylanmarsh · 02-15-2004, 02:22 PM

It won't matter much when Foulke, in game 7 of the 2004 ALCS, strikes out Jeter, A-Rod, and Giambi in order to send the Sox back to the World Series for the first time since '86.

AL9045 · 02-15-2004, 02:33 PM

This is like Rasheed Wallace getting traded to the Hawks, he's a star player on a shitty team.

I wonder how much he can take...

salsa2 · 02-15-2004, 02:53 PM

just so everyone is clear, Contrares is NOT part of this deal. It is Soriano and a player to be named later ( which is supposedly not Navarro).

jasonresno · 02-15-2004, 04:22 PM

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Originally posted by JoeyB
The amazing thing is, that when you look at pitching, defense and intangibles, Boston still might have the better team.

I can't imagine someone being reluctant to trade Soriano for one of the all-time greats. Soriano is an incredible talent, but if you can get A-Rod, you get him.

Exactly. You hit the nail on the head.

MontanaXVI · 02-15-2004, 04:25 PM

somewhere i read before how much big G just had to pay as a luxury tax for being over the cap, any numbers on how much he just paid and what this will do to that number next season?

grayman · 02-15-2004, 04:31 PM

I don't understand why the Yankees aren't moving Jeter instead of A-Rod. A-Rod is a much better fielder. This deal makes perfect sense to me for everyone. The Yankees get A-Rod and lose only Soriano(if anyone else of note was included, they would be named now). Good deal. The Rangers get rid of $16 million of payroll a year for a player that wasn't the answer to their problems. Good Deal. A-Rod gives up $9 million a year to play for a team that has averaged a World Series win every 4 years for the last century. Good Deal. Soriano gets to go to a last place team that still doesn't have any pitching. Goo.. Ok, it is a good deal for almost everyone involved.

bravosnakeeyes · 02-15-2004, 04:42 PM

its not definete that the yankees will win the world series.... they'll score a lot of runs but their pitching sucks... unless they trade for one of the A's pitchers i still think boston can beat them with their addition of schilling

Mondak · 02-15-2004, 04:50 PM

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Originally posted by salsa2
just so everyone is clear, Contrares is NOT part of this deal. It is Soriano and a player to be named later ( which is supposedly not Navarro).

Well that is welcome news! I would not say their pitching sucks - it is just not what it used to be. I always love to remember the days of Wettland and Rivera as setup and closer (not in that order). I think that if they can beef up their pen some more OR Karsay does really well they can win a shitload of games. Karsay used to be pretty good. If "Flash" can get it done, we can just have our starters go 6 or so and then shut it down and own 6 - 7 - 8. That is the team I cannot wait to see. If that is it, their starting rotation will look pretty damn nice after all this talk.

Mondak · 02-15-2004, 05:05 PM

I just went back and looked at one of my favorite Yankees teams ever: 1996. Like I said - I loved that bullpen really think THAT was the key to that team. Games were OVER by the 6th inning b/c Rivera and Wettland were unhittable in 7-9.

Check out their rotation then:

Pettite 3.87ERA
Jimmy Key 4.68
Kenny Rogers 4.68
Dwight Gooden 5.01
Cone / Rimero Mendoza ~4.50

These guys were a collection of older vetrens that had just enough left in the tank. If we look at this year's staff (Projected)

Kevin Brown
Jose Contrares
Jon Leiber
Javier Vasquez
Mike Mussina

I would say it is almost BETTER than it was in 1996 from a starter view. The 'pen of:

Gordon
Rivera
Karsay
Gabe White
Felix Heredia

Is not too bad at all. Karsey and Gordon are not too shabby.

Well, like I said above, I don't like the trade, but I do think this team is going to be very good. The lineup is just staggering and I won't even bother talking about it.

Go Yanks!

02-14-2004, 09:03 AM	#1 (permalink)
JoeyB feeling tingly	A-Rod to N-Y Newsday reports that the Yanks are interested in trading for disgruntled Texas SS Alex Rodriguez. The "trade" would send Alfonso soriano, Jose Contreras and a minor leaguer to the Rangers for the high priced former MVP. I appreciate someone dangling that in front of the Yankee fans---but does anyone actually believe that this is possible??? If Boston couldn't get it done with Nomar, do you think NY can get it done with Soriano as the centerpiece of the deal?? __________________ My mom is a Diamondbacks fan. She really likes the Big Unit

02-14-2004, 10:23 AM	#4 (permalink)
djtestudo Baltimoron Location: Beeeeeautiful Bel Air, MD	Well, the prospect is supposedly Navarro, who I think is the heir apparent to Posada, so it's not like he's just any crap. Of course, it means he's the team's last real prospect. The deal makes no sense. You can survive with a 3B platoon with what you have elsewhere. The deal opens a big hole at second. And, moving A-Rod makes no sense as he's a better shortstop both defensively and offensively then Jeter could ever dream of being. Not to mention that even with Navarro and Soriano, the Rangers are getting a Texas-sized shaft. __________________ "Final thought: I just rented Michael Moore's Bowling for Columbine. Frankly, it was the worst sports movie I've ever seen." --Peter Schmuck, The (Baltimore) Sun

02-14-2004, 11:44 AM	#5 (permalink)
forseti-6 Existentialist Location: New York City	This trade is stupid on both ends. The Yankees currently have a hole at 3rd. Doing this trade will fill the hole at 3rd, but create one at 2nd and lose a starter. The Rangers would be getting rid of Arod, but get a good hitting 2b that can't field for crap, a pitcher that is unproven and a prospect that is just that. No way will this trade happen. __________________ "Don't cry because it's over. Smile because it happened." - Dr. Seuss

02-14-2004, 11:51 AM	#6 (permalink)
Halx Please touch this. Owner/Admin Location: Manhattan	They would make A-Rod a 2B? ugh __________________ You have found this post informative. -The Administrator [Don't Feed The Animals]

02-14-2004, 02:43 PM	#8 (permalink)
goddfather40 Llama Location: Cali-for-nye-a	FWIW, Now I just heard on CBS that CBS sportsline and also, as mentioned before, Newsday report that the Yankees and Rangers have AGREED, in principle, to make this trade. It is no longer a rumor..............allegedly. __________________ My name is goddfather40 and I approved this message. I got ho's and I got bitches, In C++ I branch with switches -MC Plus+

02-14-2004, 09:27 AM	#2 (permalink)
gov135 Junkie Location: Midwest	This would be pretty stupid on alot of levels. 1. Texas isn't getting very much at all. 2. George must have forgot that he already has an all-star shortstop - and a true leader whom the team revolves around.

02-14-2004, 02:03 PM	#7 (permalink)
bond007 Junkie Location: too far from Texas	who's to say that Soriano remains at 2B? If I'm Texas, I make this trade... convert Soriano to CF, and sign someone like Todd Walker to play 2B...

02-14-2004, 03:08 PM	#10 (permalink)
djtestudo Baltimoron Location: Beeeeeautiful Bel Air, MD	The Yankees' payroll is now close to $190 million. Of the 29 other teams, maybe three are more then half that amount. In 1975 Bowie Kuhn, the commissioner at the time, vetoed a deal between the Yankees and A's where Steinbrenner bought three of the A's best players for well over a million dollars. His reasoning was that it went against the best interests of baseball. If Selig has any brains in that apparently empty skull of his, he will do the same thing here. As for the players involved, I can't figure out why Texas would do this except to get rid of A-Rod's contract. They have a very good young secondbaseman in Michael Young, and Soriano sucks defensively. Contraras was terrible in NY, so why would he be any good in that pitcher's hell the Ballpark in Arlington? Funny thing is, A-Rod's isn't the contract holding the team back; it's CHan Ho Park's. If they could get rid of HIM and as much of his contract as possible, they would be fine. There is no way to convince me that this deal should happen. __________________ "Final thought: I just rented Michael Moore's Bowling for Columbine. Frankly, it was the worst sports movie I've ever seen." --Peter Schmuck, The (Baltimore) Sun

02-14-2004, 03:45 PM	#11 (permalink)
Spartak Bang bang Location: New Zealand	Heh, I like this trade, saves me the trouble of creating a super-team like I do in every baseball computer game __________________ I can read your mind... looking at you... I can read your mind...

02-14-2004, 03:59 PM	#12 (permalink)
Artermis Insane Location: I live where all the morons live	Umm it gives the Rangers 20 million more a year to sign on players....if they had had that amount 2 months ago they would have been players for Vlad, Tejada and any other major player out there. Yankees do it because George wants to stick it to the Red Sox and this would be huge in doing...thumbing his nose...haha we pulled off what you couldnt. BTW Tim Kurijian (sp?) just said he thinks it is really going to happen and he usually knows his shit. Art

02-14-2004, 04:50 PM	#13 (permalink)
gov135 Junkie Location: Midwest	One other piece that we are missing - the player's union. They need to okay this deal, and if A-Rod is looking at a contract hit the size of the one he was gonna take to go to Boston, the union will veto the deal.

02-14-2004, 04:52 PM	#14 (permalink)
djtestudo Baltimoron Location: Beeeeeautiful Bel Air, MD	I seriously doubt that the Yankees are worried enough about the money to try and renegotiate the contract. __________________ "Final thought: I just rented Michael Moore's Bowling for Columbine. Frankly, it was the worst sports movie I've ever seen." --Peter Schmuck, The (Baltimore) Sun

02-14-2004, 06:04 PM	#15 (permalink)
Mondak Industrialist Location: Southern California	This trade sucks for the Yankees and is totally unneeded. I hope it gets vetoed to high hell. As a lot of you know - I am a huge Yankees fan. I like that they keep what they grow and am still upset about Pettite. Screw a 25 million dollar player. It is totally not needed. Sign some more pitching or something, but this is crazy. wasn't the butt load of power that we signed in Sheffield enough? __________________ All truth passes through three stages: First it is ridiculed Second, it is violently opposed and Third, it is accepted as self-evident. ARTHUR SCHOPENHAUER (1788-1860)

02-14-2004, 07:22 PM	#17 (permalink)
thephuse Psycho Location: NY	Doesnt the article say "minor-league pitcher"? I didnt see anyting about Contreras in that newsday article although i did hear of Navarro and Contreras in a seperate article talkin of a "possible" deal... if this is for a minor leaguer and soriano for a-rod... wow.. ( although i really like soriano.. ) __________________ b000yahed up your w000pah!! Joygasm~!!

02-14-2004, 09:06 PM	#20 (permalink)
rrf Crazy Location: Clemson	I wouldnt want to trade Soriano for A-Rod... Soriano was one homer away from a 40-40 season (correct me if Im wrong)... This whole Yankees-Sax fued is getting ridiculous. go SAX!

02-14-2004, 09:16 PM	#21 (permalink)
thephuse Psycho Location: NY	...... 1 homer away from 40-40... ... .. .. . . Excuse me.. did A-Rod NOT win the MVP last year? did he NOT hit 40 homers 6 yrs in a row? almost hittin 60 two years ago? Striking out 3 times less than soriano, and a gold-glove winner. I love Soriano, but anyone who says this is bad for the Yanks is just forcing it... The Sox took Schilling after talks broke down w/ the Yanks, and we took A-rod after talks broke down w/ Sox. Sheff, Vasquez, Brown > Foulke Go Yanks~ __________________ b000yahed up your w000pah!! Joygasm~!! Last edited by thephuse; 02-14-2004 at 09:39 PM..

02-14-2004, 10:55 PM	#22 (permalink)
Kurant Junkie Location: Don't worry about it.	Todd Walker is a Cub, good like signing him at 2nd. If you think Soriano for A-rod is stupid, your just that. Yankee's signed Homer Bush this year, he has struggled the last few years, but the guy knows how to hit, he hit .320 in 1999. Started 100+ games at 2nd base with less then 10 errors. He's a carrer .290 hitter. The guy knows how to hit, injuries have kept him from getting it done the last few years. It didn't cost them much, he's a good fielder, this guy can play, maybe he's finally healthy again.

02-14-2004, 10:59 PM	#23 (permalink)
alec Insane Location: Washington DC	can we just all get a resounding 'fuck the yankees'?

02-15-2004, 07:08 AM	#25 (permalink)
thephuse Psycho Location: NY	lol haha... __________________ b000yahed up your w000pah!! Joygasm~!!

02-15-2004, 11:08 AM	#27 (permalink)
Esen TFPer formaly known as Chauncey Location: North East	This is an awesome trade for th eYankees , Steinbrenner knew for a long time that Arod was going to be a yankee. I just wonder how much they had to pay Boone for pretending getting hurt lol. j/k But do you really think that Steinbrener has any intention having a weak 2nd base. He knows something that we don't. Also isn t Arod/ Jeter really good friends. Right there that is a big plus. I hope that this trade goes through only even for the simple fact that it would piss off Boston fans. __________________ ~Esen What is everyone doing in my room?

02-15-2004, 11:31 AM	#28 (permalink)
AL9045 Addict Location: Virginia	I wonder if Soriano has killed himself yet.

02-15-2004, 12:18 PM	#29 (permalink)
JoeyB feeling tingly	The amazing thing is, that when you look at pitching, defense and intangibles, Boston still might have the better team. I can't imagine someone being reluctant to trade Soriano for one of the all-time greats. Soriano is an incredible talent, but if you can get A-Rod, you get him. __________________ My mom is a Diamondbacks fan. She really likes the Big Unit

02-15-2004, 01:20 PM	#30 (permalink)
Mondak Industrialist Location: Southern California	On the Contrares issue: I really liked seeing what he could do at the end of last year. After he got comfortable, he really played well. I was / am looking forward to seeing him either in the rotation for the Yanks or as the killer setup man for Rivera. That 1 - 2 punch of unhittable guys out the the pen is always great. I hope he is not included if this stupid trade does go through. (Notice I am still in the denial phase of this) Finally - where is mikeychulupa on all of this? __________________ All truth passes through three stages: First it is ridiculed Second, it is violently opposed and Third, it is accepted as self-evident. ARTHUR SCHOPENHAUER (1788-1860)

02-15-2004, 01:23 PM	#31 (permalink)
Parker Crazy	Checkmate to the Red Sox. I do not see how the Yankees will lse with that line-up. I am a Cubs Fan and I am extremely happy that the Yankees are in the AL. The Evil Empire has done it again.

02-15-2004, 02:22 PM	#32 (permalink)
dylanmarsh Sleepy Head	It won't matter much when Foulke, in game 7 of the 2004 ALCS, strikes out Jeter, A-Rod, and Giambi in order to send the Sox back to the World Series for the first time since '86.

02-15-2004, 02:33 PM	#33 (permalink)
AL9045 Addict Location: Virginia	This is like Rasheed Wallace getting traded to the Hawks, he's a star player on a shitty team. I wonder how much he can take...

02-15-2004, 02:53 PM	#34 (permalink)
salsa2 Tilted Location: New Jersey	just so everyone is clear, Contrares is NOT part of this deal. It is Soriano and a player to be named later ( which is supposedly not Navarro).

02-15-2004, 04:25 PM	#36 (permalink)
MontanaXVI Junkie Location: Go A's!!!!	somewhere i read before how much big G just had to pay as a luxury tax for being over the cap, any numbers on how much he just paid and what this will do to that number next season? __________________ Spank you very much

02-15-2004, 04:31 PM	#37 (permalink)
grayman you can't see me Location: Illinois	I don't understand why the Yankees aren't moving Jeter instead of A-Rod. A-Rod is a much better fielder. This deal makes perfect sense to me for everyone. The Yankees get A-Rod and lose only Soriano(if anyone else of note was included, they would be named now). Good deal. The Rangers get rid of $16 million of payroll a year for a player that wasn't the answer to their problems. Good Deal. A-Rod gives up $9 million a year to play for a team that has averaged a World Series win every 4 years for the last century. Good Deal. Soriano gets to go to a last place team that still doesn't have any pitching. Goo.. Ok, it is a good deal for almost everyone involved. __________________ That's right - I'm a guy in a suit eating a Blizzard. F U.

02-15-2004, 04:42 PM	#38 (permalink)
bravosnakeeyes Upright	its not definete that the yankees will win the world series.... they'll score a lot of runs but their pitching sucks... unless they trade for one of the A's pitchers i still think boston can beat them with their addition of schilling

02-15-2004, 05:05 PM	#40 (permalink)
Mondak Industrialist Location: Southern California	I just went back and looked at one of my favorite Yankees teams ever: 1996. Like I said - I loved that bullpen really think THAT was the key to that team. Games were OVER by the 6th inning b/c Rivera and Wettland were unhittable in 7-9. Check out their rotation then: Pettite 3.87ERA Jimmy Key 4.68 Kenny Rogers 4.68 Dwight Gooden 5.01 Cone / Rimero Mendoza ~4.50 These guys were a collection of older vetrens that had just enough left in the tank. If we look at this year's staff (Projected) Kevin Brown Jose Contrares Jon Leiber Javier Vasquez Mike Mussina I would say it is almost BETTER than it was in 1996 from a starter view. The 'pen of: Gordon Rivera Karsay Gabe White Felix Heredia Is not too bad at all. Karsey and Gordon are not too shabby. Well, like I said above, I don't like the trade, but I do think this team is going to be very good. The lineup is just staggering and I won't even bother talking about it. Go Yanks! __________________ All truth passes through three stages: First it is ridiculed Second, it is violently opposed and Third, it is accepted as self-evident. ARTHUR SCHOPENHAUER (1788-1860)