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djtestudo · 02-15-2004, 05:18 PM

For the luxury tax, I believe it is something like this. However much over the limit you are, you have to pay 50% of that amount as luxury tax. I think the limit is something like $115-120 million, so the Yankees would have to pay $35-37 million in tax.

Not chump change, but not necessarally a restriction on them.

Personally, I think that if they want to keep this system, they should at least make it a 200% tax or something. Steinbrenner might not worry about a $190 million payroll when he has to pay $35 million, but I think he'd be discouraged somewhat if he had to pay $140 million.

Of course, Bob Costas' plan from his book Fair Ball is even better IMO.

Mondak · 02-15-2004, 05:23 PM

I am okay with the luxury tax as long as it also establishes a MINIMUM salary as well. There are teams out there with cheap ass owners who just sit back and wait for their tax payment to come in. I say you can only get your share of the tax if you field a quality team. It is supposed to promote parity between big and small market teams right? Well let's see them put their money where their mouth is.

Don't pocket it you POS cheap bastards. Trot a out team that can win and see what happens. Just look at the Angels and the Marlins. You don't need the highest salary to win. . . Just a reasonable one.

djtestudo · 02-15-2004, 05:30 PM

That's why I like Costas' suggestion.

Take all the media revenue, both local and national, from all the teams and throw it in a pot. Each team takes an equal amount of this. This amount becomes the minimum salary floor for the next season, so every team has to spend that much. The salary cap would be 3-4x that, or something similar.

Each team keeps their ticket revenue in the structure they use now (visiting team gets 30-40% or something), and all other revenue they get from merchendising and concessions and that stuff.

This keeps teams like the Sox and Yankees from buying whomever they can get, while teams like Milwaukee and Pittsburgh have to spend a certain amount on players.

Mondak · 02-15-2004, 07:16 PM

yeah - that is not bad - although I would say the home team should be able to keep at least a percentage of their own TV money. It would kind of suck to have to give up all your money for TV when you negotiate a better contract than anyone else.

Football does it that way, but football has a way more national presence than baseball.

Not terrible though and better than what it is now.

JoeyB · 02-15-2004, 07:34 PM

...and all of this started because Aaron Boone went down with an injury. Once again, Aaron *bleeping* Boone screws the Red Sox. Once off a knuckleball and once from a basketball.

Boone won't contribute much to the stat page as a Yankee, but when A-Rod hits his 700th homerun in pinstripes, we'll think of you, Aaron.

bond007 · 02-15-2004, 08:31 PM

assuming Soriano bounces back from his postseason funk... this is a great trade for Texas. much, much better than what they would've gotten from Boston. in fact, it seems the only real loser in this trade would be the Red Sox.

Hrothgar · 02-16-2004, 12:25 AM

I'm really starting to hate baseball now. Is it too early to think about the NFL?

BigBlueWrecking · 02-16-2004, 05:59 AM

This trade makes perfect sense. They are not paying ARod nearly as much as the Rangers were. He will average 16 million or so a year for the rest of his contract from the Yanks. Any team would sign him for that.

Soriano is a very good player, and he is 3 years younger....but ARod is the best player in the game. I just hope all of the ego's will work together.

pan6467 · 02-16-2004, 08:56 AM

This whole trade, in my opinion is to cement the fact that noone but the Yankees can win.

Sure the Cubs and BoSox may have a little something something, but this is baseball saying they give up.

I expect come the next collective bargaining session, MLB tells the union either they get a salary cap and revenue sharing or we'll see I'd say close to 10 teams fold. They cannot keep affording to lose fans by the millions like they are.

If they don't fix baseball, within 10 years there won't be baseball.

Mondak · 02-16-2004, 10:44 AM

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Originally posted by pan6467
This whole trade, in my opinion is to cement the fact that noone but the Yankees can win.

I expect come the next collective bargaining session, MLB tells the union either they get a salary cap and revenue sharing or we'll see I'd say close to 10 teams fold. They cannot keep affording to lose fans by the millions like they are.

If they don't fix baseball, within 10 years there won't be baseball.

Hrmmmm - The Diamondbacks, Angels and Marlins won the World Series the last three years. I would think someone like you could sit back and laugh when the Yankees don't win instead of complaining about something that has not held true.

By the way - these small market teams are doing just fine living off the luxury tax payments and fielding cheap crappy teams year in and year out. Complain to your local owner about his not spending money if you want a better team. Your $10 hot dog that you bought at the game last year told me to tell you that.

djtestudo · 02-16-2004, 11:12 AM

No baseball team has EVER won a World Series with a player making $100+ million. The Yankees now have four such players in Giambi, Brown, Jeter, and A-Rod; none of whom is worth near the money they make, even in baseball terms.

japhyryder · 02-16-2004, 11:29 AM

They might be able to hit but the Yanks sure can't pitch. Boston vs. Cubs or Phils

jasonresno · 02-16-2004, 11:46 AM

"This whole trade, in my opinion is to cement the fact that noone but the Yankees can win. "

LMFAO at that stupid comment. Who won last year? Who won the year before that? Who won the year before that? Not the Yankees..

Zeld2.0 · 02-16-2004, 01:08 PM

Hell if anything baseball got more popular after last year (especially postseason) - and yes, the Yankees haven't won anything since theri game 7 loss to arizona in 2001

JoeyB · 02-16-2004, 04:46 PM

From the time of Catfish Hunter and Reggie Jackson, the Yankees have tried to buy titles. They've succeeded at times and failed at times.

Need I remind anyone of the high priced outfield of Dave Collins, Ken Griffey Sr. and Steve Kemp?

I give Steinbrenner credit in that he tries. He does whatever it takes to win. I agree that it's at the expense of smaller market teams, but as soon as someone says that he always buys titles....why haven't the Mets won anything in the last 18 years? How about the Dodgers? The Red Sox? The Orioles in the first few years of Angelos??

Let the Yanks spend. They give a lot of money to great players. Sometimes it translates into titles, sometimes it doesn't. As the Marlins celebrate their championship, tell me how the Yankees are bad for baseball. While the Angels bask in their incredible 2002 championship, tell me how NY is the evil empire.

thephuse · 02-16-2004, 04:53 PM

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Originally posted by JoeyB
The amazing thing is, that when you look at pitching, defense and intangibles, Boston still might have the better team.

Don't talk about intangibles for the Boston Redsox... something about a curse has kept them away from the WS. Last year, really, Boston had it goin, career years for the entire team and all.. Boone out of nowhere... "the ghosts eventually show up"...

And the Bosox defense isnt that great... Manny? whoever's playin 1st, 2nd... hehe... I guess its objectable as a Yankee fan

Also, unrelated.. the Yanks DONT have that bad of a pitchin staff.
Brown, Moose, Vasquez, Contreras, Lieber.
Everyone says "what if Contreras and Lieber suck?".. to that i say
"What if they do well?" If Lieber comes back to his self, and while 20 games like 3 yrs ago mite be unlikely, if he can get 12-15 games, while contreras gets 12-15... You gots urself a pretty good staff.

And Foulke.... His numbers are pretty decieving. He blew a few saves that his team won later, and struggled sometimes in pressure situations. He may be good, but he's not even a top 5 closer in my opinion... MO is

PS - Soriano is free agent next year.. *cough* Yanks sign him *cough*

edit - not fa next year

Averett · 02-16-2004, 05:44 PM

I hate the fucking Yankees.

Thats all I have to say.

forseti-6 · 02-16-2004, 06:15 PM

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Originally posted by thephuse
PS - Soriano is free agent next year.. *cough* Yanks sign him *cough*

If Tom Hicks was smart (and he's not) he'd sign Soriano to a long term deal NOW.

thephuse · 02-16-2004, 09:30 PM

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Originally posted by pan6467
If they don't fix baseball, within 10 years there won't be baseball.

Baseball is as popular as it has ever been. In fact, the RedSox v Yankees playoff games garnered more viewers in Boston than did the Patriots Superbowl...

(no wonder they shout "Yankees Suck" at Patriot parades"

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Originally posted by japhyryder
They might be able to hit but the Yanks sure can't pitch. Boston vs. Cubs or Phils

Is Brown, Moose, Vasquez, Contreras, Lieber, (Maddux?) really that horrible?... Like the "Yanks sure can't pitch?"... weird... Well, I'll tell you, Moose is nowhere near Bonderman's greatness...

djtestudo · 02-16-2004, 10:14 PM

The Red Sox vs. Yankees ALCS garnered huge ratings because it was the Red Sox vs. Yankees ALCS. There were some important reasons that people found it worth watching: the Curse, the Boston team of destiny, the pure hatred between the teams.

If it was the A's vs. the Twins, the ratings would have been D-E-A-D, despite the it featuring the best young pitching staff in baseball and two upstart small-market teams playing their hearts out.

jasonresno · 02-17-2004, 02:13 PM

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Originally posted by Averett
I hate the fucking Yankees.

Thats all I have to say.

Glad you put in absolutely nothing to the thread

.

Baseball will find a way to be more interesting.....it just will >.<. And there is some more pressure on the Yankees now to win win win...and when they lose...the haters will be over them like piranhas.

bond007 · 02-17-2004, 03:35 PM

in the A-Rod trade... does anyone know who the minor league "player to be named later" actually is???

djtestudo · 02-17-2004, 10:32 PM

Submitted for your approval...

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...simmons/040217

Quote:

Don't hand out the rings just yet
By Bill Simmons
Page 2 columnist

Ever see a dog getting trained on an electric fence?

It scampers around the backyard, wearing one of those stupid collars, chasing rabbits and birds, knowing it isn't supposed to pass a certain point in the yard. Only it gets a little carried away, and it can't help itself, and it's running, and it's running, and then ... ZAP!!!!!!!! Suddenly, it's high-tailing it back to the house, its tail tucked firmly between its legs.

Now starting at third base for the Yankees ... Alex Rodriguez.
For many Red Sox fans, the Yankees are the electric fence. This is how we were raised. And that's just the way it is.

So when the Evil Empire plucked A-Rod on Valentine's Day, you can imagine what happened. New Englanders simply freaked out. Utter chaos. WEEI moved into full-crisis mode. Posters on Sox message boards were urging everyone else to remain calm, like we were trapped in a well or something. My phone was ringing off the hook. Even my father -- a reasonable man, by all accounts -- turned into Nancy Kerrigan and did everything but scream "Why????? Why me?????"

My favorite phone call came from my buddy Hench, who was attending a wedding back East. When someone casually told him the news, poor Hench was done for the rest of the reception. His legs buckling under him, he stepped outside for fresh air, pacing in 30-degree weather like a maniac, finally leaving a 90-second message on my machine that featured 20 swears, three tirades and a climactic 10-letter expletive about Gene Orza. Happy Valentine's Day.

For whatever reason, I didn't flip out. Upon hearing the news that A-Rod had sold his soul, I made the same face that Brett Favre made after Donovan McNabb converted fourth-and-26, crossed with Dr. Loomis's goofy smirk after Michael Myers disappeared at the end of "Halloween." Remember that face? It's the "All right, I should be reeling from this, but I have to admit, that was pretty f*****g impressive" Face.

Anyway, that was me. I'm not standing on the ledge. Not even close. I like this stuff. This escalating Red Sox-Yankees feud was already the most compelling storyline in sports. Now it's even better. This baby is ON.

In fact, just to make Sox fans feel better, I came up with 33 random thoughts about the A-Rod trade, the Yanks and the upcoming season:

1. Last time I checked, pitchers and catchers haven't even reported yet. We have a full spring training and 162 games to go. Take a breath. Then take a deep breath. Maybe even go for a walk.

2. All right, how can this POSSIBLY turn out well with Jeter playing shortstop and A-Rod playing third? Defensively, Jeter has been a below-average shortstop for years -- every possible defensive statistic says so. A-Rod is significantly better. Maybe he isn't Ozzie in his prime, but his defense at a premium position was one of the things that made him special.

You're telling me that this isn't a little weird? You're telling me that the New York press won't be making a big deal of this? What happens when Jeter misses a few games -- he missed 43 last season -- and A-Rod takes over and shines at shortstop? A-Rod idolized Ripken, even insisting on calling pitches in Texas like Ripken did ... suddenly he's happy playing out of position next to a guy who can't carry his jock? This won't be a big deal? Really?

3. Consider this: No more Grady Little.

4. It's official: America has its greatest sports villains since either the Russian Hockey Team in 1980 or the Iron Sheik in the mid-'80's, depending on your perspective. They're like a cross between Cobra Kai and the Nazis in Victory -- everyone hates them now, no matter where you live. How is this a bad thing? Isn't it better that we all have something in common now?

5. Nineteen games against the Yanks. Nineteen. With another seven looming in October. Every one of them will feel like a football game now, not just the playoff games. And just wait until A-Rod steps out of the dugout at Fenway for the first time -- with 35,000 people booing lustily, with Murph and Sully showering him with swear words by the on-deck circle. Oh, it's on, baby.

6. For the first time in 16 years, the Red Sox have three prime starters, thanks to the addition of Schilling. Isn't this a stronger version of the team that came within one managerial boner of the World Series? Suddenly we're writing them off because a guy who's never even played in a World Series landed on the Yanks?

7. Have I mentioned that Pedro is in a contract year? Same with Lowe and Nomar? Except for the occasional Mike Cameron, does anyone ever have a lousy contract year? It's human nature, isn't it? Just wait until I enter my contract year this spring -- I'll be putting up mailbags three at a time.

8. During A-Rod's final season in Seattle, the Mariners won 91 games. The following season, they won 116. Look it up.

9. This will make you feel better: When I'm running ESPN6 some day, I'm going to have a show where Susie Essman shows up at Tom Hicks's front door and screams obscenities at him. When he goes to work, we're going to follow him, then she'll scream more obscenities at him. When the courts eventually become involved, she will stand 100 feet away from him with a bullhorn, and continue screaming obscenities at him. This will go on for as long as I'm running ESPN6. I promise you that.

10. Wasn't Alfonso Soriano being called "The Next Hank Aaron" as recently as nine months ago? Wasn't he their only potential franchise player under the age of 26? Was the offensive upgrade from Soriano to A-Rod THAT significant? According to ESPN.com's Jim Baker, A-Rod had 67 win shares over the past two seasons ... 10 more than Soriano. I don't know what this means, but it makes me feel better. And Soriano hasn't even come close to hitting his ceiling yet -- his second and third seasons compare favorably to A-Rod at the same point of his career.

11. You know how we have K-Rod, T-Mac, J-Will, J-Rich, J-Lo and all these other annoying celebrity acronyms? Well, "A-Rod" started the whole thing. Did we really want a guy on our team who once caused Linda Cohn to say the words "I-Rod" instead of "Pudge"?

12. Once again: No more Grady Little.

13. Even if the Yankees win the Series, they had to break the $200 million salary mark and destroy the spirit of baseball in order to do it. Warrants mentioning.

On the flip side, if the Sox had landed A-Rod -- with the assist from Bud Selig allowing them a bargaining window that flagrantly violated the collective bargaining agreement -- any championship would have carried a small asterisk with it. Everyone would have said, "You could only end the curse because the Commish bent the rules for you." Who wants that? I would rather win without help. Maybe I'm crazy.

14. Now Dan Shaughnessy can update his "Curse of the Bambino" book for its 162nd printing ... clearly, he needs to make more money off this. God bless him. Do you think he patented the "Valentine's Day Massacre" phrase on Saturday at 2 p.m.?

15. That reminds me, don't let the national media fool you. This is not the second coming of the Ruth sale. For one thing, the Sox didn't screw up by passing on that trade. Nomar and Mags were a wash, offensively. A-Rod was obviously an upgrade from Manny -- in terms of defense, reliability and intangibles, with an advantage in homers but a lower OPS -- but the Sox were shelling out significant cash AND giving up Williamson and blue-chip prospects in the process. From a baseball standpoint, it wasn't a slam-dunk like last week's Yankees trade. I don't care what anyone else says. I wouldn't have made the deal, either.

And then there's this: A-Rod isn't Babe Ruth. He was considered the best player in baseball partly because he played shortstop ... and he's not playing there anymore. So calm down. The guy hasn't even been in a World Series. And as we witnessed with the careers of Griffey, Thomas, Belle and others, just because you look like a first-ballot Hall of Famer in your late 20's doesn't mean you're a first-ballot Hall of Famer in your late 30's. Just look at what happened to Kathleen Turner after "Romancing the Stone."

16. Not only did A-Rod make People's "50 Most Beautiful People" issue, he appeared in one of those "Hot Couples" photos in S.I.'s Swimsuit Issue last week -- just him leaning over his wife in a waterfall. Really, we were throwing Nomar under the bus for that?

(And speaking of Nomar . . . )

17. No-mahhhhhhhhhhh! For everyone who doubted him and didn't mind the thought of him playing somewhere else -- like me, for instance -- isn't there at least a decent chance that he shoves it in everyone's face? Nothing would make me happier, with the possible exception of Julie from the "Real World/Road Rules Challenge" getting arrested for trying to unlock Veronica's safety harness two weeks ago (don't ask).

18. When you think about it, A-Rod selfishly took $252 million from the Rangers, knowing full well that they wouldn't have enough money to surround him with comparable talent. After three seasons, he bailed on them and left them for dead. Now he's a good guy because he agreed to play third so he can win a ring? I don't get it.

19. At least one more year of Manny. What can I say? I like watching the guy hit.

20. Another silver lining: This A-Rod fiasco made us realize that Ben Affleck needs to be stopped. I loved "Good Will Hunting" as much as anyone, but did you see him ranting and raving at the Daytona 500? Since when did Ben Affleck become The Voice of Red Sox Fans? Who nominated him? Would a true Sox fan ever propose to a chick with a big ass from the Bronx? In a million years? I really think we should vote on this -- let's have an election and everything. Ben Affleck needs to be stopped. I'm not kidding.

(And really, who is Affleck to lecture us about someone ruining the sport of baseball? Isn't this the same guy who sold out with "Reindeer Games," "Paycheck," "Pearl Harbor," "Armageddon," "Gigli" and everything else? Has any actor cashed in as gleefully and gratuitously as Ben Affleck? How is this different than A-Rod weaseling his way to New York? And when you think about it, isn't working for the Weinsteins basically the Hollywood equivalent of playing for the Yankees? I thought so.)

21. Seriously ... no more Grady Little.

22. There isn't any athlete in recent memory -- maybe even in the history of team sports -- who will have more pressure on him than Alex Rodriguez this season. Everyone will be watching his every move. Every Yankee fan will blame him if things get screwed up. And he just spent the past three years playing in the middle of nowhere, under absolutely no pressure whatsoever. Hmmmmmm.

23. This could be the year that Mariano Rivera's arm comes flying off in a game. Let's face it: He's been on borrowed time for three years. Remember when the Bluesmobile fell apart at the end of "The Blues Brothers"? Exactly.

24. Speaking of breakdowns, when Kevin Brown's body breaks down this season -- and he WILL break down -- the Yanks won't have enough in their farm system to trade for another frontline starter. Does a playoff rotation of Vasquez, Contreras, Mussina and Lieber scare you in October? Me neither. I'll take Pedro, Schilling, Lowe and Wakefield, thanks.

25. Keith Foulke. First reliable Sox closer in five years. 'Nuff said.

26. Curt Schilling. Potential Hall of Famer. World Series Champion. Leader in the clubhouse. Could give a crap about curses and panicking fans. I'll go into battle with him any day.

27. The Yanks have the weirdest clubhouse of all-time -- they're like a roto team sprung to life, aren't they? Sheffield, Brown, Giambi, Contreras, Matsui, A-Rod ... it's like one of those "Saturday Night Live" seasons where Lorne Michaels brought in too many cast members and all hell broke loose. Doesn't clubhouse chemistry count for anything? And will A-Rod's reputation as a prima donna precede him?

28. Along those same lines, you can't buy your way to a championship. Many have tried. Few have succeeded. Last time I checked, you still have to play the whole season. In the words of Adam Carolla, "You can't just go out and buy a championship ring ... well, unless Dwight Gooden runs out of coke."

29. Playing second base this season ... Enrique Wilson. I don't even have a joke here.

30. At some point during the season, someone will be bright enough to make a "Yankees Most Wanted" deck of playing cards, along the lines of those Iraqi cards last spring. And we can play poker with them and bash the Yankees and stuff. I look forward to it.

31. Just in case you forgot ... no more Grady Little.

32. If you're upset because the Yankees ruined the spirit of baseball as we know it, just remember: EVERY business works this way. Monopolies come in and swallow up rivals that can't compete, whether we're talking about the Yankees, Microsoft or Oprah. It's a part of life. Maybe this mess will even inspire things to change some day.

(Nahhhhhhhh . . . )

33. And finally ...

I didn't want to head into spring training as the favorite. It's much more enjoyable playing the role of the underdog, hoping to make history, hoping to topple the Evil Empire, hoping this is the year we finally bust through that electric fence. And if it happens -- after everything that happened this winter, after Game Seven last October, after nearly nine decades of falling short -- I can't imagine anything better as a sports fan.

This is fun. This is going to be fun.

I keep telling myself this.

perripken · 02-18-2004, 04:31 PM

err.. thanks djtestudo, I feel much better being an Orioles fan.

jasonresno · 02-18-2004, 06:30 PM

No offence...but that '33 reasons' list was really stupid and biased...almost to the point of me wanting to rip my eyes out and wearing a Bartman jersey to a Cub game..

KeyserSoze · 02-20-2004, 08:33 PM

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kpxrob · 02-21-2004, 09:37 AM

yanks got a-rod!! the yankees are unstoppable now!! woohoo!! GO YANKEES!

KeyserSoze · 02-21-2004, 09:54 AM

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Originally posted by kpxrob
yanks got a-rod!! the yankees are unstoppable now!! woohoo!! GO YANKEES!

They haven't won JACK SHIT yet!!

thephuse · 02-21-2004, 02:53 PM

hehe...

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Originally posted by BigBlueWrecking
Soriano is a very good player, and he is 3 years younger....but ARod is the best player in the game. I just hope all of the ego's will work together.

Soriano is 28

02-15-2004, 05:18 PM	#41 (permalink)
djtestudo Baltimoron Location: Beeeeeautiful Bel Air, MD	For the luxury tax, I believe it is something like this. However much over the limit you are, you have to pay 50% of that amount as luxury tax. I think the limit is something like $115-120 million, so the Yankees would have to pay $35-37 million in tax. Not chump change, but not necessarally a restriction on them. Personally, I think that if they want to keep this system, they should at least make it a 200% tax or something. Steinbrenner might not worry about a $190 million payroll when he has to pay $35 million, but I think he'd be discouraged somewhat if he had to pay $140 million. Of course, Bob Costas' plan from his book Fair Ball is even better IMO. __________________ "Final thought: I just rented Michael Moore's Bowling for Columbine. Frankly, it was the worst sports movie I've ever seen." --Peter Schmuck, The (Baltimore) Sun

02-15-2004, 05:23 PM	#42 (permalink)
Mondak Industrialist Location: Southern California	I am okay with the luxury tax as long as it also establishes a MINIMUM salary as well. There are teams out there with cheap ass owners who just sit back and wait for their tax payment to come in. I say you can only get your share of the tax if you field a quality team. It is supposed to promote parity between big and small market teams right? Well let's see them put their money where their mouth is. Don't pocket it you POS cheap bastards. Trot a out team that can win and see what happens. Just look at the Angels and the Marlins. You don't need the highest salary to win. . . Just a reasonable one. __________________ All truth passes through three stages: First it is ridiculed Second, it is violently opposed and Third, it is accepted as self-evident. ARTHUR SCHOPENHAUER (1788-1860)

02-15-2004, 05:30 PM	#43 (permalink)
djtestudo Baltimoron Location: Beeeeeautiful Bel Air, MD	That's why I like Costas' suggestion. Take all the media revenue, both local and national, from all the teams and throw it in a pot. Each team takes an equal amount of this. This amount becomes the minimum salary floor for the next season, so every team has to spend that much. The salary cap would be 3-4x that, or something similar. Each team keeps their ticket revenue in the structure they use now (visiting team gets 30-40% or something), and all other revenue they get from merchendising and concessions and that stuff. This keeps teams like the Sox and Yankees from buying whomever they can get, while teams like Milwaukee and Pittsburgh have to spend a certain amount on players. __________________ "Final thought: I just rented Michael Moore's Bowling for Columbine. Frankly, it was the worst sports movie I've ever seen." --Peter Schmuck, The (Baltimore) Sun

02-15-2004, 07:16 PM	#44 (permalink)
Mondak Industrialist Location: Southern California	yeah - that is not bad - although I would say the home team should be able to keep at least a percentage of their own TV money. It would kind of suck to have to give up all your money for TV when you negotiate a better contract than anyone else. Football does it that way, but football has a way more national presence than baseball. Not terrible though and better than what it is now. __________________ All truth passes through three stages: First it is ridiculed Second, it is violently opposed and Third, it is accepted as self-evident. ARTHUR SCHOPENHAUER (1788-1860)

02-15-2004, 07:34 PM	#45 (permalink)
JoeyB feeling tingly	...and all of this started because Aaron Boone went down with an injury. Once again, Aaron bleeping Boone screws the Red Sox. Once off a knuckleball and once from a basketball. Boone won't contribute much to the stat page as a Yankee, but when A-Rod hits his 700th homerun in pinstripes, we'll think of you, Aaron. __________________ My mom is a Diamondbacks fan. She really likes the Big Unit

02-15-2004, 08:31 PM	#46 (permalink)
bond007 Junkie Location: too far from Texas	assuming Soriano bounces back from his postseason funk... this is a great trade for Texas. much, much better than what they would've gotten from Boston. in fact, it seems the only real loser in this trade would be the Red Sox.

02-16-2004, 12:25 AM	#47 (permalink)
Hrothgar He's My Girl Location: The Champagne Douche	I'm really starting to hate baseball now. Is it too early to think about the NFL? __________________ The fortunes of war favored Hrothgar.

02-16-2004, 05:59 AM	#48 (permalink)
BigBlueWrecking Psycho	This trade makes perfect sense. They are not paying ARod nearly as much as the Rangers were. He will average 16 million or so a year for the rest of his contract from the Yanks. Any team would sign him for that. Soriano is a very good player, and he is 3 years younger....but ARod is the best player in the game. I just hope all of the ego's will work together.

02-16-2004, 08:56 AM	#49 (permalink)
pan6467 Lennonite Priest Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA	This whole trade, in my opinion is to cement the fact that noone but the Yankees can win. Sure the Cubs and BoSox may have a little something something, but this is baseball saying they give up. I expect come the next collective bargaining session, MLB tells the union either they get a salary cap and revenue sharing or we'll see I'd say close to 10 teams fold. They cannot keep affording to lose fans by the millions like they are. If they don't fix baseball, within 10 years there won't be baseball. __________________ I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?"

02-16-2004, 11:12 AM	#51 (permalink)
djtestudo Baltimoron Location: Beeeeeautiful Bel Air, MD	No baseball team has EVER won a World Series with a player making $100+ million. The Yankees now have four such players in Giambi, Brown, Jeter, and A-Rod; none of whom is worth near the money they make, even in baseball terms. __________________ "Final thought: I just rented Michael Moore's Bowling for Columbine. Frankly, it was the worst sports movie I've ever seen." --Peter Schmuck, The (Baltimore) Sun

02-16-2004, 11:29 AM	#52 (permalink)
japhyryder no one special Location: Charlotte, NC	They might be able to hit but the Yanks sure can't pitch. Boston vs. Cubs or Phils __________________ It's only entertainment, someone's sick idea of a joke.

02-16-2004, 11:46 AM	#53 (permalink)
jasonresno Banned	"This whole trade, in my opinion is to cement the fact that noone but the Yankees can win. " LMFAO at that stupid comment. Who won last year? Who won the year before that? Who won the year before that? Not the Yankees..

02-16-2004, 01:08 PM	#54 (permalink)
Zeld2.0 Cherry-pickin' devil's advocate Location: Los Angeles	Hell if anything baseball got more popular after last year (especially postseason) - and yes, the Yankees haven't won anything since theri game 7 loss to arizona in 2001

02-16-2004, 04:46 PM	#55 (permalink)
JoeyB feeling tingly	From the time of Catfish Hunter and Reggie Jackson, the Yankees have tried to buy titles. They've succeeded at times and failed at times. Need I remind anyone of the high priced outfield of Dave Collins, Ken Griffey Sr. and Steve Kemp? I give Steinbrenner credit in that he tries. He does whatever it takes to win. I agree that it's at the expense of smaller market teams, but as soon as someone says that he always buys titles....why haven't the Mets won anything in the last 18 years? How about the Dodgers? The Red Sox? The Orioles in the first few years of Angelos?? Let the Yanks spend. They give a lot of money to great players. Sometimes it translates into titles, sometimes it doesn't. As the Marlins celebrate their championship, tell me how the Yankees are bad for baseball. While the Angels bask in their incredible 2002 championship, tell me how NY is the evil empire. __________________ My mom is a Diamondbacks fan. She really likes the Big Unit

02-16-2004, 05:44 PM	#57 (permalink)
Averett Is In Love Location: I'm workin' on it	I hate the fucking Yankees. Thats all I have to say. __________________ Absence is to love what wind is to fire. It extinguishes the small, it enkindles the great.

02-16-2004, 10:14 PM	#60 (permalink)
djtestudo Baltimoron Location: Beeeeeautiful Bel Air, MD	The Red Sox vs. Yankees ALCS garnered huge ratings because it was the Red Sox vs. Yankees ALCS. There were some important reasons that people found it worth watching: the Curse, the Boston team of destiny, the pure hatred between the teams. If it was the A's vs. the Twins, the ratings would have been D-E-A-D, despite the it featuring the best young pitching staff in baseball and two upstart small-market teams playing their hearts out. __________________ "Final thought: I just rented Michael Moore's Bowling for Columbine. Frankly, it was the worst sports movie I've ever seen." --Peter Schmuck, The (Baltimore) Sun

02-17-2004, 03:35 PM	#62 (permalink)
bond007 Junkie Location: too far from Texas	in the A-Rod trade... does anyone know who the minor league "player to be named later" actually is???

02-18-2004, 04:31 PM	#64 (permalink)
perripken Now a registered fossil Location: Home of the shrinking Kodak	err.. thanks djtestudo, I feel much better being an Orioles fan. __________________ And in the end, it’s not the years in your life that count. It’s the life in your years. Abraham Lincoln

02-18-2004, 06:30 PM	#65 (permalink)
jasonresno Banned	No offence...but that '33 reasons' list was really stupid and biased...almost to the point of me wanting to rip my eyes out and wearing a Bartman jersey to a Cub game..

02-20-2004, 08:33 PM	#66 (permalink)
KeyserSoze Psycho Location: Lost Angeles	Skankees who?? .......................-"""-............L ...................../-=-....\...........I .................. (_\|a.a/.. \|_.........G ................... /."..\...,_)........H ..............._ .. \'=' /__/...........T ............. /.\_. .;--' '-........... ............. \_\_)//...,\..\.........DA .............. \.\/;.. .... \..\........ ............... \_.\|.........\|.\|.........H ..................-\.'.... _/_/.........A .............. ./. _;.....(_..\.........L ............. /../'...'\...\ \\_/.........O .............\|_ / ......\|..\|.\\......... ........... /.._)...... /. /..\|\|........ .......... /../......._/. /...//........ .......... \_/......( '-/....\|\|......... ...................../. /.....\\ .-..... .....................\_/.......\\'_'/.... .................................`"`..... ANGELS RULE!! __________________ THERE IS NO KEYSER SOZE!!

02-21-2004, 09:37 AM	#67 (permalink)
kpxrob Upright	yanks got a-rod!! the yankees are unstoppable now!! woohoo!! GO YANKEES!