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speederbike · 01-23-2004, 05:18 PM

Caps trade Jagr to the Rangers for Carter, AND pay half his salary. And still I think the Caps get the better deal.

Comments?

djtestudo · 01-23-2004, 05:29 PM

Thank God. They need to tear that team apart.

Ace_O_Spades · 01-23-2004, 05:32 PM

My prediction:

The Rangers still suck, and will miss the postseason again.

All the talent in the world can't save that team... its like the black hole of talent, not even light can escape

silent_jay · 01-23-2004, 05:38 PM

The Rangers have a great team on paper, but on the ice they blow. Jagr won't help much. Carter going the other way maybe he can start scoring goals again, but the Caps need more than Carter.

maximusveritas · 01-23-2004, 06:51 PM

Sather's just trying to save his ass by getting yet another big-name star. Problem is, he got another goalscorer when they really need help on defense and in the net. Still, they are only a couple games out of that final playoff spot, so they might sneak in.

BulletCatcher · 01-23-2004, 11:14 PM

The New York Rangers are the Democrat Party of the NHL. Instead of actually working to fix the problems they just continue to throw more money at it

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mbchills · 01-24-2004, 12:30 AM

grrr rangers! they do have a great time, maybe its time for a new coach? or boot camp.

Ace_O_Spades · 01-24-2004, 12:50 AM

maybe its time to stop pampering their players and make them practice in some cold ass junior hockey rink, and have no luxuries, until they start playing like they're paid to play, and how they played before coming to NYC

i think it could work

Tempboy · 01-24-2004, 01:54 AM

Any player that gets traded or signs with the NYR automatically starts to suck, and yet is paid 3x their true value.

dylanmarsh · 01-24-2004, 05:51 AM

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Originally posted by BulletCatcher
The New York Rangers are the Democrat Party of the NHL. Instead of actually working to fix the problems they just continue to throw more money at it .

Actually, I think the Rangers more closely resemble our US government as a whole: The Democrats wanting to throw money around, The Republicans with their lame-brain ideas of we can beat everybody, and Mark Messier representing the working immigrant who has been allowed to stay too long and is taking a job away from a hard working AHLer.

Seriously, though, what the hell are the Rangers and Glen Sather thinking? This is not 1985 and offense doesn't win Cups anymore. If the Rangers were serious about winning, they would've upgraded their goalie, picked up a solid defenseman, and left Jagr to rot in DC.

Bad trade by a poorly run organization. The only team that is run worse is the Hawks.

FlyinHawaiin343 · 01-24-2004, 08:24 PM

I actually think this is a pretty good trade for the Rangers even though its not what they need right now. Jagr is still one of the best players in the NHL and trading Carter for Jagr and half his salary is a steal for the Rags.

mbchills · 01-24-2004, 08:55 PM

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Originally posted by dylanmarsh
Actually, I think the Rangers more closely resemble our US government as a whole: The Democrats wanting to throw money around, The Republicans with their lame-brain ideas of we can beat everybody, and Mark Messier representing the working immigrant who has been allowed to stay too long and is taking a job away from a hard working AHLer.

Seriously, though, what the hell are the Rangers and Glen Sather thinking? This is not 1985 and offense doesn't win Cups anymore. If the Rangers were serious about winning, they would've upgraded their goalie, picked up a solid defenseman, and left Jagr to rot in DC.

Bad trade by a poorly run organization. The only team that is run worse is the Hawks.

nice comparison

rangers dont have that bad of a defense tho, but i agree on the goalie

Tempboy · 01-24-2004, 09:09 PM

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Originally posted by FlyinHawaiin343
I actually think this is a pretty good trade for the Rangers even though its not what they need right now. Jagr is still one of the best players in the NHL and trading Carter for Jagr and half his salary is a steal for the Rags.

The Caps weren't really expecting much.. the biggest issue about the trade is Jagr's bloated contract. Salary dump for Washington. No more, no less.

TheShadow · 01-24-2004, 11:43 PM

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Originally posted by maximusveritas
Sather's just trying to save his ass by getting yet another big-name star. Problem is, he got another goalscorer when they really need help on defense and in the net. Still, they are only a couple games out of that final playoff spot, so they might sneak in.

Agreed. Except for them making the playoffs.

Also, just wanted to add that Carter will only be a good deal for the Caps if he stops being such a lazy player.

FleaCircus · 01-25-2004, 11:18 AM

Seems like the Rangers are just throwing money at another postseason to see what happens. I think they need to worry less about elite-tier talent and more about on-ice chemistry.

Maybe they should build a team from the ground up instead of the top down.

KWSN · 01-25-2004, 04:10 PM

it was a good trade for the Rangers IMHO, doesn't settle any of their needs BUT gets rid of Carter who was sucking ASS this year. He got ENDLESS chances to score and shot the puck over the god damn net. COUNTLESS times... it made me sick. A player like Jagr will help, but not a lot. Their defense is fucking crippled after losing Kasparaitis and DeVries, they definetly need something else there. They need a dependable backup too, with Dunham and Blackburn out. It was obvious how much LaBarbera and Markkanen sucked in that last game against the Senators, UGH. Terrible game. As far as deals go, the Rangers got the better end. As far as needs go, the Caps got it. Heh, maybe the Rangers can use Jagr as bait for a great defenseman. I'd always wanted to see Nik Lidstrom play for the Rangers...

Grondar · 01-25-2004, 04:26 PM

This trade had been talked about to some extent all season..

I really feel bad for Anson. He is being welcomed to a team that is about to trade away all its talent.

I think the Rangers probably should try and trade for a decent D-Man instead of more top-line offenders, but they aren't my team, so I am probably wrong.

KWSN · 01-25-2004, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Grondar
I think the Rangers probably should try and trade for a decent D-Man instead of more top-line offenders, but they aren't my team, so I am probably wrong.

They ARE my team, and you're certainly right. However, getting Jagr wasnt a bad thing, it was just the WRONG thing. What with the injuries the Rangers are goung through, Joel Bouchard and Boris Mironov aren't enough on backup. They need a proven devender besides Leetch and Malahkov, because Poti sucks, Kasparaitis is injured, and the aforementioned Bouchard and Mironov are backups at best.

dylanmarsh · 01-25-2004, 09:30 PM

Why do I get the feeling my great-grandkids will be chanting "1994" at the Rangers in 2044? God must really like Richter to save him from this sinking ship.

FlyinHawaiin343 · 01-26-2004, 04:55 PM

Bondra and Kolzig are more than likely the next to go. There are rumors that the Senators are interested in Bondra but they aren't that close to coming to a deal. The Rangers and Flyers could be interested in Kolzig but im not sure what they could trade to get him.

dylanmarsh · 01-26-2004, 06:18 PM

I'm guessing if a team wants Bondra or Kolzig, they'll have to take both players; like the Bourque trade a few years ago when the Avs had to take Andreychuk, too.

Speaking of the Avs, I would not be surprised in the least if Bondra and Kolzig went there. If the Avs offered Sauve and Skoula, the Caps would jump at it.

Should be an interesting trade-deadline, nonetheless.

Nikilidstrom · 01-26-2004, 08:35 PM

well, Jagr's goal and assist tonight in a 5-2 win over Florida (yeah, I know, its only Florida) should make you NYR fans feel better. While I don't think Jagr is th answer to the Ranger's problems, if they can get him playing consistently, it won't hurt em either. That is a big if though.

KWSN · 01-27-2004, 06:09 PM

Goal and 2 assists actually. He had a nice game. Good to see the rangers playing that way... too bad it had to be against Florida and not teams they NEED to beat (ie BOSTON)

bigbad · 01-28-2004, 02:11 AM

I laugh to see the highest paid team in the league consistently not making the playoffs while lower paid teams like Minnesota and Anaheim make it far.

silent_jay · 01-29-2004, 09:30 PM

It just proves that the salary of your team has nothing to do with winning, it's how they blend together and gel as a team which the Rangers can't do. Too many ego's to deal with too many high priced players to keep happy.

And sorry to say but when Kasparitis went down from a knee on knee collision I was so happy, it could not of happened to a more deserving player the amount of times he sticks out his knee when he tries to hit. Too bad Ulf Samuelsson couldn't come back so someone could show him what it feels like to have your knee torn apart.

ace81385 · 01-29-2004, 09:52 PM

*Sobs* its been 10 yrs since the Rangers won the cup and it doesnt look like their gonna get any closer to winning another this year. The Rangers like to throw money at over the hill players instead of building a team with good young players that are willing to learn and play hard. JAgr is not the answer .

Jephree · 01-31-2004, 10:12 AM

Good!

BigBlueWrecking · 01-31-2004, 10:44 AM

Getting Jagr for Carter is a cheap deal for the Rangers. From a pure deal, I think it is a good one. I just don't think it is what the Rangers need. The Caps are paying a lot of his salary, so I guess it is ok. Money is not a problem for the Rangers!

FIRE SATHER! The game has passed him by. That is what the real problem is.

KWSN · 02-01-2004, 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BigBlueWrecking
Getting Jagr for Carter is a cheap deal for the Rangers. From a pure deal, I think it is a good one. I just don't think it is what the Rangers need. The Caps are paying a lot of his salary, so I guess it is ok. Money is not a problem for the Rangers!

FIRE SATHER! The game has passed him by. That is what the real problem is.

so true

dylanmarsh · 02-02-2004, 05:58 AM

Fire Sather?! One of the all-time great coaches? There has to be some bit of respect of the man's past. I mean, that'd be like trading Wayne Gretzky! And we know that never happened.

BigBlueWrecking · 02-03-2004, 05:47 AM

Sather is the Phil Jackson of the NHL. He was surrounded with so much talent, he couldn't help but win. Now, the game has passed him by. He wants to have all of these scorers and nobody to play defense....except all of the good East Coast teams play defense well.

01-23-2004, 05:18 PM	#1 (permalink)
speederbike Upright	Jagr's gone! Caps trade Jagr to the Rangers for Carter, AND pay half his salary. And still I think the Caps get the better deal. Comments?

01-23-2004, 05:29 PM	#2 (permalink)
djtestudo Baltimoron Location: Beeeeeautiful Bel Air, MD	Thank God. They need to tear that team apart. __________________ "Final thought: I just rented Michael Moore's Bowling for Columbine. Frankly, it was the worst sports movie I've ever seen." --Peter Schmuck, The (Baltimore) Sun

01-23-2004, 05:32 PM	#3 (permalink)
Ace_O_Spades The Death Card Location: EH!?!?	My prediction: The Rangers still suck, and will miss the postseason again. All the talent in the world can't save that team... its like the black hole of talent, not even light can escape __________________ Feh.

01-23-2004, 05:38 PM	#4 (permalink)
silent_jay Her Jay Location: Ontario for now....	The Rangers have a great team on paper, but on the ice they blow. Jagr won't help much. Carter going the other way maybe he can start scoring goals again, but the Caps need more than Carter. __________________ Absence makes the heart grow fonder

01-24-2004, 12:30 AM	#7 (permalink)
mbchills Insane Location: NJ	grrr rangers! they do have a great time, maybe its time for a new coach? or boot camp. __________________ rawr.

01-23-2004, 06:51 PM	#5 (permalink)
maximusveritas Winner	Sather's just trying to save his ass by getting yet another big-name star. Problem is, he got another goalscorer when they really need help on defense and in the net. Still, they are only a couple games out of that final playoff spot, so they might sneak in.

01-23-2004, 11:14 PM	#6 (permalink)
BulletCatcher Crazy Location: America's Outback	The New York Rangers are the Democrat Party of the NHL. Instead of actually working to fix the problems they just continue to throw more money at it .

01-24-2004, 12:50 AM	#8 (permalink)
Ace_O_Spades The Death Card Location: EH!?!?	maybe its time to stop pampering their players and make them practice in some cold ass junior hockey rink, and have no luxuries, until they start playing like they're paid to play, and how they played before coming to NYC i think it could work __________________ Feh.

01-24-2004, 01:54 AM	#9 (permalink)
Tempboy Insane Location: The Red Mile	Any player that gets traded or signs with the NYR automatically starts to suck, and yet is paid 3x their true value.

01-24-2004, 08:24 PM	#11 (permalink)
FlyinHawaiin343 Upright	I actually think this is a pretty good trade for the Rangers even though its not what they need right now. Jagr is still one of the best players in the NHL and trading Carter for Jagr and half his salary is a steal for the Rags.

01-25-2004, 11:18 AM	#15 (permalink)
FleaCircus Insane Location: Denver, CO	Seems like the Rangers are just throwing money at another postseason to see what happens. I think they need to worry less about elite-tier talent and more about on-ice chemistry. Maybe they should build a team from the ground up instead of the top down. __________________ "We must have waffles. We must all have waffles, forthwith. Oh, we must think. We must all have waffles and think, each and every one of us to the very best of his ability." -- Professor Goldthwait Higginson Dorr, Ph.D.

01-25-2004, 04:10 PM	#16 (permalink)
KWSN green	it was a good trade for the Rangers IMHO, doesn't settle any of their needs BUT gets rid of Carter who was sucking ASS this year. He got ENDLESS chances to score and shot the puck over the god damn net. COUNTLESS times... it made me sick. A player like Jagr will help, but not a lot. Their defense is fucking crippled after losing Kasparaitis and DeVries, they definetly need something else there. They need a dependable backup too, with Dunham and Blackburn out. It was obvious how much LaBarbera and Markkanen sucked in that last game against the Senators, UGH. Terrible game. As far as deals go, the Rangers got the better end. As far as needs go, the Caps got it. Heh, maybe the Rangers can use Jagr as bait for a great defenseman. I'd always wanted to see Nik Lidstrom play for the Rangers... __________________ Your arms are broken!

01-25-2004, 04:26 PM	#17 (permalink)
Grondar Junkie Location: Pa, USA	This trade had been talked about to some extent all season.. I really feel bad for Anson. He is being welcomed to a team that is about to trade away all its talent. I think the Rangers probably should try and trade for a decent D-Man instead of more top-line offenders, but they aren't my team, so I am probably wrong. __________________ "Yes, I rather like this God fellow. He's very theatrical, you know, a pestilence here, a plague there. Omnipotence. Gotta get me some of that." -Stewie

01-25-2004, 09:30 PM	#19 (permalink)
dylanmarsh Sleepy Head	Why do I get the feeling my great-grandkids will be chanting "1994" at the Rangers in 2044? God must really like Richter to save him from this sinking ship.

01-26-2004, 04:55 PM	#20 (permalink)
FlyinHawaiin343 Upright	Bondra and Kolzig are more than likely the next to go. There are rumors that the Senators are interested in Bondra but they aren't that close to coming to a deal. The Rangers and Flyers could be interested in Kolzig but im not sure what they could trade to get him.

01-31-2004, 10:12 AM	#27 (permalink)
Jephree AKA: Boner Stabone Location: The one and only, SoCaLi	Good! __________________ When's the next good swell in SoCal?

01-26-2004, 06:18 PM	#21 (permalink)
dylanmarsh Sleepy Head	I'm guessing if a team wants Bondra or Kolzig, they'll have to take both players; like the Bourque trade a few years ago when the Avs had to take Andreychuk, too. Speaking of the Avs, I would not be surprised in the least if Bondra and Kolzig went there. If the Avs offered Sauve and Skoula, the Caps would jump at it. Should be an interesting trade-deadline, nonetheless.

01-26-2004, 08:35 PM	#22 (permalink)
Nikilidstrom Stick it in your five hole! Location: Michigan, USA	well, Jagr's goal and assist tonight in a 5-2 win over Florida (yeah, I know, its only Florida) should make you NYR fans feel better. While I don't think Jagr is th answer to the Ranger's problems, if they can get him playing consistently, it won't hurt em either. That is a big if though.

01-27-2004, 06:09 PM	#23 (permalink)
KWSN green	Goal and 2 assists actually. He had a nice game. Good to see the rangers playing that way... too bad it had to be against Florida and not teams they NEED to beat (ie BOSTON) __________________ Your arms are broken!

01-28-2004, 02:11 AM	#24 (permalink)
bigbad Insane	I laugh to see the highest paid team in the league consistently not making the playoffs while lower paid teams like Minnesota and Anaheim make it far.

01-29-2004, 09:30 PM	#25 (permalink)
silent_jay Her Jay Location: Ontario for now....	It just proves that the salary of your team has nothing to do with winning, it's how they blend together and gel as a team which the Rangers can't do. Too many ego's to deal with too many high priced players to keep happy. And sorry to say but when Kasparitis went down from a knee on knee collision I was so happy, it could not of happened to a more deserving player the amount of times he sticks out his knee when he tries to hit. Too bad Ulf Samuelsson couldn't come back so someone could show him what it feels like to have your knee torn apart. __________________ Absence makes the heart grow fonder

01-29-2004, 09:52 PM	#26 (permalink)
ace81385 Insane	Sobs its been 10 yrs since the Rangers won the cup and it doesnt look like their gonna get any closer to winning another this year. The Rangers like to throw money at over the hill players instead of building a team with good young players that are willing to learn and play hard. JAgr is not the answer .

01-31-2004, 10:44 AM	#28 (permalink)
BigBlueWrecking Psycho	Getting Jagr for Carter is a cheap deal for the Rangers. From a pure deal, I think it is a good one. I just don't think it is what the Rangers need. The Caps are paying a lot of his salary, so I guess it is ok. Money is not a problem for the Rangers! FIRE SATHER! The game has passed him by. That is what the real problem is.

02-02-2004, 05:58 AM	#30 (permalink)
dylanmarsh Sleepy Head	Fire Sather?! One of the all-time great coaches? There has to be some bit of respect of the man's past. I mean, that'd be like trading Wayne Gretzky! And we know that never happened.

02-03-2004, 05:47 AM	#31 (permalink)
BigBlueWrecking Psycho	Sather is the Phil Jackson of the NHL. He was surrounded with so much talent, he couldn't help but win. Now, the game has passed him by. He wants to have all of these scorers and nobody to play defense....except all of the good East Coast teams play defense well.