Ty Willingham : Cheap Bastard - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

The_Dude · 11-29-2003, 09:33 PM

A friend of mine just told me that Willingham called a fake punt when the irish were up by 50. To me, that's the cheapest thing a coach can do.

And the sad part is, willingham coached at stanford before comin to n.dame.

extremely cheap on his part

djtestudo · 11-29-2003, 10:25 PM

He just wanted it to fail so he could let Stanford have better field position

BigGov · 11-30-2003, 10:45 AM

Maybe the punter audibled.

RoadRage · 11-30-2003, 10:47 AM

… and Stanford couldn't stop that either.

Actually, I don't know if they stopped it or not, and since neither team is relevant at this point in the season, I don't think many are going to care.

Liquor Dealer · 11-30-2003, 04:07 PM

When was Notre Dame relevant? (to anyone other than NBC?)

SACKINGSFAN · 11-30-2003, 06:56 PM

Why is that cheap, maybe he wanted to work on it, when your up by that much why not work on werid things like that?

dragon2fire · 12-01-2003, 12:29 AM

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Originally posted by SACKINGSFAN
Why is that cheap, maybe he wanted to work on it, when your up by that much why not work on werid things like that?

its cheap because somebody *cough* the dude *cough* hates nd

TitleFight · 12-01-2003, 12:57 AM

I kinda agree with The Dude on this one. Something about principals disagrees with me. Although I haven't seen the highlights and heard it only from here, I too found it repulsive.

You work on wierd things like that in practice, plain and simple. And speaking of this topic did anyone see that shit at the end of the game against the 49ers and the Ravens? Well on 4th and goal from the 2 yard line the Ravens run with Musa Smith for a TD. Folks this was with the score 37-6 with 1:15 remaining. Read that last sentence again. Take a knee. Maybe I'm just a softie and not a fan of twisting the knife once its in the victim...

JohnnyRock · 12-01-2003, 01:08 PM

I hate them too and it was cheap--especially if you read his comments after the game!

djtestudo · 12-01-2003, 01:44 PM

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And speaking of this topic did anyone see that shit at the end of the game against the 49ers and the Ravens? Well on 4th and goal from the 2 yard line the Ravens run with Musa Smith for a TD. Folks this was with the score 37-6 with 1:15 remaining. Read that last sentence again. Take a knee. Maybe I'm just a softie and not a fan of twisting the knife once its in the victim...

One, you don't take a knee there, because it disrespects the opposing team more then a simple run play. It says, we know you suck, so we won't even try. Same with people I've heard saying we should've kicked a FG there. They ran right up the middle, which is generally the easiest play on football to stop, and they couldn't do it, so they deserved to get scored on.

Two, that game was Musa Smith's first game as part of the offense, and they wanted to give him some carries. If it was 4th and 2 from the 30 and he broke a TD run, would you have a problem with that?

The_Dude · 12-01-2003, 02:18 PM

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Originally posted by djtestudo
One, you don't take a knee there, because it disrespects the opposing team more then a simple run play. It says, we know you suck, so we won't even try. Same with people I've heard saying we should've kicked a FG there. They ran right up the middle, which is generally the easiest play on football to stop, and they couldn't do it, so they deserved to get scored on.

Two, that game was Musa Smith's first game as part of the offense, and they wanted to give him some carries. If it was 4th and 2 from the 30 and he broke a TD run, would you have a problem with that?

haha! remember oklahoma taking a knee against a&m with like 5 mts left?

BigGov · 12-01-2003, 03:03 PM

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Originally posted by The_Dude
haha! remember oklahoma taking a knee against a&m with like 5 mts left?

THAT is a mercy knee. Why? Because they could legitamately say, "look, you can't stop any single play we've done all day, and in order not to score again we're going to have to kneel."

TitleFight · 12-01-2003, 03:30 PM

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Originally posted by djtestudo
One, you don't take a knee there, because it disrespects the opposing team more then a simple run play. It says, we know you suck, so we won't even try. Same with people I've heard saying we should've kicked a FG there. They ran right up the middle, which is generally the easiest play on football to stop, and they couldn't do it, so they deserved to get scored on.

Two, that game was Musa Smith's first game as part of the offense, and they wanted to give him some carries. If it was 4th and 2 from the 30 and he broke a TD run, would you have a problem with that?

First off, watch the highlights. The run wasn't 'right up the middle". Musa bounced it to the outside and scampered in for the score. And hey, I'm all about resting Jamal and letting Musa get some carries, no doubt. But as far as your 4th and 2 from the 30 it bears no weight here. That's comparing apples and oranges my friend.

That being said I never really viewed the taking a knee as a mercy thing and more offensive, but I do see your point here. I have honestly never thought of it that way, and now that I do, it might be just as desrepectful (if not more) to take a knee in that situation. Solid point! Perhaps the only compromise in my mind is to kick the field goal like you normally would....

djtestudo · 12-01-2003, 09:05 PM

The problem is, you can't really win in that situation. If you take a knee, you embarrass the other team that much more. If you kick a FG, you are still running up the score, basically. If you run a play, and score on it, you are running up the score.

Even if Smith ran outside, if the D couldn't stop him, they deserved to be scored on like any other point in the game. I don't want it to look like I'm condoning it, I'm just making that point.

heccubusiv · 12-01-2003, 09:33 PM

It could be to show that they do have an offense. Notre Dame's offense has been awful for the past two years. This last game might finally get the offense to start clicking... at least for next year

iceman2032 · 12-01-2003, 11:44 PM

Sweet game....would have been better if both teams lost though

Artermis · 12-02-2003, 08:13 AM

I am surprised OU did not take a knee against Texas when they played this year..

I have no problem with the Raven play but the ND thing was pathetic.

Art

RoadRage · 12-02-2003, 08:48 AM

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Originally posted by Liquor Dealer
When was Notre Dame relevant? (to anyone other than NBC?)

They were BCS #9 last season. I'd say that's at least relevant.

The only mercy that should be shown in football is with basic running plays and bringing in the second- and third-string. If you can't stop those, then you deserve to have a hundred hung on you.

ReggErving · 12-02-2003, 09:04 PM

First of all, any coach that coachs a Florida team is cheap and where is the criticism of when OK scored like 77 on A &M. Maybe it wasn't the right call but this is a business and the Irish need to finish somewhat strong for recruiting purposes after being the most dissapointing team in the country this year.

Liquor Dealer · 12-03-2003, 05:27 PM

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Originally posted by dragon2fire
its cheap because somebody *cough* the dude *cough* hates nd

Probably 98% of the rest of the world agrees with the Dude! (at least on this one) Damn! Can't believe I said that.

djtestudo · 12-03-2003, 05:33 PM

I was wondering why the pigs started flying over my house...

The_Dude · 12-03-2003, 05:39 PM

it was bound to happen one of these days

essendoubleop · 12-03-2003, 09:11 PM

Why do people even care about how much they lose by and take offense to people who play the game how it's suppose to be played? Not by kneeling for the last 5 minutes to bore the hell out of the crowd. They should just play as hard as they can for the whole time. They certainly get paid enough (free education for college) to do so.

The_Dude · 12-03-2003, 09:20 PM

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Originally posted by essendoubleop
Why do people even care about how much they lose by and take offense to people who play the game how it's suppose to be played? Not by kneeling for the last 5 minutes to bore the hell out of the crowd. They should just play as hard as they can for the whole time. They certainly get paid enough (free education for college) to do so.

yes, but benching your starters mean that they have 1/2 the chance of injury.

a real bad injury = no draft.

11-29-2003, 09:33 PM	#1 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	Ty Willingham : Cheap Bastard A friend of mine just told me that Willingham called a fake punt when the irish were up by 50. To me, that's the cheapest thing a coach can do. And the sad part is, willingham coached at stanford before comin to n.dame. extremely cheap on his part __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

11-29-2003, 10:25 PM	#2 (permalink)
djtestudo Baltimoron Location: Beeeeeautiful Bel Air, MD	He just wanted it to fail so he could let Stanford have better field position __________________ "Final thought: I just rented Michael Moore's Bowling for Columbine. Frankly, it was the worst sports movie I've ever seen." --Peter Schmuck, The (Baltimore) Sun

11-30-2003, 10:45 AM	#3 (permalink)
BigGov WoW or Class... Location: UWW	Maybe the punter audibled. __________________ One day an Englishman, a Scotsman, and an Irishman walked into a pub together. They each bought a pint of Guinness. Just as they were about to enjoy their creamy beverage, three flies landed in each of their pints. The Englishman pushed his beer away in disgust. The Scotsman fished the fly out of his beer and continued drinking it, as if nothing had happened. The Irishman, too, picked the fly out of his drink but then held it out over the beer and yelled "SPIT IT OUT, SPIT IT OUT, YOU BASTARD!"

11-30-2003, 10:47 AM	#4 (permalink)
RoadRage Stay off the sidewalk! Location: Oklahoma City, OK	… and Stanford couldn't stop that either. Actually, I don't know if they stopped it or not, and since neither team is relevant at this point in the season, I don't think many are going to care. __________________ Join TFP Team SETI 43K workunits complete, 34 members, more of each needed.

11-30-2003, 04:07 PM	#5 (permalink)
Liquor Dealer Super Agitator Location: Just SW of Nowhere!!! In the good old US of A	When was Notre Dame relevant? (to anyone other than NBC?) __________________ Life isn't always a bowl of cherries, sometimes it's more like a jar of Jalapenos --- what you say or do today might burn your ass tomorrow!!!

11-30-2003, 06:56 PM	#6 (permalink)
SACKINGSFAN Tilted Location: Stockton ca	Why is that cheap, maybe he wanted to work on it, when your up by that much why not work on werid things like that? __________________ I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours

12-01-2003, 12:57 AM	#8 (permalink)
TitleFight Crazy Location: Alexandria, VA	I kinda agree with The Dude on this one. Something about principals disagrees with me. Although I haven't seen the highlights and heard it only from here, I too found it repulsive. You work on wierd things like that in practice, plain and simple. And speaking of this topic did anyone see that shit at the end of the game against the 49ers and the Ravens? Well on 4th and goal from the 2 yard line the Ravens run with Musa Smith for a TD. Folks this was with the score 37-6 with 1:15 remaining. Read that last sentence again. Take a knee. Maybe I'm just a softie and not a fan of twisting the knife once its in the victim... __________________ "The radio reminds me of my home far away....."

12-01-2003, 01:08 PM	#9 (permalink)
JohnnyRock Addict Location: Taxachussetts	I hate them too and it was cheap--especially if you read his comments after the game! __________________ Not only do I not know the answer...I don't even know what the question is!!!

12-01-2003, 09:05 PM	#14 (permalink)
djtestudo Baltimoron Location: Beeeeeautiful Bel Air, MD	The problem is, you can't really win in that situation. If you take a knee, you embarrass the other team that much more. If you kick a FG, you are still running up the score, basically. If you run a play, and score on it, you are running up the score. Even if Smith ran outside, if the D couldn't stop him, they deserved to be scored on like any other point in the game. I don't want it to look like I'm condoning it, I'm just making that point. __________________ "Final thought: I just rented Michael Moore's Bowling for Columbine. Frankly, it was the worst sports movie I've ever seen." --Peter Schmuck, The (Baltimore) Sun

12-01-2003, 09:33 PM	#15 (permalink)
heccubusiv #1 Irish Fan Location: The Burgh	It could be to show that they do have an offense. Notre Dame's offense has been awful for the past two years. This last game might finally get the offense to start clicking... at least for next year __________________ Fuck Ohio

12-01-2003, 11:44 PM	#16 (permalink)
iceman2032 Crazy	Sweet game....would have been better if both teams lost though

12-02-2003, 08:13 AM	#17 (permalink)
Artermis Insane Location: I live where all the morons live	I am surprised OU did not take a knee against Texas when they played this year.. I have no problem with the Raven play but the ND thing was pathetic. Art

12-02-2003, 09:04 PM	#19 (permalink)
ReggErving Addict	First of all, any coach that coachs a Florida team is cheap and where is the criticism of when OK scored like 77 on A &M. Maybe it wasn't the right call but this is a business and the Irish need to finish somewhat strong for recruiting purposes after being the most dissapointing team in the country this year. __________________ ...sitting on your bed with a samauri pose.

12-03-2003, 05:33 PM	#21 (permalink)
djtestudo Baltimoron Location: Beeeeeautiful Bel Air, MD	I was wondering why the pigs started flying over my house... __________________ "Final thought: I just rented Michael Moore's Bowling for Columbine. Frankly, it was the worst sports movie I've ever seen." --Peter Schmuck, The (Baltimore) Sun

12-03-2003, 05:39 PM	#22 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Location: Austin, TX	it was bound to happen one of these days __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

12-03-2003, 09:11 PM	#23 (permalink)
essendoubleop Psycho	Why do people even care about how much they lose by and take offense to people who play the game how it's suppose to be played? Not by kneeling for the last 5 minutes to bore the hell out of the crowd. They should just play as hard as they can for the whole time. They certainly get paid enough (free education for college) to do so.