Manny Ramirez placed on irrevocable waivers by the Red Sox (and offseason moves) - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

gov135 · 10-30-2003, 11:11 AM

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1650053

BOSTON -- The Boston Red Sox placed All-Star slugger Manny Ramirez on irrevocable waivers, The New York Times, the Boston Herald and the Providence Journal reported Thursday.

The move means any major league team can have Ramirez -- if it is willing to pay his salary. The outfielder has five years and $101.5 million remaining on a $160 million, eight-year contract, and would get an extra $1 million if he switches teams. He is scheduled to make $20.5 million next season.

When contacted by The Associated Press, Red Sox spokesman Kevin Shea said: "The waiver procedure is a confidential procedure, and we're prohibited from commenting on it. We're not permitted to say whether a player is on or is not on waivers."

A phone message left by the AP for Ramirez's agent, Jeff Moorad, was not immediately returned.

Under the waivers, which exist for a 48-hour period that expires Friday at 1 p.m. ET, the Red Sox would not be able to counter a claim by another team, thus losing Ramirez. In that case, the Red Sox would also not be responsible for the more than $95 million Ramirez is owed in remaining base salary, according to Providence Journal's report.

Even if another team does not claim Ramirez off the waivers, the Red Sox have essentially sent out a signal that they are willing to deal Ramirez, which could lead to future trade talks.

Ramirez hit .325 this year, one point behind teammate Bill Mueller for the AL batting title, and had 37 homers and 104 RBI. The Red Sox won the wild card and advanced to AL championship series before losing to the New York Yankees in seven games.

The Journal reported that baseball sources told the paper on Wednesday night that the Yankees would be the team most likely to claim Ramirez. In the days since the Yankees' World Series loss to the Florida Marlins, owner George Steinbrenner has taken control of the team with the apparent intention to dramatically alter the roster.

Ramirez, who moved to New York from the Dominican Republic at age 13, told ESPN's Joe Morgan in late August of his childhood dreams to play in Yankee Stadium, where he has always hit well, with the Yankees. Ramirez also told Morgan that the Yankees had expressed interest in him after the 2000 season, when he was a free agent, but signed Mike Mussina instead.

While the Yankees appear the most likely of teams to make a move for Ramirez, there are other teams in need of a power-hitting outfielder that may consider the right-handed slugger. The Journal reported that the New York Mets, the Baltimore Orioles, and, though less likely, the Anaheim Angels and Los Angeles Dodgers may show interest.

The left fielder was placed on waivers just two days after Boston announced it would not bring back manager Grady Little, who led the team to 188 regular-season wins the past two years.

Ramirez is one of baseball's best hitters, but he often struggles in the outfield and on the bases.

He was benched by Little late this season after he missed a crucial series against the Yankees with a sore throat and fever, yet managed to pull himself out of bed to reminisce with New York infielder Enrique Wilson about their days in Cleveland.

Then Ramirez didn't show up for an appointment with the team doctor, and when he joined the club the next day he sat on the bench but said he was "too weak" to pinch-hit.

And in a game at Yankee Stadium in September, the absent-minded Ramirez tossed the ball into the stands after making a nice catch, thinking there were three outs when there were only two.

According to the Journal's report, those actions by Ramirez set off internal discussions by the club to deal him this off-season, even though the Red Sox would likely have to pay much of the remaining money owed Ramirez.

If no team claims Ramirez by the deadline Friday, he will remain with the Red Sox.

Ramirez, 30, was signed as a free agent by former Boston general manager Dan Duquette in December 2000. Ramirez is scheduled to earn $20 million in 2005, $19 million in 2006, $18 million in 2007 and $20 million in 2008.

He also is due $4 million a year in deferred, no-interest salary from 2004-10, and he's still owed $10 million of his $16 million signing bonus, the Herald reported on its Web site.

Ramirez's club options for 2009 and 2010 are each worth $20 million.

In his past three seasons wtih the Red Sox, Ramirez has hit .300 each year, while hitting more than 30 homers and 100 RBI. He won the American League batting title in 2002 and has recorded 100 more RBI in eight of his nine seasons in the majors, playing for the Cleveland Indians during the first six.

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This is going to be the most interesting offseason in baseball in a decade.

Some of the names on the market are unbelievable - this is a really strong class of free agents. Add to that players like Ramirez being put on waivers and other players whose options may not be picked up.

It appears Ramirez is going somewhere - though I doubt anyone will pay him the outlandish salary he is currently receiving. Los Angeles? The Mets or Yankees? Whoever it is, gets Ramirez's considerable head problems as well.

You may be interested in this list (free-agents):
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1644909

Anyhow, would you pick up Manny Ramirez on waivers for your team? Even at a cost of over twenty million a year? With his attitude?

What does your team need to contend next year? (tigers fans need not answer this one). Who off the free agent list would you like to be signed to your team?

Averett · 10-30-2003, 11:50 AM

For the Braves:
Darren Bragg, of; Vinny Castilla, 3b; Julio Franco, 1b; Matt Franco, 1b; Roberto Hernandez, rhp; Darren Holmes, rhp; Javy Lopez, c; Greg Maddux, rhp; Kent Mercker, rhp; z-Shane Reynolds, rhp; Gary Sheffield, of.

Ack... Javy Lopez has been my favorite player since he started playing. I'll be heartbroken if he wears a different uniform next year. I still haven't gotten over the Ryan Klesko trade.

jfranco13 · 10-30-2003, 01:20 PM

damn. I don't think anyone will claim Manny, but still you've got to think the Sox would have a tough time bringing him back into the clubhouse after this.

dylanmarsh · 10-30-2003, 01:33 PM

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Originally posted by jfranco13
damn. I don't think anyone will claim Manny, but still you've got to think the Sox would have a tough time bringing him back into the clubhouse after this.

Well, you could look at it this way: perhaps the Sox did this to get Ramirez to give up part of his contract to move him. Obviously, this will effect the clubhouse in some form or another. I heard some scenario of the Sox pursuing Schilling and Spivey in Arizona if they can move Ramirez elsewhere.

My first thought with this waiver thingy was the Yankees, but then I thought about the Tigers. They need fans and they have no payroll. Could be a nice fit for them. Who knows, though.

crewsor · 10-30-2003, 03:38 PM

At 20 mil., thay can keep him. If he clears waivers and the Sox can be induced to eat a large portion of his salary, maybe.

The numbers would be nice but he's the antithisis of what you would want as far as a teammate goes. Tough call.

After what the Orioles went through with Belle, I can't imagine they would even consider Manny, but you never know.

djtestudo · 10-30-2003, 03:49 PM

The Orioles will have Vladamir Guerrero in rightfield this spring, and Rameriz will still be sulking in the Sawks' clubhouse.

Dr.Who · 10-30-2003, 06:40 PM

Why take him when you can have Guerrero for the same price??

Boston are stuck with him, too bad for them.

HeyAgain · 10-30-2003, 06:42 PM

In my mind, if the Yankees claim Manny Ramirez, they won't have enough resources financially to go after Vladimir Guerrero so this would give the Red Sox an advantage in signing a player who is 4 years younger and better defensively.

MikeyChalupa · 10-31-2003, 08:28 AM

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Originally posted by HeyAgain
In my mind, if the Yankees claim Manny Ramirez, they won't have enough resources financially to go after Vladimir Guerrero so this would give the Red Sox an advantage in signing a player who is 4 years younger and better defensively.

Not only that, but then the Yankees probably wouldn't re-sign Pettitte. Imagine if the Yankees sign Ramirez. The Astros trade Wagner to the Sox, who would now have a legitimate, lights-out closer, the $$ to pay Wagner AND go after Vlad. Meanwhile, Pettitte, who is looking to go to a Texas team if he doesn't stay with the Yankees, signs with Houston, who now can afford him.

The Sox and Astros benefit greatly, while the Yankees are left with a huge question mark in Ramirez and his huge salary, and no Pettitte.

Well it's a moot point, as the Yankees said theyre not interested.

-Mikey

Hrothgar · 11-01-2003, 04:28 PM

This is good news in the sense that baseball salaries won't continue to skyrocket to absurdity and primadonnas like Manny realize that sometimes character and durability are more important than ability.

10-30-2003, 11:11 AM	#1 (permalink)
gov135 Junkie Location: Midwest	Manny Ramirez placed on irrevocable waivers by the Red Sox (and offseason moves) http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1650053 BOSTON -- The Boston Red Sox placed All-Star slugger Manny Ramirez on irrevocable waivers, The New York Times, the Boston Herald and the Providence Journal reported Thursday. The move means any major league team can have Ramirez -- if it is willing to pay his salary. The outfielder has five years and $101.5 million remaining on a $160 million, eight-year contract, and would get an extra $1 million if he switches teams. He is scheduled to make $20.5 million next season. When contacted by The Associated Press, Red Sox spokesman Kevin Shea said: "The waiver procedure is a confidential procedure, and we're prohibited from commenting on it. We're not permitted to say whether a player is on or is not on waivers." A phone message left by the AP for Ramirez's agent, Jeff Moorad, was not immediately returned. Under the waivers, which exist for a 48-hour period that expires Friday at 1 p.m. ET, the Red Sox would not be able to counter a claim by another team, thus losing Ramirez. In that case, the Red Sox would also not be responsible for the more than $95 million Ramirez is owed in remaining base salary, according to Providence Journal's report. Even if another team does not claim Ramirez off the waivers, the Red Sox have essentially sent out a signal that they are willing to deal Ramirez, which could lead to future trade talks. Ramirez hit .325 this year, one point behind teammate Bill Mueller for the AL batting title, and had 37 homers and 104 RBI. The Red Sox won the wild card and advanced to AL championship series before losing to the New York Yankees in seven games. The Journal reported that baseball sources told the paper on Wednesday night that the Yankees would be the team most likely to claim Ramirez. In the days since the Yankees' World Series loss to the Florida Marlins, owner George Steinbrenner has taken control of the team with the apparent intention to dramatically alter the roster. Ramirez, who moved to New York from the Dominican Republic at age 13, told ESPN's Joe Morgan in late August of his childhood dreams to play in Yankee Stadium, where he has always hit well, with the Yankees. Ramirez also told Morgan that the Yankees had expressed interest in him after the 2000 season, when he was a free agent, but signed Mike Mussina instead. While the Yankees appear the most likely of teams to make a move for Ramirez, there are other teams in need of a power-hitting outfielder that may consider the right-handed slugger. The Journal reported that the New York Mets, the Baltimore Orioles, and, though less likely, the Anaheim Angels and Los Angeles Dodgers may show interest. The left fielder was placed on waivers just two days after Boston announced it would not bring back manager Grady Little, who led the team to 188 regular-season wins the past two years. Ramirez is one of baseball's best hitters, but he often struggles in the outfield and on the bases. He was benched by Little late this season after he missed a crucial series against the Yankees with a sore throat and fever, yet managed to pull himself out of bed to reminisce with New York infielder Enrique Wilson about their days in Cleveland. Then Ramirez didn't show up for an appointment with the team doctor, and when he joined the club the next day he sat on the bench but said he was "too weak" to pinch-hit. And in a game at Yankee Stadium in September, the absent-minded Ramirez tossed the ball into the stands after making a nice catch, thinking there were three outs when there were only two. According to the Journal's report, those actions by Ramirez set off internal discussions by the club to deal him this off-season, even though the Red Sox would likely have to pay much of the remaining money owed Ramirez. If no team claims Ramirez by the deadline Friday, he will remain with the Red Sox. Ramirez, 30, was signed as a free agent by former Boston general manager Dan Duquette in December 2000. Ramirez is scheduled to earn $20 million in 2005, $19 million in 2006, $18 million in 2007 and $20 million in 2008. He also is due $4 million a year in deferred, no-interest salary from 2004-10, and he's still owed $10 million of his $16 million signing bonus, the Herald reported on its Web site. Ramirez's club options for 2009 and 2010 are each worth $20 million. In his past three seasons wtih the Red Sox, Ramirez has hit .300 each year, while hitting more than 30 homers and 100 RBI. He won the American League batting title in 2002 and has recorded 100 more RBI in eight of his nine seasons in the majors, playing for the Cleveland Indians during the first six. ____________________________________________________ This is going to be the most interesting offseason in baseball in a decade. Some of the names on the market are unbelievable - this is a really strong class of free agents. Add to that players like Ramirez being put on waivers and other players whose options may not be picked up. It appears Ramirez is going somewhere - though I doubt anyone will pay him the outlandish salary he is currently receiving. Los Angeles? The Mets or Yankees? Whoever it is, gets Ramirez's considerable head problems as well. You may be interested in this list (free-agents): http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1644909 Anyhow, would you pick up Manny Ramirez on waivers for your team? Even at a cost of over twenty million a year? With his attitude? What does your team need to contend next year? (tigers fans need not answer this one). Who off the free agent list would you like to be signed to your team?

10-30-2003, 11:50 AM	#2 (permalink)
Averett Is In Love Location: I'm workin' on it	For the Braves: Darren Bragg, of; Vinny Castilla, 3b; Julio Franco, 1b; Matt Franco, 1b; Roberto Hernandez, rhp; Darren Holmes, rhp; Javy Lopez, c; Greg Maddux, rhp; Kent Mercker, rhp; z-Shane Reynolds, rhp; Gary Sheffield, of. Ack... Javy Lopez has been my favorite player since he started playing. I'll be heartbroken if he wears a different uniform next year. I still haven't gotten over the Ryan Klesko trade. __________________ Absence is to love what wind is to fire. It extinguishes the small, it enkindles the great.

10-30-2003, 01:20 PM	#3 (permalink)
jfranco13 Crazy Location: Pittsburgh, PA	damn. I don't think anyone will claim Manny, but still you've got to think the Sox would have a tough time bringing him back into the clubhouse after this. __________________ We may lose, and we may win, but we will never be here again.

10-30-2003, 03:38 PM	#5 (permalink)
crewsor Women want me. Men fear me. Location: Maryland,USA	At 20 mil., thay can keep him. If he clears waivers and the Sox can be induced to eat a large portion of his salary, maybe. The numbers would be nice but he's the antithisis of what you would want as far as a teammate goes. Tough call. After what the Orioles went through with Belle, I can't imagine they would even consider Manny, but you never know. __________________ We all have wings, some of us just don't know why.

10-30-2003, 03:49 PM	#6 (permalink)
djtestudo Baltimoron Location: Beeeeeautiful Bel Air, MD	The Orioles will have Vladamir Guerrero in rightfield this spring, and Rameriz will still be sulking in the Sawks' clubhouse. __________________ "Final thought: I just rented Michael Moore's Bowling for Columbine. Frankly, it was the worst sports movie I've ever seen." --Peter Schmuck, The (Baltimore) Sun

10-30-2003, 06:40 PM	#7 (permalink)
Dr.Who Insane Location: Part Unknow	Why take him when you can have Guerrero for the same price?? Boston are stuck with him, too bad for them.

10-30-2003, 06:42 PM	#8 (permalink)
HeyAgain Psycho	In my mind, if the Yankees claim Manny Ramirez, they won't have enough resources financially to go after Vladimir Guerrero so this would give the Red Sox an advantage in signing a player who is 4 years younger and better defensively.

11-01-2003, 04:28 PM	#10 (permalink)
Hrothgar He's My Girl Location: The Champagne Douche	This is good news in the sense that baseball salaries won't continue to skyrocket to absurdity and primadonnas like Manny realize that sometimes character and durability are more important than ability. __________________ The fortunes of war favored Hrothgar.