BuddyHawks

I missed the game and heard there was a fight ,and I want to know what happened.
Is there a place online where you can see sports replays/highlights?
And for that matter, a way to see the whole game after the fact? A vault of some sort?

Anyways, so what was up with the brawl?

apetaster

No brawl. What happened was Pedro hit Karim Garcia with a beanball in the back. Tension ensued. Pedro exchanged words with the Yankee dugout, especially Don Zimmer (old guy) and Jorge Posada. Pedro imtimated to the Yankee dugout that he'd happily throw more beanballs.

Bottom half of the inning, Clemens throws high and slightly inside (still over the plate) to Manny Ramirez (not chin music, just high and barely inside) and Manny lips off to Clemens. Benches clear.

All of a sudden 72 year old Zimmer runs at Pedro, who came off the bench with a left handed swat - Pedro pushes Zimmer down to the ground with a sidestep of some sort. Zimmer is dazed and down to the ground for a few. He gets up and gets a BandAid. Play resumes.

Then late in the game (9th inning?) a Sox groundscrew member somehow got into the Yankees bullpen and mixes it up with shitty reliever Jeff Weaver - somehow the cops got involved, Karim Garcia hurts his left fist...don't know.

Good baseball, bot a totally fucked up game that won't help Boston/NY relations.

I was at game 1 in NY (drove down from Boston) and saw the Bald Eagle give Jeter the flyby while F-14s flew overhead. Really bizarre series.


As for the replay - watch sportscenter - nobody else is likely to have express written consent...

crewsor

What happened was two classless teams were battling to see who could be the biggest disgrace to the sport of baseball. Its a shame they can't both lose this series.

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salsa2

You sound bitter. Just how did the Yanks disgrace baseball this time?
BTW - Pedro didnt just hit him in the back , it was the back of the head. and he didnt side step Zimmer and push him to the ground. He grabbed him by the head and shoved him down. How Pedro didnt get tossed for his antics tonight, I'll never know. Telling guys he is going to hit them in the head is crazy.

BuddyHawks

Bah, I say it was good for them. One of the oldest rivalries of all time, this might put some more fierceness into the rest of the series. It's baseball.

Batman976

He did hit him in the back. He got hit on the shoulder. And I would have pushed Zimmer away if he was charging at me like that too.

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crewsor

Yeah, you're right. It 's probably a good idea to have the coaches charge the mound at least once during each game.

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crewsor

Right, it's baseball, not hockey or boxing or ultimate fighting championships. Whatever happened to setting an example for kids watching Americas sport. Is it a good idea for them to see pros acting like idiots, throwing at each others heads and coaches charging the mound?

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salsa2

Manny caused all of that. The ptich was nowhere near him. If it was a little lower it would have been a strike. The benches cleared. You make it sound like Zimmer ran out by himself.
You still sound bitter.

crewsor

Clemens threw at him obviously, but I'm not blaming only the Yanks. Pedro was wrong, Clemens was wrong, Zimmer was really wrong. But its whats people expect and usually get with both these teams. Whats wrong with a little respect and professionalism? Is baseball really about headhunting and brawling? Maybe its just me, but I find games like this ugly.

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Mr. Spacemonkey

I don't watch that much baseball but i happened to see that game tonight. My God, Pedro is such an asshole. First he fucking throws the baseball Karim Garcia's head (which had to be on purpose seeing as he is supposedly like the best pitcher in baseball) and then he throws a 72 year old man to the ground. I have absolutely no respect for him.

And also, if you ask me, Manny Ramirez was just looking for something to fight about seeing as that pitch was no way even near him.

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Mr. Spacemonkey

He certainly would have got hit in the back of the head had he not ducked.

Also, Zimmer had good reason to be pissed a Pedro. After all, didn't Zimmer have to get a metal plate put in his head because he was a hit by a ball in the head? Pedro deserves to get his ass kicked if you ask me.

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JoeyB

Nobody comes out of this clean. Pedro could have controlled all of this if he would have just got back on the mound and did his job instead of taunting the Yankees bench and constantly pointing at his head.

Garcia could have controlled the situation by going in to second base like a professional instead of trying to kill Walker.

Zimmer is completely wrong for going after Pedro later. Manny showed his lack of composure by getting upset at a pitch that was clearly over the plate.

How is that Clemens showed the most maturity?? That's probably the most amazing part. He kept his cool, did his job and New York won the game because of it.

Jeff Nelson has always been a hothead, so I wouldn't be surprised if he jumped the Boston employee. At some point, a person has to take responsibility for his own actions and act better than the situation. Someone waves a flag in your face, so it has to lead to a fight? Is this Junior High???

The umpires will set the tone early in Game 4.

You get paid like professionals, gentlemen. Act like it.

Pedro is one of the greatest pitchers of this generation, but he's not going to get the recognition he deserves if he continues to act like a 12 year old.

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Sion

this coming from a fan of one of the most classless bunch of thugs in the entire NFL...the cRavens.

oh the irony.

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Associated Press
BOSTON -- Boston police are investigating a fight between two Yankees and a Fenway Park worker who was cheering for the Red Sox in the New York bullpen during the AL championship series Saturday night.


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Police spokeswoman Mariellen Burns said assault charges could be filed against the two players, but she backed off earlier police statements that charges will be filed.

"Summons may be issued," she said, "but we're looking for more detailed information before that happens."

Red Sox spokesman Charles Steinberg said Paul Williams, who works for the grounds crew, contended Jeff Nelson and Karim Garcia attacked him.

"The Red Sox are terribly concerned and distressed about the attack on our employee tonight," he said.

The Yankees denied the players were to blame.

"A security incident like this would never be tolerated at Yankee Stadium," president Randy Levine told The Associated Press. "Unfortunately, there was an atmosphere of lawlessness that was allowed to be perpetrated all day long. The events of the entire day were disgraceful and shameful, and if it happened at our ballpark, we would apologize, and that's what the Red Sox should do here."

With tempers already high following a bench-clearing melee earlier in the game, Nelson was annoyed that Williams was cheering for the Red Sox while he was in the New York bullpen, and he told Williams so.

"He was standing in our bullpen waving the rally flag," the reliever said, following New York's 4-3 win over the Sox in Game 3 of the AL championship series. "I told him, 'If you're rooting for the Red Sox, why don't you go in their bullpen.' He jumped in my face and tried to take a swing at me."

Williams acknowledged pumping his fist twice while holding a white towel after the Red Sox turned a double play in the ninth inning, Steinberg said.

"If that was in poor taste, or poor judgment, it certainly didn't warrant a beating," Steinberg said.

Williams had cleat marks on his back and his arm, and he may have been kicked in the mouth, Steinberg said.

Williams was taken to Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, and hospital spokeswoman Bonnie Prescott said Williams was discharged early Sunday after undergoing tests in the emergency room. She released no details on any injuries.

The Red Sox also said that two police officers in the bullpen backed Williams' story.

After Nelson confronted Williams, several Yankees surrounded him. Garcia, the right fielder, jumped over the fence and hurt his left hand. He was removed from the game before the bottom of the ninth and was taken to the training room with the hand wrapped.

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More to be proud of.

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crewsor

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but I don't think the Ravens are classless, and you can't really compare a sport which is violent by design(football) with baseball. So I don't get your point except to say you don't care for the Ravens which is no surprise.

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gov135

Unprecendented ratings....
Great matchups....
A true showcase for baseball....

And this crap happens. This is the kinda stuff that dominates highlight shows, talk shows instead of the actual game itself. This is a disservice to baseball.

This incident began with Pedro. He blew a lead, didn't have his stuff, and he knew it. Pedro obviously crossed the line with his idiot gestures. At the time he started running his mouth, he should have been yanked by Grady Little. Pedro knew at that time he couldn't beat the Yankees with his arm.

BigBlueWrecking

Yeah, Ray Lewis is a stnd up guy. He either killed someone or knew who did and did not talk...he is a thug.

The Red Sox are as classless as they come. Pedro is a bum. He always hits people and acts all tough. I would charge the mound, bring the bat with me, and beat that whiny little bitch to a bloody pulp.

Zimmer was wrong, I will admit that.

If Clemes waws throwing at Manny, he would be in the hospital right now ala Mike Piazza. His a thug too. I hate the Red Sox. They are the antichrist.

jhericurl21

Can someone link me to a video of the fight?

crewsor

Just watch the game thats on tonight(7:30). Most likely there will be a replay. WTF. No game?

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djtestudo

Postponed

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BigDonkey2

i think manny had no reason to talk shit to clemens....i think he was looking for an excuse and that pitch gave him one

Glad-I-Ate-Her

Ramirez was scared when he went to bat against Clemens. ESPN Sports Center isolated Ramirez's at bat. He flinched going back when the first 3 pitches were on the outside. He thought that he was going to get hit. Then the high fast ball went over the plate and he freaked out. He went out to the mound with bat in his hand.

I have absolutely no respect for Pedro Martinez. He has always been a punk and a cry baby. He was getting bombed and showed what he is really made of. You can throw inside and straighten up a batter but you never aim for the head. That is totally uncalled for. Also he should have been ejected for taunting the Yankee bench by motioning to his head meaning that he was going to hit someone in the head.

Pedro should have not body slammed Zimmer. He put both hands behind Zimmer's head and slammed him. When that happened he backed up toward the his dugout knowing that he did something totally wrong. Boston's number 34 (I don't know who it is) was walking toward Pedro and motioning with his hands "what have you done?". He has no class. A 31 year old doing that to a 72 year old. Disgraceful.

Zimmer was wrong for what he did and apoligized to both teams, both teammates and to both cities. He was on the verge of crying when he made this statement. John Henry in a quote said that he accepted the apologies and that he expected someone from his side to do the same.

Pedro, Ramirez, Karim Garcia and Zimmer have been fined by the league. I think Pedro should have not only been fined but also suspended.

I find it hard to believe that Clemens actually kept his composure after all this mess.

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onetime2

Umm no and No. Zimmer came out swinging. Pedro grabbed him on either side of the head to hold him away from him while also stepping out of the way of his advance. Zimmer fell on his own face because Martinez was no longer there to hold him up.

Funny how Zimmer doesn't get pissed off when Clemens throws at someone.

djtestudo

I think that ANYONE that complains about Pedro and says nothing about Clemens doing the same needs not ever try to be knowledgable about baseball again.

Pedro was wrong. Manny was wrong. Zimmer was wrong. Jeff Nelson will be lucky to make it out of the bullpen alive next game.

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onetime2

Bombed? What game did you watch? It was a close game and the way both teams play and pitch it could easily have gone either way.

Body slammed him? Please, not even close. Zimmer expected Martinez to stay right where he was and let himself get hit. Zimmer was flailing around and was off balance. Didn't even look like he was watching where he was going.

Clemens only kept his composure because he knew he'd be thrown out instantly and he was warned by coaches and umps alike.

Peetster

It was an emotional game. There were some emotional responses. Police have filed charges on the two Yankees that jumped the Fenway Park employee who had the questionable discretion to root for the Sox from the Yankee's bullpen. Pedro is a headhunter, and his actions proved his reputation.

However, as Rogue pointed out, we don't need to revert to that type of behavior here. It is not tolerated.

jcookc6

There is a good clip on WWW.Boston.com on the front page, just go down to where it says "exclusive clip of Zimmer-Pedro Fight".
Also, Bill"Spaceman"Lee a pitcher for Zimmer when he managed the Sox, said he was impressed by Pedro's ability to grab a bowling ball so quickly and throw it to the ground. He also said he was surprised Zimmer didn't bounce because he is filled with helium. Lee's best quote was in his book, he said: "Zimmer always hated pitchers, because he never could hit them."

reconmike

Pedro wasnt getting shelled, if you watched the same game i was he was throwing junk, curves and change-ups to save himself for later innings.

Did you notice that when he started throwing the cheese later on the stankees did squat.

Zimmer deserved to be flung, he is lucky pedro didnt cold cock his old ass.

And head hunting, Clemens leads history in the art.

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wrongfullyaccuzd

i love this rivalry. it's settled in the box score AND otherwise! as long as no one gets hurt from the fighting...it's good baseball.

ToiletDuck

Good baseball consists of watching over-paid men act like hoodlums? Meanwhile little 10 year old jhonny sits at home asking daddy why his hero is swinging his fists at ppl?

Yeah, good baseball

shaq=ignorance

I agree that when you throw for the head, it is classless, that is why Clemens will not be missed when he retires. Yes, I know Clemens did not throw at Manny’s head, but he has made his living by brushing guys off the plate w/ chin/nose music. That is not the point that I am trying to make though. No matter how poorly Pedro behaved, and I am not justifying his behavior, he has every right to protect himself when someone is attacking him. In the heat of battle, or when someone is charging you, even though I have never had a 70 something man charge after me, you have to defend yourself. It is not as if Pedro threw him down and started kicking him, he just defused the situation by pushing his attacker down. If any fault should be given, it has to be pinned on Zimmer. Maybe his handlers should have his testosterone shots scaled down, he also needs to be reminded that he is a senior citizen, and should act with some integrity.

salsa2

Zimmer was wrong for charging Pedro, but Pedro should have handled it ALOT better. It doesnt take much to avoid a 70 year old with a plate in his head and 2 bad hips. There was no need to throw him to the ground like that.

- There is a difference between Pedro and Clemens. I have never seen Clemens yell and point into the other dugout and tell them to watch out for a bean ball in the head. He should have been immediately ejected. BUT, I also dont think there is anything wrong with pitching up and in. Todays players are babies as far as that goes. Everyone needs to lighten up. Big deal, a guy comes in on you. Get over it. The problem is Pedro is a ass about it.

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I couldn't help but notice that Zimmer is the only one of this whole crowd that apologized. Also, the Red Sox held a press conference after Selig asked everyone to refrain from making public comment due to pending investigations....

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shaq=ignorance

Pedro however sticks to throwing baseballs at players, unlike Clemens who enjoys lofting broken bats back at the batters box.

Glad-I-Ate-Her

That's because Zim has dignity and respect. John Henry, the owner of the Boston Red Soxes said that he accepts the apology from Zim and the he had hoped that some on his team would do the same. We all know who he was talking about.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by onetime2
[B] Bombed? What game did you watch? It was a close game and the way both teams play and pitch it could easily have gone either way.

Here is an opinion from Sports Illustrated's John Donovan about Pedro Martinez turning punk.

BOSTON -- Pedro Martinez was getting knocked around.

He gave up back-to-back shots to the outfield. He lost the early lead that his teammates had worked to get him. He was losing. He wanted it to stop. He wanted the Yankees to quit teeing off on his pitches.

So Pedro did what Pedro sometimes does. He turned punk.

One of the most dominating pitchers of a generation did what many power pitchers -- including his counterpart Saturday -- have done forever. He tried to intimidate, in the worst of ways. And that's just how it worked out.

"You can expect someone to move you off the plate," said the New York Yankees' Karim Garcia, the object of Pedro's punkdom. "But don't throw at my head."

Game 3 of the ALCS between the Yankees and Red Sox was everything everyone expected it to be, for all the wrong reasons. It was a wonderful pitching duel that will be remembered for a couple of bad pitches. It was a taut thriller that turned into a tragicomedy.

It was, in ways both good and bad, a typical Yankees-Red Sox game -- just more so.

"When I told y'all the other day it was going to be festive," said Yankees starter Roger Clemens, "I didn't know it was going to be this festive."

This game -- this critical, could-be series-changing game -- was almost too bizarre to believe. Yankees shortstop Derek Jeter became the first right-handed hitter to homer off Martinez this season. Boston right fielder Trot Nixon stole a home run from Jeter later with a leaping grab over the right-field wall.

Red Sox reliever Mike Timlin was nothing short of perfect. Yankees closer Mariano Rivera was the same.

But that's maybe the first and last you'll hear of all that. Instead, the game was highlighted, or lowlighted, by a series of screams and insults and curses and threatening gestures and punches and outright stupidness that all started with Martinez's patently stupid pitch.

It was a throw that inflamed everyone. And it could end up sending the Red Sox's season down in flames.

"I think it was very unprofessional," Yankees pitching coach Mel Stottlemyre said. "When you're getting your butt kicked, sometimes you have to take it the best you can."

Said Yankees first baseman Jason Giambi: "That pitch just didn't get away."

No, right after the Yankees' Hideki Matsui knocked a run-scoring, one-hop double into the stands in right, Martinez gave in to his inner punkiness. With first base open, he decided to take his frustrations out on Garcia, buzzing him near the back of the head with a fastball.

Martinez is a lot of things. No. 1, he's maybe the best right-hander in baseball. Certainly the best in the AL. He's gutsy, fearless and smart. He can be funny. He's proud. He's strong.

But he's also amazingly childish at times. He can be unbelievably petty. And, almost always, he is enormously pigheaded.

At a moment that called for utter cool, maybe a strikeout from a guy who led the league in strikeouts, Martinez's pitch to Garcia was anything but cool. The enraged Yankees scored their next run -- it turned out to be the winning one -- when the next batter grounded into a double play.

But the pitch also got the Red Sox worked up, probably too much. Clemens threw a high fastball to Manny Ramirez the next half-inning -- a fastball that even the Red Sox say was not close -- and Ramirez erupted. The benches emptied again. Ignorance reigned.

Don Zimmer, the 72-year-old bench coach for the Yankees, rushed to the other side of the field to take a swing at Martinez, who sidestepped the septuagenarian and pushed him to the ground. Things got even uglier later.

In the ninth, a member of the Red Sox grounds crew got into a fight with Yankees reliever Jeff Nelson in the right-field bullpen. When Garcia jumped the fence to join in, he cut his hand, either on the fence or throwing a punch. He had to leave the game.

You want irony? Try this on: Martinez's boneheaded beanball ended up making Clemens look good. Clemens, who has thrown more beanballs than any pitcher of his era, collected himself enough to get the win.

You want unintentional comedy? "Just because you are getting whipped," Clemens said, "you don't hit behind somebody's neck."

Somewhere, Mike Piazza is standing slack-jawed trying to digest that comment.

In the end, the Yankees got the win and beat Boston's best pitcher to do it. They reclaimed home-field advantage. They put the Red Sox on the defensive. They took control, however briefly.

But this game will be remembered for high emotions and low blows. We'll remember Ramirez's rage, and Zimmer face down on the ground. The fight in the bullpen.

And that one pitch from Martinez.

"Great theater," Clemens said. "Whatever you want to call it."


John Donovan is a senior writer for SI.com.

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crewsor

Best quote of that report has to be Clemens... "Just because you are getting whipped," Clemens said, "you don't hit behind somebody's neck."

Somewhere, Mike Piazza is standing slack-jawed trying to digest that comment.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Glad-I-Ate-Her
[B]Teeing off? Please. They got a couple of hits. Nothing earth shattering as proven by his later performance. It was a close game and could have gone either way. Bombed, shelled, teeing off makes it sound like it was a 12 to zip game. Nowhere near.